AAS induced stroke?

[poantrex]

You cant go around blaming steroids for all your problems. We hear enough of that from the media.

Thank you, finally you made a post without insulting someone or calling people names. Please continue with that.

The point is that AAS has the -potential- to cause many health problems if not used carefully. High RBC, liver tumors, high blood pressure (and the problems that it can bring), screwed lipid profiles (and the problems that can bring) are all very real problems that can be caused by AAS. Now, I would think that most people here are educated enough to know what to watch for, but I know many, many guys that ran year round without being careful, and now their health is fucked. And no, it wasn't due to genetic predisposition or anything like that...these guys all lived the bodybuilding lifestyle and ate clean all the time.

 

[unclebully]

You cant go around blaming steroids for all your problems. We hear enough of that from the media.

You are fucking retarded go away and play with your crayons.

 

[thelegacy again]

if there is no family history then more than likely yes

 

[LoneTree]

Stroke happens either from a blood clot (most) or bleeding.
I have seen so many posts here with people having HDL of teens during their cycle.
If 3 months during every year your HDL is like that for several years, it will make a significant difference.
Testosterone causes significant salt retention. Any condition that does that will increase blood pressure in some people.
I am myself using AAS. So I am not against using AAS.
But you cannot put your head in the sand and deny all the risks.
You have to know the risks and manage them so that you don't get bad health cosequences. Those who don't take precautions, will pay the price.

 

[poantrex]

Stroke happens either from a blood clot (most) or bleeding.
I have seen so many posts here with people having HDL of teens during their cycle.
If 3 months during every year your HDL is like that for several years, it will make a significant difference.
Testosterone causes significant salt retention. Any condition that does that will increase blood pressure in some people.
I am myself using AAS. So I am not against using AAS.
But you cannot put your head in the sand and deny all the risks.
You have to know the risks and manage them so that you don't get bad health cosequences. Those who don't take precautions, will pay the price.

Yeah, exactly. I've read of more than one poster here using all sorts of cholesterol and blood pressure meds, after their years of juicing. In addition to HRT. I don't want to be in that type of position, myself.

 

[yomama]

Yeah, exactly. I've read of more than one poster here using all sorts of cholesterol and blood pressure meds, after their years of juicing. In addition to HRT. I don't want to be in that type of position, myself.

My cholesterol was fucked before I even started using steroids. I used to eat two buckets of ice cream per week. McDonalds was my favorite, so was whole eggs. So, if I was to have a heart attack, would I blame it on steroids down the road? or my eating habits?!

Thank you, finally you made a post without insulting someone or calling people names. Please continue with that.

The point is that AAS has the -potential- to cause many health problems if not used carefully. High RBC, liver tumors, high blood pressure (and the problems that it can bring), screwed lipid profiles (and the problems that can bring) are all very real problems that can be caused by AAS. Now, I would think that most people here are educated enough to know what to watch for, but I know many, many guys that ran year round without being careful, and now their health is fucked. And no, it wasn't due to genetic predisposition or anything like that...these guys all lived the bodybuilding lifestyle and ate clean all the time.

Not all bodybuilders eat clean, there are plenty out there that dont know what they are doing, plenty out there that never get tested in a clinic. Plenty that dont know the side effects of long term use. Those are the ones that get in trouble.

Steroids affect blood clotting factors, they affect blood pressure.
Put it this way they definatly didn't help.

A lot of these new guys need to get real about the possibilty of problems from AAS.

I know 2 guys who have had serious health problems who used AAS and one who died.
The one who died was in pumping iron.
I personally suffered a hematoma a couple of hours after having a surgery and have had prostate problems (im 25).

Numbnuts, you have no idea what you're talking about. You should consider a career at MSNBC, I bet they would hire an idiot like you.

 

[poantrex]

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[NRF]

I see the cholesterol debate is still raging on.

To further combat any chance of your arteries becoming filled dwith plaque, and increasing your BP i.e. (Same amount of blood mass, but less space for it to go through..therefore arteries expand, and therefore so does pressure to a degree. Depends on the size of your plaque deposits.), is to take Green Tea.

With low HDL, your ability to break up that everyday plaque is comproised, and LDL cholesterol oxidizes again, and again.

Green Tea prevents LDL from oxidizing to form plaque in the arteries to a point, so it would definitaly be a critical supplement to take if you're on AAS that make your HDL go below 20.

While I agree that long-term high BP is VERY problematic, and dangerous. I don't think AAS induce stroke directly. Indirectly, with other factors (Like already mentioned diet), it can IMO cause a stroke. But directly? No.

Only EPO can give you a heart attack. Not even Anadrol is potent enough to raise your Hematocrit over 60. Only EPO is.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

right i read about half the responses and saw a bunch of flames, and arguments for nothing

AAS can cause stroke via a few modes, as described by some people here. atherosclerosis is one of the mechanisms, because despite what has been said in this thread, AAS WILL affect blood lipid profiles, and therefore affect atherosclerosis. AAS will also alter electrolyte levels, which, depending on what is happening to blood volume and blood movement at the time, may indeed precipitate a stroke via a blowout (ie high blood pressure leading to a bleed in the brain) OR may concentrate/stagnate clotting factors sufficiently to cause a blood clot, which may lodge in the brain and hence cause a stroke. furthermore, the change in red blood cell numbers will play a role, in regards to blood viscocity, and decreased clotting threshold (meaning you get clots more easily).

on the other hand, a clotting disorder can certainly cause a stroke, through the production of a blood clot somewhere or other that ends up in the brain. no worries, this can happen easily.

as for the cause of this guys particular stroke, well, no one will know unless they invent a time machine, and some sort of total body blood clot or bleed detector at the precise moment the patient developed the abnormality that precipitated teh stroke.

so STFU already. both will do it with ease, ad for those talking about doses etc of steroids that will do it, ANY AAS will affect at least one of the factors i have spoken about, and therefore highten stroke risk. you can use ANY steroid you want, and the increase in muscle volumre etc, at some point, will change body vasculature and peripheral resistance to blood movement, and will therefore affect blood stagnation and the concentrating of clotting factors, thereby increasing risk of a clot.

so quit with the flames already

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I see the cholesterol debate is still raging on.

To further combat any chance of your arteries becoming filled dwith plaque, and increasing your BP i.e. (Same amount of blood mass, but less space for it to go through..therefore arteries expand, and therefore so does pressure to a degree. Depends on the size of your plaque deposits.), is to take Green Tea.

With low HDL, your ability to break up that everyday plaque is comproised, and LDL cholesterol oxidizes again, and again.

Green Tea prevents LDL from oxidizing to form plaque in the arteries to a point, so it would definitaly be a critical supplement to take if you're on AAS that make your HDL go below 20.

While I agree that long-term high BP is VERY problematic, and dangerous. I don't think AAS induce stroke directly. Indirectly, with other factors (Like already mentioned diet), it can IMO cause a stroke. But directly? No.

Only EPO can give you a heart attack. Not even Anadrol is potent enough to raise your Hematocrit over 60. Only EPO is.

fonz, fuck off already you fucking idiot. someone do me a favour and ban this dickhead. again.

so much for the no flames