AAS induced stroke?

[Mo T 4 Me]

Doesn't nolvadex increase the risk of having strokes for females? Is is the same thing for males?

 

[HGH man]

Sorry I got here when I did cause I had a stroke (ICH) in Dec 98 because of stress and high BP I weighted 160#. I had done steroids once but that was when I was in H.S. I had lost control of my right side and speech too. I had worked out most of my life but it was off and on at best. My BP was being treated by my Dr. who is a endo that I see for a pituitary tumor (had since 86 but is a daed tumor according to him). At 1 time it was 190/110 that was before anything was done .It is now 135/72 and stays about there. About 3 years ago I decided to try some steroids to get the right side of my body even with the left. I did D-bol,EQ,Deca,Anavar,Test En, at different times,not altogether. I look more proportionate now and symetrical. The stroke has not fully left me but for almost 5 years I've been working out and trying to get my life back. It's tough. My cholesteral is 130 from a test I just had done in Dec. It was always lower ,that's why I never thought I'd have a stroke,but I did anyways.I feel that strokes are genetic because my father had 1 after me.He is about 79 and never had 1 before.No one in my family had a stroke before either. I never smoked,or ate at Mc.Ds or any off the places that are known to cause high BP or a bulging belly. Sensible eating habits work best for me now. I'm presently at 192# with 11% bf and I am about about 90% recovered from the stroke and take a baby asprin ED for the rest of my life. My Dr. tested me for GH and found me to be low so for the last 3½ years I've been on HGH and I feel that it has helped me recover from my stroke to some extent. It's a long tough road to recover,it best to get tested for high BP and watch cholesteral . With the many advances that are made in medicine it should be easier to make it through life.

 

[et2001]

Where is Heretic? I know he has not been banned because of this discussion.
Heretic, get back at me.

 

[Ulter]

HGH Man

That's a better success story than you're giving yourself credit for bro. Keep at it. Good luck

 

[Ulter]

Wow. Just. Wow. I can't believe the extent to which you deny the link between steroids and health problems....now I am surely guilty of abusing steroids in my time, but I don't ever think for a second that it has enhanced my health one bit. As far your statistic, I'm not going to say that you pulled that out of think air...but...there is a well established link between prostate cancer and high levels of dihydrotestosterone. I'm sure you can find a flawed study somewhere that doesn't show much of a correlation, but you can find other moronic studies elsewhere too - such as studies showing that ephedrine doesn't increase blood pressure, cigarettes not causing signifigant health problems, etc. Besides, do you really need a study to tell you something that should be obvious? To me, its obvious that steroids increase blood pressure. I know dbol/anadrol does a fucking number on me, and high BP does not run in my family. Some people running that for long periods of time, that will surely not be good for their cardiovascular health.

Have you read ANY studies done on men using testosterone?

I don't think you've spent ten minutes in your whole life reading any medical literature about steroids. Why don't you go to Anabolic Fitness and spend a few days reading the literature in the Bjaarki Library. It will open your eyes to how little you know about what you've been told. And consequently what you're saying.

I have already posted the literature I am referring to on several threads where people want to learn about testosterone's role. Below is one of the threads. You might want to scroll to the prostate section. Sorry I don't have the 2004 update to it right now but you'll get the idea from this one from 97.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359278

 

[Ulter]

I don't care about being healthy. I want big muscles. LOL

I have good news for you. You're nowhere near as unhealthy as you think you are.

 

[poantrex]

Have you read ANY studies done on men using testosterone?

I don't think you've spent ten minutes in your whole life reading any medical literature about steroids. Why don't you go to Anabolic Fitness and spend a few days reading the literature in the Bjaarki Library. It will open your eyes to how little you know about what you've been told. And consequently what you're saying.

I have already posted the literature I am referring to on several threads where people want to learn about testosterone's role. Below is one of the threads. You might want to scroll to the prostate section. Sorry I don't have the 2004 update to it right now but you'll get the idea from this one from 97.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359278

I've read it all man. There are just as many studies showing a link between high DHT and prostate cancer as there are studies showing no conclusive link. I DO KNOW THIS THOUGH: SUPPRESSING DHT or androgens in general is the treatment used for prostate enlargement/cancer. HMM wonder why.

 

[Ulter]

Here we go again. No, you don't know.
They lower estrogen in women with breast cancer too because the cancer feeds off of it. But estrogen is not the cause of the cancer.
They lower sex homones in men with prostate cancer because the cancer feeds off it. They are not the trigger or cause of the cancer.
You're just posting nonsense off the top of your head. You haven't read anything about the male use of testosterone or you wouldn't post goofy stuff like that.

 

[pharmguy]

Here we go again. No, you don't know.
They lower estrogen in women with breast cancer too because the cancer feeds off of it. But estrogen is not the cause of the cancer.
They lower sex homones in men with prostate cancer because the cancer feeds off it. They are not the trigger or cause of the cancer.
You're just posting nonsense off the top of your head. You haven't read anything about the male use of testosterone or you wouldn't post goofy stuff like that.

This is some funny shit. Only EQ causes blood thickening? Its called increase in hematocrit which all AAS do ( maybe EQ more than others) as they all stimulate eryhtrpoeisis. We can sticke are heads in the sand all day but I refuses to. AAS are harmful substances. I use and abuse them. They are not as bad as cocke heroin or cigarettes, and have some helpful effects. But if you think high doses of AAS don't cause several different kinds of cancer, hypertension, kidney disease, stroke and who knows what else, you are fooling yourself. When I have one of these things happen, and its not in my family history, I will know EXACTLY why, and so will you. Aspirin may help, but its not enough, milk thistle and ALA are not going to prevnt liver disease, and saw palmetteo or proscar is not going to prevent prostate cancer, not when you take the doses on ppl state on this board. Sorry to rain on your parades. Denial will go only so far.

Let the flaming beging:

PG

 

[poantrex]

Here we go again. No, you don't know.
They lower estrogen in women with breast cancer too because the cancer feeds off of it. But estrogen is not the cause of the cancer.
They lower sex homones in men with prostate cancer because the cancer feeds off it. They are not the trigger or cause of the cancer.
You're just posting nonsense off the top of your head. You haven't read anything about the male use of testosterone or you wouldn't post goofy stuff like that.

This is true, the cause of prostate cancer is not known. But there is a ton of data showing that (dihydro)testosterone makes is grow and spread. I'm aware of newer studies showing that other hormones may be also responsible, but the participants of these studies also had high levels of DHT.

Most men do not feel any symptoms when they first get prostate cancer, and they won't know until its too late.