AAS and Muscle Tears

[ATLmuscles]

Well, I've been pretty absent from the list lately, IN CASE ANYONE NOTICED! I was posting alot in Dec./January as I had sinus surgery and couldn't train for three weeks, so I had more time. After training clean for awhile, four weeks ago, I started a "Max Androgen" phase, a 3-week heavy cycle, using my own site-injectible blend that I created, alternating it in bi's and tri's.

Whenever I am on an agressive cycle, I notice that my muscles get really pumped; my triceps especially will get so pumped I can't even do a side-tricep pose. And so, after a mega-chest workout last Tue., my partner and I moved on to triceps. I was really pumped already and feeling tight, stretched alot, but still tore my left tri. doing behind-the-head EZ bar extensions, heavy. Hindsight is 20/20, and so I probably should have done lighter isolation moves than those extensions, which really are a "super-stretch." But sometimes it is hard to draw the line between pussying out and playing it safe, isn't it. Well, my arm is all black and blue, but it's not a bad tear, everything stayed attached, probably rather minor by tear standards.

But I have concluded that tears are MUCH more likely when on AAS. I had a bad pec tear in 2002 (stayed attached, but was a bad tear in the muscle) while on a cycle. ANd then last year, while on a short "Blitz" cycle, I tore an oblique by coughing, if you can believe! It's pretty obvious that the AAS pump can be too much sometimes, and the muscles lose their flexibility.

My solution is to pay closer attention to that pump and tightness in the future--stretching wasn't enough. If "too" pumped I'll plan to do some lighter isolation moves and avoid "super-stretch" moves, like tricep extensions, sissy squats, dumbell pullovers, inclined curls, etc. Or even abandon that part of the workout, something that's really hard to do, but something I'll consider in the future.

Any other tear stories???

 

[ATLmuscles]

Hmm. I wrote that longass story for nothing??? Oh well.

 

[Outtlaw]

This is nothing new. It's been long known that AAS can cause the muscle to become so strong that it simply tears. A lot of muscle tears are the result of AAS. I heard a story about a guy on AAS that tore his quad simply by tripping while he was walking.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Well, I've been pretty absent from the list lately, IN CASE ANYONE NOTICED! I was posting alot in Dec./January as I had sinus surgery and couldn't train for three weeks, so I had more time. After training clean for awhile, four weeks ago, I started a "Max Androgen" phase, a 3-week heavy cycle, using my own site-injectible blend that I created, alternating it in bi's and tri's.

Whenever I am on an agressive cycle, I notice that my muscles get really pumped; my triceps especially will get so pumped I can't even do a side-tricep pose. And so, after a mega-chest workout last Tue., my partner and I moved on to triceps. I was really pumped already and feeling tight, stretched alot, but still tore my left tri. doing behind-the-head EZ bar extensions, heavy. Hindsight is 20/20, and so I probably should have done lighter isolation moves than those extensions, which really are a "super-stretch." But sometimes it is hard to draw the line between pussying out and playing it safe, isn't it. Well, my arm is all black and blue, but it's not a bad tear, everything stayed attached, probably rather minor by tear standards.

But I have concluded that tears are MUCH more likely when on AAS. I had a bad pec tear in 2002 (stayed attached, but was a bad tear in the muscle) while on a cycle. ANd then last year, while on a short "Blitz" cycle, I tore an oblique by coughing, if you can believe! It's pretty obvious that the AAS pump can be too much sometimes, and the muscles lose their flexibility.

My solution is to pay closer attention to that pump and tightness in the future--stretching wasn't enough. If "too" pumped I'll plan to do some lighter isolation moves and avoid "super-stretch" moves, like tricep extensions, sissy squats, dumbell pullovers, inclined curls, etc. Or even abandon that part of the workout, something that's really hard to do, but something I'll consider in the future.

Any other tear stories???

I dropped some tears my last cycle and the one before. First, had a sinus infection for 2 weeks str8. 2. My left shoulder rotator cuff is possibly torn-which makes my triceps hurt when i train them...has something to do with their connectivity or somehting is guess, slightly tore my left pec doing incline bar. All b/c I lifted way to heavy and hard while on, which i thought i was capable of. Wrong, won't do it again. It's tough, i had to end my cycle two weeks early to start recovery....I'm still not 100%, and I HATE not lifting the heavy weight, really hard to go into the gym and just throw a couple plates on here and there and drop down on all the poundages

 

[DIVISION]

I HATE not lifting the heavy weight, really hard to go into the gym and just throw a couple plates on here and there and drop down on all the poundages

In the future, concentrate on stability and slow negatives on your reps.....especially when you go max heavy....

That way you'll be building the strength in the connective tissues which is more beneficial to your overall strength.....remember, you're trying to strength the skeletal muscle system while keeping pace with the connective tissue......any imbalance will only case you problems in the long run.


DIV

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

In the future, concentrate on stability and slow negatives on your reps.....especially when you go max heavy....

That way you'll be building the strength in the connective tissues which is more beneficial to your overall strength.....remember, you're trying to strength the skeletal muscle system while keeping pace with the connective tissue......any imbalance will only case you problems in the long run.


DIV

Wish I would have known that B4 the dammage was done. Oh well live and learn.

 

[athlete.03]

In the future, concentrate on stability and slow negatives on your reps.....especially when you go max heavy....

That way you'll be building the strength in the connective tissues which is more beneficial to your overall strength.....remember, you're trying to strength the skeletal muscle system while keeping pace with the connective tissue......any imbalance will only case you problems in the long run.


DIV

Indeed. Connective tissue is central here. In fact, with AAS, a tendon tear may very well be a greater risk than a tear across actual muscle tissue. The reason is because AAS cause the body to produce a screwed up version of collagen: the building blocks of tendons.

So while the muscles get stronger, tendons actually get weaker. The result is often a debilitating tendon tear.

HGH, on the other hand, actually strengthens tendons.

Yet another benefit of stacking AAS with HGH.

 

[vio]

One might add that anavar will improve collagen quality and synthesis! As will primo!

 

[athlete.03]

One might add that anavar will improve collagen quality and synthesis! As will primo!

Interesting. I'm not challenging your source, but would like to read it as I didn't know that. Can you tell me where you read it?

 

[vio]

Do a search here. Was a major thread a couple of weeks back.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Tears happen because people don't know how to tailor their workout routines around their cycles.

You shouldn't try lifting heavy while on juice. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but hear me out.

Juice will make you stronger, no doubt about it. But it won't make your connective tissues stronger (tendons, ligaments, cartilage). So if you try to lift maximum weights, your muscles will overpower these connective tissues and result in tears.

Aside from the obvious injury risk with lifting with high intensity while on...yo're also not taking full advantage of the benefits that juice will give to you (Increased protein synthesis, decreased recovery time needed, etc...).

You should be lifting in the 8-12 rep range (known as the hypertrophy stage). Increased volume and frequency of training is how you will put on as much muscle as possible...not lifting heavy.

I know it's tempting to try and see how much you can max out at while on the juice...but I'm telling you, you should be lifting at a moderate intensity with a moderate-high volume to see the best results, with the lowest risk of injury, during a cycle.

When you come OFF a cycle is when you should be lifting with high intensity. Every study in the book has shown that intensity is the key to maintaining gains. You can drop your volume and frequency (which you SHOULD do after a cycle) and as long as you keep the intensity high, you will retain your muscle. This makes perfect sense, because if your body knows that it's going to have to lift heavy (even once a week) it will do its best to keep every possible ounce of muscle it has.

All you gotta do is think about this stuff logically and make sure you're implementing your cycles at the right time in your training. Lifting with high volume, moderate intensity, and high frequency while on...high intensity, low volume, low frequency while off. It's that simple.

 

[BodyMechanic]

last summer while on the heaviest cycle i have ever been on i tore both my hamstrings while playing softball, it was strange because the day before i worked my legs with no problems. They are just getting to where i can work them again now.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Bro your a big dude, lifting heavy weights...I like you push the androgen effects to the max...pumps where you can't bend your arm, lift so heavy that if I get all three set I hit a fourth till I fail and move up in weight. It's this type of lifting that the AAS help tear muscles rip.

 

[instant.muscle]

well you said ur cycles are HEAVY extreme cycles, maybe tone them down a bit?