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A short war? I suspect not.

HumorMe said:
Well, the article I posted said NZ had 1 whole ship and 1 recon plane there supporting the buildup in Iraq.

Well if this is what the NZ military is saying these ships are actually doing then Clark has a big problem on her hands. She has already stated that this war is illegal under international law, so if what is written in the article is true she'd in BIG legal trouble.

Helen Clark is too shrewd to put herself in that situation which leads me to suspect some rather unsubstantiated claims in that article. I am sure Clark's numerous political enemies would be all over this by now if there was anything to it.
 
Bush doing this for the oil? I don't think so. That sounds very sound and logic, but I don't think that is the reason. That would be like saying he is doing this to deflect attention from the fact our unemployment is sky high, our economy sucks and we STILL have not found a fucking cave hermit in Afganistan.

I honestly do not think the war will last very long. It is natural thinking to reason that Saddam has taken remedy precautions against all his mistakes and losses from the first Gulf War. However, you have to remember that the Iraqi soldiers remember all too well what happened then and I expect them to be surrendering by the hundreds of thousands after the first shot. No one wants to play for a losing team. They have nothing to gain but death either way you look at it. Might as well cast your dice with the victor and hope for better treatment.

The main concern is that from the first Gulf War, Saddam made mortal enemies of the Kurds and with Isreal. Rather than fight us directly, he launched missile attacks on Isreal and then out of anger gassed all those Kurds after the war. I think the big problem is that when the war is under way, Isreal and Kurds are going to be frothing at the mouth and crazed with bloodlust and we could very well see an entire massacre of Saddam and his regime.

Not that I would shed a tear.
 
Jae said:
Bush doing this for the oil? I don't think so. That sounds very sound and logic, but I don't think that is the reason. That would be like saying he is doing this to deflect attention from the fact our unemployment is sky high, our economy sucks and we STILL have not found a fucking cave hermit in Afganistan.


Jae

I just stated that "oil" has been used as Bush's logic for war, which I don't believe. I was using that logic to point out to HansNZ, that if that was the case then NZ is using that same logic to get into a free trade agreement with Australia and the US.

HansNZ

I don't know if that article is true or not but I am assuming it is true. Do you really know where NZ stands on this war. Sounds like they are supporting it secretly and denouncing it publicly.

Again....why do you hate the US and it's politics?
 
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No one has mentioned the Turks in this discussion..
Another Wild card, as they have eyes on the prize and may
take advantage..
 
Yeah, I don't think oil is the issue either. However I WILL tell you this. 100% of other countries are convinced this is why the U.S. has this agenda. I just returned from Brazil and everyone of those people down there is utterly convinced the U.S. is just scheming to get their hands on the oil. I saw lots of anti-american graffitti all over San P. and Rio. DEATH TO USA was quite common.
 
Yeah, I don't think oil is the issue either. However I WILL tell you this. 100% of other countries are convinced this is why the U.S. has this agenda. I just returned from Brazil and everyone of those people down there is utterly convinced the U.S. is just scheming to get their hands on the oil. I saw lots of anti-american graffitti all over San P. and Rio. DEATH TO USA was quite common.
 
Jae said:
Yeah, I don't think oil is the issue either. However I WILL tell you this. 100% of other countries are convinced this is why the U.S. has this agenda. I just returned from Brazil and everyone of those people down there is utterly convinced the U.S. is just scheming to get their hands on the oil. I saw lots of anti-american graffitti all over San P. and Rio. DEATH TO USA was quite common.


All these sceond class countries hating on the American way. What does Brazil produce thats of any importance anyways other than soccer players...I bet half those people would die for the chance to be here and increase the illegal population.
 
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