A Kinder, Gentler PCT

[centy]

OK - Here it is.

Me: 31 yrs old. 6'0" 235 lbs. Endomorph. Training for 6 years. Used to be a disgusting fatbody at ~265. Couldn't see my penis anymore. Cleaned up and got down to 215.

First cycle was devised with the help of Nelson Montana. I like his thoughts on shorter, more sane cycles.
1-3 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20mg / day
1-10 testosterone enanthate 325mg / wk
Arimidex. 0.125mg E3D

I gained about 15 quality lbs and felt great. No sides to speak of.

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - : I didn't want to mess with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or Clomid. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - killed my libido for months several years back when messing around w/ Superdrol. I'd been reading around here about Post Cycle and Derma Sustain (Now Sustain Alpha) and the luck people had with them. I figured I would give it a go.

My PCT consisted of:
5 days HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500iu.
0.125 mg Arimidex EOD
Sustain 5 pumps/day AM
Post Cycle 3 caps AM, 3 PM
Unleashed 3 caps AM
Amplify 02

During PCT, my libido went down, but never below normal. I felt great in the gym - kept the intensity up (thanks for the energy, Omega) There was a slight loss of strength, but I was expecting that. PCT was a cinch.

Blood Test Results:
Serum Testosterone 1 month before cycle: 391
Serum Testosterone 1 week after conclusion of PCT: 387

(I realize these levels are nothing to write home about - I wish they were higher.) But I consider my PCT to be successful. It went very well, was easy, and best of all - no sides. I hope some peeps find this info useful. People talk about supplements all day long around here. The blood tests show that I recovered successfully.

I'd like to thank everyone that helped me out. Nelson, Need2, Omega, halfcenturian, Tat, xrsist and many more.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Great to hear. I am planning to use a similar p.c.t.

 

[OMEGA]

!@@!

excellent

 

[needtogetaas]

OK - Here it is.

Me: 31 yrs old. 6'0" 235 lbs. Endomorph. Training for 6 years. Used to be a disgusting fatbody at ~265. Couldn't see my penis anymore. Cleaned up and got down to 215.

First cycle was devised with the help of Nelson Montana. I like his thoughts on shorter, more sane cycles.
1-3 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20mg / day
1-10 testosterone enanthate 325mg / wk
Arimidex. 0.125mg E3D

I gained about 15 quality lbs and felt great. No sides to speak of.

PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - : I didn't want to mess with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or Clomid. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - killed my libido for months several years back when messing around w/ Superdrol. I'd been reading around here about Post Cycle and Derma Sustain (Now Sustain Alpha) and the luck people had with them. I figured I would give it a go.

My PCT consisted of:
5 days HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500iu.
0.125 mg Arimidex EOD
Sustain 5 pumps/day AM
Post Cycle 3 caps AM, 3 PM
Unleashed 3 caps AM
Amplify 02

During PCT, my libido went down, but never below normal. I felt great in the gym - kept the intensity up (thanks for the energy, Omega) There was a slight loss of strength, but I was expecting that. PCT was a cinch.

Blood Test Results:
Serum Testosterone 1 month before cycle: 391
Serum Testosterone 1 week after conclusion of PCT: 387

(I realize these levels are nothing to write home about - I wish they were higher.) But I consider my PCT to be successful. It went very well, was easy, and best of all - no sides. I hope some peeps find this info useful. People talk about supplements all day long around here. The blood tests show that I recovered successfully.

I'd like to thank everyone that helped me out. Nelson, Need2, Omega, halfcenturian, Tat, xrsist and many more.

Thanks bro. Good luck.

 

[enacer420nj]

good work bro... lol @ "discusting fatbody" reminded me of full metal jacket

 

[access]

It's whatever works and has the least amount of stress and looks like you found something for yourself here.

 

[centy]

yep. I don't claim to know that this will work for everyone. We're all different.

 

[xrsist]

good to hear bro

 

[needtogetaas]

It's whatever works and has the least amount of stress and looks like you found something for yourself here.

Try everything once is what I say.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Good to know! Glad it worked out for you.

 

[centy]

Hm. I'm thinking now might be a good time to take some regular Derma for a spin.

 

[nab12]

PP...my question would be should this fellow expect to see his test levels drop once he stops the derma?

If not...then why would he continue to use the sustain?

 

[nab12]

PP...my question would be should this fellow expect to see his test levels drop once he stops the derma?

If not...then why would he continue to use the sustain?

bump....PP or Needto??

 

[nab12]

bump again?

 

[nab12]

I find it hard to believe as much as needto and PP are on here this hasnt gotten a response yet?

 

[centy]

Right? Wassup with that. Maybe Need2 is busy with his book editors.

I was keeping my eyes peeled for a reply.

 

[Primordial Performance]

PP...my question would be should this fellow expect to see his test levels drop once he stops the derma?

If not...then why would he continue to use the sustain?

Sorry guys, didn’t see this post until now.

The Dermacrine can eventually suppress your natural T production because it boosts hormone levels above the normal range, so that why we recommend only 4 week cycles, with Sustain Alpha after the Dermacrine to get your natural T levels up and keep them up.

The Sustain is something you can stay on as long as you want just for an overall T boost.

-Pp

 

[centy]

thanks bro

 

[Varga]

Glad it worked out for you bro, at 10 weeks there shouldn't be any issues with recovery anyway especially when you used H C G. Now since this worked for you well stick with the 10 week mark.

 

[needtogetaas]

PP...my question would be should this fellow expect to see his test levels drop once he stops the derma?

If not...then why would he continue to use the sustain?

Using reg derma as a pree pct is pretty good. It takes you off the aas and keeps your test pretty high. All the wile making yo feel good over all. Can it be suppressive? yes after 4 weeks or more it can and even after a cycle its not the perfect pct. It will level you out,keep gains coming,keep sex drive up and get you that much closer to a great pct though. Which brings you to sustain alpha which happens to be perfect for pct.

Reg derma is best for on cycle,as a stand alone test booster, or as pree pct for people that need a lot of help with pct. Sustain alpha is the pct king though. Ad some phyto-test and or postcycle unleashed if you want some more added help but nver needed.

 

[centy]

OK - Methinkey that now would be a nice time to try 4 weeks of Orig. Derma. I've heard so much about it - can't wait to try. (Can someone hook a guy up with the "handsome bro discount" code?)

Any considerations about stopping regular Derma and getting into a regular AAS cycle? i.e. Any "Derma P.CT" required? How long to wait, etc?

 

[Primordial Performance]

OK - Methinkey that now would be a nice time to try 4 weeks of Orig. Derma. I've heard so much about it - can't wait to try. (Can someone hook a guy up with the "handsome bro discount" code?)

Any considerations about stopping regular Derma and getting into a regular anabolic androgenic steroids cycle? i.e. Any "Derma P.CT" required? How long to wait, etc?

Your would be better off just kick starting your AAS cycle with the Dermacrine, or using it durring the cycle for an added boost.

-Pp

 

[centy]

bump in celebration of Nelson's return