A Few Questions Regarding AAS

[Vanchatron]

Stats:

Age - 21
Height - 5,10"
Weight - 252lbs (18 Stone)
Bodyfat - 17-18%
Bodybuilding Experience - 6-7 years
AAS Use - Explained Below

Several months back I did my first ever cycle which was the following:

10 Week cycle of Test-E. 1000mg the first week (split into 2 doses) followed by 9 weeks of 500mg per week (also split into 2 doses).

I then waited 2 weeks & started my Nolvadex cycle which lasted for 21 days. 100mg the 1st day, 60mg per day for the next 10 days & 40mg per day for the following 10 days.


My Questions:

- Since coming off the cycle I tried my absolute hardest to keep as much of the size I gained as possible, but sitting here now you'd never be able to tell I once did a proper Test cycle. I think the reason for this is the fact that I took such a long break and went WITHOUT AAS. I was told by many that the time off should equal the time on... So if your cycle lasted 3-4 months, you should take 3-4 months off before starting another cycle. Are you sure this is the normal thing to do? Let's take the Pro's for example (And even non IFBB'ers who are always huge/ripped)... ALL year round they're massive, and it looks as if they NEVER come off the juice. It doesn't seem to me that they take big amounts of time off before starting another cycle. To me (although I could be wrong) it seems as though they're juicing all year round. I'm just thinking of starting another cycle again, but don't particularly want to be back to the drawing board once the cycle is finished, due to have to wait so long to start ANOTHER cycle. What do you think?

- For my 2nd cycle, somebody said to me it'd be a good idea to keep it relatively the same as the first, but this time I could try a "dianabol kickstart" instead of the 1000mg (test) per week frontload which I did in the first cycle. How exactly would this go though? Would it be set out to look something like the following:

Weeks 1 - 4 - Dianabol @ 40mg/day
Weeks 1 - 10 - Test @ 500mg /week (250mg twice a week)

Also, regarding the above, WHY would a dianabol kickstart be better than a test frontload? The person I spoke to seemed to think it was, but this was a while back on the forums, so I never actually asked him WHY.

- And last of all, how would the cycle above work when cutting? Is the cycle above a mass building stack, or can it be used to help cut aswell? Also, let's just say for example that diet & training were nearly completely spot on, would it be possible to lose fat AND gain some size whilst on cycle? I know this is extremely hard & rare for people to do when not juicing due to the goals being the complete opposite, but I figured it might be possible whilst on AAS. What do you think?


Anyway, thanks for reading through and I'd really appreciate some help!

 

[bw1]

Stats:

Age - 21
Height - 5,10"
Weight - 252lbs (18 Stone)
Bodyfat - 17-18%
Bodybuilding Experience - 6-7 years
AAS Use - Explained Below

Several months back I did my first ever cycle which was the following:

10 Week cycle of Test-E. 1000mg the first week (split into 2 doses) followed by 9 weeks of 500mg per week (also split into 2 doses).

I then waited 2 weeks & started my Nolvadex cycle which lasted for 21 days. 100mg the 1st day, 60mg per day for the next 10 days & 40mg per day for the following 10 days.


My Questions:

- Since coming off the cycle I tried my absolute hardest to keep as much of the size I gained as possible, but sitting here now you'd never be able to tell I once did a proper Test cycle. I think the reason for this is the fact that I took such a long break and went WITHOUT AAS. I was told by many that the time off should equal the time on... So if your cycle lasted 3-4 months, you should take 3-4 months off before starting another cycle. Are you sure this is the normal thing to do? Let's take the Pro's for example (And even non IFBB'ers who are always huge/ripped)... ALL year round they're massive, and it looks as if they NEVER come off the juice. It doesn't seem to me that they take big amounts of time off before starting another cycle. To me (although I could be wrong) it seems as though they're juicing all year round. I'm just thinking of starting another cycle again, but don't particularly want to be back to the drawing board once the cycle is finished, due to have to wait so long to start ANOTHER cycle. What do you think?

"Pro's" have ran gear for years, they didn't just get "huge and ripped" of a cycle or two. Years of training, dieting, cycleing etc. I won't even get into that. You can start your next cycle when you're fully recovered, how do you know? BLOODWORK.

- For my 2nd cycle, somebody said to me it'd be a good idea to keep it relatively the same as the first, but this time I could try a "dianabol kickstart" instead of the 1000mg (test) per week frontload which I did in the first cycle. How exactly would this go though? Would it be set out to look something like the following:

Weeks 1 - 4 - Dianabol @ 40mg/day
Weeks 1 - 10 - Test @ 500mg /week (250mg twice a week)

Also, regarding the above, WHY would a dianabol kickstart be better than a test frontload? The person I spoke to seemed to think it was, but this was a while back on the forums, so I never actually asked him WHY.

Looks good to me, Orals are fast acting and a good way to kick start any cycle.

- And last of all, how would the cycle above work when cutting? Is the cycle above a mass building stack, or can it be used to help cut aswell? Also, let's just say for example that diet & training were nearly completely spot on, would it be possible to lose fat AND gain some size whilst on cycle? I know this is extremely hard & rare for people to do when not juicing due to the goals being the complete opposite, but I figured it might be possible whilst on AAS. What do you think?


DIET is key, you can "cut" on any cycle

Anyway, thanks for reading through and I'd really appreciate some help!

^^^^^^^^^

 

[Nelson Montana]

Stats:

Age - 21
Height - 5,10"
Weight - 252lbs (18 Stone)
Bodyfat - 17-18%
Bodybuilding Experience - 6-7 years
AAS Use - Explained Below

Several months back I did my first ever cycle which was the following:

10 Week cycle of Test-E. 1000mg the first week (split into 2 doses) followed by 9 weeks of 500mg per week (also split into 2 doses).

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WAY, WAY, TOO MUCH AND TOO LONG FOR A FIRST CYCLE.



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I then waited 2 weeks & started my Nolvadex cycle which lasted for 21 days. 100mg the 1st day, 60mg per day for the next 10 days & 40mg per day for the following 10 days.


My Questions:

- Since coming off the cycle I tried my absolute hardest to keep as much of the size I gained as possible, but sitting here now you'd never be able to tell I once did a proper Test cycle.

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NO SURPRISE THERE.


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I think the reason for this is the fact that I took such a long break and went WITHOUT AAS.


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NO. THE REASON IS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD MUSCLE.



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I was told by many that the time off should equal the time on... So if your cycle lasted 3-4 months, you should take 3-4 months off before starting another cycle. Are you sure this is the normal thing to do?

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IT'S THE STANDARD BUT IF YOU WANT TO PREVENT SUPPRESSION, THE TIME OFF SHOULD BE TWICE AS LONG.


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Let's take the Pro's for example (And even non IFBB'ers who are always huge/ripped)... ALL year round they're massive, and it looks as if they NEVER come off the juice.


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THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING YOU DO.

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It doesn't seem to me that they take big amounts of time off before starting another cycle. To me (although I could be wrong) it seems as though they're juicing all year round. I'm just thinking of starting another cycle again, but don't particularly want to be back to the drawing board once the cycle is finished, due to have to wait so long to start ANOTHER cycle. What do you think?

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I THINK YOU'RE LAZY.



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- For my 2nd cycle, somebody said to me it'd be a good idea to keep it relatively the same as the first, but this time I could try a "dianabol kickstart" instead of the 1000mg (test) per week frontload which I did in the first cycle. How exactly would this go though? Would it be set out to look something like the following:

Weeks 1 - 4 - Dianabol @ 40mg/day
Weeks 1 - 10 - Test @ 500mg /week (250mg twice a week)

Also, regarding the above, WHY would a dianabol kickstart be better than a test frontload? The person I spoke to seemed to think it was, but this was a while back on the forums, so I never actually asked him WHY.

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WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT?



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- And last of all, how would the cycle above work when cutting? Is the cycle above a mass building stack, or can it be used to help cut aswell?

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WOW, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE DRUGS, DO YOU? THE DRUGS DON'T BUILD MUSCLE OR BULK OR CUT. THEY ASSIST YOU IN THOSE PROCESSES WHICH REQUIRE PROPER TRAINING AND DIET. GET A CLUE BRO.


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Also, let's just say for example that diet & training were nearly completely spot on, would it be possible to lose fat AND gain some size whilst on cycle? I know this is extremely hard & rare for people to do when not juicing due to the goals being the complete opposite, but I figured it might be possible whilst on AAS. What do you think?


Anyway, thanks for reading through and I'd really appreciate some help!

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TRY ANOTHER YEAR OF TRAINING NATTY. TRY SOME GOOD SUPPS. THERE'S A SPECIAL WHERE YOU CAN BUY 2 EBOOKS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE. GET ONE ON TRAINING AND ANOTHER ON GEAR. OR...YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

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[the_alcatraz]

Why would you think that taking 1000 mgs of test the first week of your FIRST EVER cycle would be a good idea???!?

Waaaaaaaay too much test. I've had way to many cycles, and I've still never done more than 750 mgs of test a week...

You're overdosing IMO

 

[halfcenturian]

You are unlikely to listen, but IMO you don't need gear at all. At 21 you have enough muscle building compounds in your body to create a great phyisque naturally. 1 gram of test at 21? Why?
There is no need to run more then 500mg/wk.

 

[the_alcatraz]

You are unlikely to listen, but IMO you don't need gear at all. At 21 you have enough muscle building compounds in your body to create a great phyisque naturally. 1 gram of test at 21? Why?
There is no need to run more then 500mg/wk.

Not even.

At 21, there is no need to run aas at all.

If I had to run a test alone cycle, I'd hit 250 mgs of test.

 

[2evil]

Stats:

Age - 21
Height - 5,10"
Weight - 252lbs (18 Stone)
Bodyfat - 17-18%
Bodybuilding Experience - 6-7 years
AAS Use - Explained Below

Several months back I did my first ever cycle which was the following:

10 Week cycle of Test-E. 1000mg the first week (split into 2 doses) followed by 9 weeks of 500mg per week (also split into 2 doses).

I then waited 2 weeks & started my Nolvadex cycle which lasted for 21 days. 100mg the 1st day, 60mg per day for the next 10 days & 40mg per day for the following 10 days.


My Questions:

- Since coming off the cycle I tried my absolute hardest to keep as much of the size I gained as possible, but sitting here now you'd never be able to tell I once did a proper Test cycle. I think the reason for this is the fact that I took such a long break and went WITHOUT AAS. I was told by many that the time off should equal the time on... So if your cycle lasted 3-4 months, you should take 3-4 months off before starting another cycle. Are you sure this is the normal thing to do? Let's take the Pro's for example (And even non IFBB'ers who are always huge/ripped)... ALL year round they're massive, and it looks as if they NEVER come off the juice. It doesn't seem to me that they take big amounts of time off before starting another cycle. To me (although I could be wrong) it seems as though they're juicing all year round. I'm just thinking of starting another cycle again, but don't particularly want to be back to the drawing board once the cycle is finished, due to have to wait so long to start ANOTHER cycle. What do you think?

- For my 2nd cycle, somebody said to me it'd be a good idea to keep it relatively the same as the first, but this time I could try a "dianabol kickstart" instead of the 1000mg (test) per week frontload which I did in the first cycle. How exactly would this go though? Would it be set out to look something like the following:

Weeks 1 - 4 - Dianabol @ 40mg/day
Weeks 1 - 10 - Test @ 500mg /week (250mg twice a week)

Also, regarding the above, WHY would a dianabol kickstart be better than a test frontload? The person I spoke to seemed to think it was, but this was a while back on the forums, so I never actually asked him WHY.

- And last of all, how would the cycle above work when cutting? Is the cycle above a mass building stack, or can it be used to help cut aswell? Also, let's just say for example that diet & training were nearly completely spot on, would it be possible to lose fat AND gain some size whilst on cycle? I know this is extremely hard & rare for people to do when not juicing due to the goals being the complete opposite, but I figured it might be possible whilst on AAS. What do you think?


Anyway, thanks for reading through and I'd really appreciate some help!

Bro,

I am by no means an AAS expert, still natty (or at least all OTC) up to this point.

But, I'll try to help you out a bit. As a side, a front load of Test E doesn't kick start anything. Research these drugs an their esters. Different esters have different half lives which control how long it takes your body to breakdown and release into your blood stream. Test E is a long ester. You probably didn't start to feel the effects of your "front load" for a few weeks.

Now, until you can train and grow naturally you shouldn't think about using again. Your young and your test levels are high. You're at your natural anabolic peak right now. Take advantage of it and build a base. What have your gains been like over the past 6-7 years?

If you don't get this down then it doesn't matter how much you gain on cycle because you'll never hang on to it.

I think your other questions were addressed.

 

[van_wilder]

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LOL - all true and great points but you are one cold SOB!

To the original poster... listen to these guys bro. If you make some solid gains naturally you'll be greatful because you'll be able to make greater gains off lower doses in the future and your body will thank you for that. If you're at 1g of test/week at 21, where is up from there? 2-3g by the time you're 25?

 

[sebass2769]

Not even.

At 21, there is no need to run aas at all.

If I had to run a test alone cycle, I'd hit 250 mgs of test.

+1
your body produces anywhere between 50-100mgs of test EW. around 250mgs of test only seems to be the standard for the cherry popper cycle. listen to the sound advice you get here. a whole gram of test on your first cycle ever? damn, plz start respectin your body or your nuts will pack up and leave you!

 

[the_alcatraz]

+1
your body produces anywhere between 50-100mgs of test EW. around 250mgs of test only seems to be the standard for the cherry popper cycle. listen to the sound advice you get here. a whole gram of test on your first cycle ever? damn, plz start respectin your body or your nuts will pack up and leave you!

 

[the_alcatraz]

Yo!

 

[Big_Joe]

Kid you're going to fuck yourself up good. I see you being a stick figure and having to take HRT by the time you are twenty five. You're going to permantly shut yourself down and then you will never be able to maintain muscle mass. A doctor will have to give you a script just so you can look somewhat normal (oh and lets not forget getting it up). I didn't start juicing until I was in my late forties. And I'm one of the big guys in the gym. I get respect in the gym not because I am big but because I work my ass off. If you want respect you have to earn it.

This is what really bothers me about this stuff. So many kids thinging "Gee all I have to do is shoot this stuff in my ass and I will be superman." Absolutly brainless.

 

[Vanchatron]

LOL @ all of the fucking IGNORANCE & "old man syndrome" in this thread.

Nelson - Your point of "you don't know how to build muscle" I'm not even gonna go into properly, but here's a thought for your thick as shit brain to think over... "hmm how did he get up to nearly 265lbs on his cycle, and 250lbs WITHOUT AAS @ 5,10"?"... Sure I've got 17-18% bodyfat, but that's nothing MAJOR. Are you saying because I'm not 250lbs @ 5% bodyfat, that I DON'T know how to build muscle? You're fucking stupid as shit old man. You know FUCK ALL about me, you have NO reason to say I don't know how to build muscle. Maybe a better approach would have been to say "you don't know how to KEEP more muscle than you kept when you came off cycle", but to say "you don't know how to build muscle" is fucking ignorant of you & quite frankly, it's pathetic. To say "I think you're lazy" aswell, there's another point that's not valid and tbh I could give two fucks what you think of me, you're nothing to me & never will be. You're a high poster on a muscle building forum, that's it, and that's all you'll ever be with an attitude like that towards people. I can sense a lot of people coming forward and licking your ass because I've touched a soft spot in you, but they're rep/forum huggers, let's see them give 2 shits about you in the reason world. About the person who I said knew what he was talking about... Tell me somebody at 280lbs 10% bodyfat DOESN'T know what they're talking about & I'll laugh in your face.

One thing I did have to physically LAUGH OUT LOUD at is the point you made about "THE DRUGS DON'T BUILD MUSCLE OR BULK OR CUT. THEY ASSIST YOU IN THOSE PROCESSES WHICH REQUIRE PROPER TRAINING AND DIET"... NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK. Your dumb as fuck to think that "specific" drugs don't help with "specific" goals though. E.g. Deca/Sust etc for bulking & others for cutting. Yes Deca/Sust can be used on a cut, BUT there are others out there which people would "rather" use because it works better with what they're trying to achieve. You can't sit there and tell me that people wanting to bulk & people wanting to cut, will go ahead & use the same drugs for both goals... You're a retard. I think your little green blocks have gone to your head.

Alcatraz - Researching for more than 4 years & speaking to MANY people about cycling, they have ALL recommended the same thing to me. If it's wrong, then how the hell am I meant to know, if SO MANY people have told me the same thing? It's like people telling me "high reps tone" and I go ahead & do it because everybody told me, but in the end I don't make gains at all... If you had just started out juicing and people were telling you "yeah 1000mg per week for the past 2 weeks is THE NORM and it's fine", what would you do? You wouldn't go against what so many people are telling you is right. Especially since they look like they're been in the game for YEARS on end. If what they told me is wrong, it's their fault, not mine... I'm just following what I thought was good advice.

Joe - I could give a fuck about your vast knowledge, warnings to me or how long you've been in the game, but to anybody who calls me "kid", they can suck my fucking dick. The fact that you're thinking that I'M thinking ""Gee all I have to do is shoot this stuff in my ass and I will be superman" makes you out to be a cliche dickhead with "old man syndrome" thinking that these so called "kids" you're referring to (just because they're younger than you) makes you a somewhat better human being, give me a fucking break. The funny thing is, I never once saw you give any help to my original questions. What do you do, patrol the forums & wait for a "kid" (again not a kid, just somebody you refer to as a kid because they're younger than you) before trying to bash them into the ground for having some simple questions? You... are pathetic, grow up.

Check the rest of my thread if you want and you'll see I NEVER get into an argument with people on here, but to sit here & read all these pathetic posts from so called "knowitalls" WITHOUT them giving any proper answers to my original questions, or being nice about them, really pisses me off.

But I guess that's what I get for coming to a Yank forum, you're all too far up your own asses to realise that the rest of the World fucking hates you, and this is a picture perfect example of just WHY that is.

Anyway, fuck this forum, I'm gone, so have fun typing out an essay long response trying to get me back or whatever it is you Yanks do on a daily basis. I can guaranfuckingtee NONE of you would be as cocky as you're attempting to be in a real world situation. You'd be on your ass so fucking fast, it's not even funny. Remember that the next time you try to give somebody shit on here. Remember that YOU are worthless pieces of shit for trying to come on here & give me shit for no reason. What was the point of it? I'm assuming it was to try & make you out to be the bigger/better man? For your information, you failed at it... Failed epicly.

Goodbye.

 

[Nelson Montana]

LOL @ all of the fucking IGNORANCE & "old man syndrome" in this thread.

Nelson - Your point of "you don't know how to build muscle" I'm not even gonna go into properly, but here's a thought for your thick as shit brain to think over... "hmm how did he get up to nearly 265lbs on his cycle, and 250lbs WITHOUT AAS @ 5,10"?"... Sure I've got 17-18% bodyfat, but that's nothing MAJOR.
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BIG DEAL. YOU'RE BIG. ANYONE CAN EAT THEIR WAY TO 250LBS WITH 18% BF. FUCK, THAT'S LIKE A WOMAN'S BF%.


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Are you saying because I'm not 250lbs @ 5% bodyfat, that I DON'T know how to build muscle?

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NO, I'M SAYING THAT IF YOU CAN'T GROW ON GEAR (WHEN OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT) YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING OR YOUR TRAINING IS PUSSY SHIT. AND IF YOU THINK THE ANSWER IS MORE GEAR, YOU'RE DUMB TOO.


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You're fucking stupid as shit old man.

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FUNNY THAT YOU SHOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE I GET PAID TO GIVE ADVICE ON BODYBUILDING. AND TRUE, I MAY BE OLD. BUT I BET I LOOK BETTER THAN YOU DO.



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You know FUCK ALL about me, you have NO reason to say I don't know how to build muscle.

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OH, BUT I DO. I KNOW YOU'RE FAT AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T BUILD MUSCLE ON GEAR.


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Maybe a better approach would have been to say "you don't know how to KEEP more muscle than you kept when you came off cycle", but to say "you don't know how to build muscle" is fucking ignorant of you & quite frankly, it's pathetic. To say "I think you're lazy" aswell, there's another point that's not valid and tbh I could give two fucks what you think of me, you're nothing to me & never will be.


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YOU SEEM PRETTY UPSET OVER SOMETHING THAT MEANS NOTHING TO YOU.



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You're a high poster on a muscle building forum, that's it, and that's all you'll ever be with an attitude like that towards people.


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GET A CLUE KID. DO A GOODLE SEARCH. I'VE BEEN I THE BUSINESS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I'M PUBLISHED. I'VE DEALT WITH SOME OF THE BIGGEST NAMES IN THE INDUSTRY AND SOME HAVE ENDORSED MY BOOKS.

FEELING STUPID YET?



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I can sense a lot of people coming forward and licking your ass because I've touched a soft spot in you, but they're rep/forum huggers, let's see them give 2 shits about you in the reason world.

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WHAT'S THE "REASON WORLD?".


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About the person who I said knew what he was talking about... Tell me somebody at 280lbs 10% bodyfat DOESN'T know what they're talking about & I'll laugh in your face.

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SOMEONE THAT SIZE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO TAKE A LOT OF DRUGS, YES.



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One thing I did have to physically LAUGH OUT LOUD at is the point you made about "THE DRUGS DON'T BUILD MUSCLE OR BULK OR CUT. THEY ASSIST YOU IN THOSE PROCESSES WHICH REQUIRE PROPER TRAINING AND DIET"... NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK. Your dumb as fuck to think that "specific" drugs don't help with "specific" goals though. E.g. Deca/Sust etc for bulking & others for cutting. Yes Deca/Sust can be used on a cut, BUT there are others out there which people would "rather" use because it works better with what they're trying to achieve. You can't sit there and tell me that people wanting to bulk & people wanting to cut, will go ahead & use the same drugs for both goals... You're a retard. I think your little green blocks have gone to your head.

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MY MISTAKE. ON SECOND THOUGHT , YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING.

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Goodbye.

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AND GOOD RIDDANCE ASSWIPE. GOOD LUCK AT THE MR. OLYMPIA CONTEST.

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[swole]

LOL @ all of the fucking IGNORANCE & "old man syndrome" in this thread.

Nelson - Your point of "you don't know how to build muscle" I'm not even gonna go into properly, but here's a thought for your thick as shit brain to think over... "hmm how did he get up to nearly 265lbs on his cycle, and 250lbs WITHOUT AAS @ 5,10"?"... Sure I've got 17-18% bodyfat, but that's nothing MAJOR. Are you saying because I'm not 250lbs @ 5% bodyfat, that I DON'T know how to build muscle? You're fucking stupid as shit old man. You know FUCK ALL about me, you have NO reason to say I don't know how to build muscle. Maybe a better approach would have been to say "you don't know how to KEEP more muscle than you kept when you came off cycle", but to say "you don't know how to build muscle" is fucking ignorant of you & quite frankly, it's pathetic. To say "I think you're lazy" aswell, there's another point that's not valid and tbh I could give two fucks what you think of me, you're nothing to me & never will be. You're a high poster on a muscle building forum, that's it, and that's all you'll ever be with an attitude like that towards people. I can sense a lot of people coming forward and licking your ass because I've touched a soft spot in you, but they're rep/forum huggers, let's see them give 2 shits about you in the reason world. About the person who I said knew what he was talking about... Tell me somebody at 280lbs 10% bodyfat DOESN'T know what they're talking about & I'll laugh in your face.

One thing I did have to physically LAUGH OUT LOUD at is the point you made about "THE DRUGS DON'T BUILD MUSCLE OR BULK OR CUT. THEY ASSIST YOU IN THOSE PROCESSES WHICH REQUIRE PROPER TRAINING AND DIET"... NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK. Your dumb as fuck to think that "specific" drugs don't help with "specific" goals though. E.g. Deca/Sust etc for bulking & others for cutting. Yes Deca/Sust can be used on a cut, BUT there are others out there which people would "rather" use because it works better with what they're trying to achieve. You can't sit there and tell me that people wanting to bulk & people wanting to cut, will go ahead & use the same drugs for both goals... You're a retard. I think your little green blocks have gone to your head.

Alcatraz - Researching for more than 4 years & speaking to MANY people about cycling, they have ALL recommended the same thing to me. If it's wrong, then how the hell am I meant to know, if SO MANY people have told me the same thing? It's like people telling me "high reps tone" and I go ahead & do it because everybody told me, but in the end I don't make gains at all... If you had just started out juicing and people were telling you "yeah 1000mg per week for the past 2 weeks is THE NORM and it's fine", what would you do? You wouldn't go against what so many people are telling you is right. Especially since they look like they're been in the game for YEARS on end. If what they told me is wrong, it's their fault, not mine... I'm just following what I thought was good advice.

Joe - I could give a fuck about your vast knowledge, warnings to me or how long you've been in the game, but to anybody who calls me "kid", they can suck my fucking dick. The fact that you're thinking that I'M thinking ""Gee all I have to do is shoot this stuff in my ass and I will be superman" makes you out to be a cliche dickhead with "old man syndrome" thinking that these so called "kids" you're referring to (just because they're younger than you) makes you a somewhat better human being, give me a fucking break. The funny thing is, I never once saw you give any help to my original questions. What do you do, patrol the forums & wait for a "kid" (again not a kid, just somebody you refer to as a kid because they're younger than you) before trying to bash them into the ground for having some simple questions? You... are pathetic, grow up.

Check the rest of my thread if you want and you'll see I NEVER get into an argument with people on here, but to sit here & read all these pathetic posts from so called "knowitalls" WITHOUT them giving any proper answers to my original questions, or being nice about them, really pisses me off.

But I guess that's what I get for coming to a Yank forum, you're all too far up your own asses to realise that the rest of the World fucking hates you, and this is a picture perfect example of just WHY that is.

Anyway, fuck this forum, I'm gone, so have fun typing out an essay long response trying to get me back or whatever it is you Yanks do on a daily basis. I can guaranfuckingtee NONE of you would be as cocky as you're attempting to be in a real world situation. You'd be on your ass so fucking fast, it's not even funny. Remember that the next time you try to give somebody shit on here. Remember that YOU are worthless pieces of shit for trying to come on here & give me shit for no reason. What was the point of it? I'm assuming it was to try & make you out to be the bigger/better man? For your information, you failed at it... Failed epicly.

Goodbye.

The best way to learn is to accept new information and ways of going about things without feeling insulted.

Having an open mind is the only way to move forward in bodybuilding (along with proper training and diet obviously).

You went about things a little too harshly bro, we're always willing to help. We're a very experienced group of guys, and whether or not the information is what you want to hear, it's there for your consideration. We can't control what you're going to do, but we sure as shit can try to guide you in the right direction.

Best of luck in your quest.

 

[HAYEZ]

ya guys were a bit harsh...frontloading was pretty normal and useing 1000mg test a week for first 2 weeks isnt a big deal.. 21 and usieng steroids may not be the best idea but he is an adult and can make his own decisions. nobody keeps all there gains off cycle unles they stay on for good and thats a fact... 5 10 at 250 is a big guy

 

[Nelson Montana]

ya guys were a bit harsh...frontloading was pretty normal and useing 1000mg test a week for first 2 weeks isnt a big deal.. 21 and usieng steroids may not be the best idea but he is an adult and can make his own decisions. nobody keeps all there gains off cycle unles they stay on for good and thats a fact... 5 10 at 250 is a big guy

Sorry...hafta disagree. This is a prime example of why dosages are going up and guys are looking worse. It's anti-bodybuilding IMO. 21 years old, first cycle, a gram of gear? Ridiculous. Yes, he's an adult and can make his own decisions -- that doesn't make them good decisions.

Steroids should be used to enhance and further training. Any moron can take a lot of gear. Any idiot can eat a lot and throw some weights around and weight 250 with 18% fat. That's not bodybuilding.

He didn't not keep all his gains, he LOST ALL his gains. That shows he's on the wrong track. And all he was looking for was for someone to tell him he needed MORE gear. That's the wrong message.

Somebody has to keep it real. If it means some kid called me names to do so, I can live with that. In the end more people may be helped even if one jerk doesn't like what he hears.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Wow. That guy just acted like we told him he had a cancer or something. Too bad some people can't take advice. He's not with us anymore.

 

[HAYEZ]

Sorry...hafta disagree. This is a prime example of why dosages are going up and guys are looking worse. It's anti-bodybuilding IMO. 21 years old, first cycle, a gram of gear? Ridiculous. Yes, he's an adult and can make his own decisions -- that doesn't make them good decisions.

Steroids should be used to enhance and further training. Any moron can take a lot of gear. Any idiot can eat a lot and throw some weights around and weight 250 with 18% fat. That's not bodybuilding.

He didn't not keep all his gains, he LOST ALL his gains. That shows he's on the wrong track. And all he was looking for was for someone to tell him he needed MORE gear. That's the wrong message.

Somebody has to keep it real. If it means some kid called me names to do so, I can live with that. In the end more people may be helped even if one jerk doesn't like what he hears.

his cycle wasnt a 1000mg ew...it was just a front load..completely different then running it for 10 weeks.
250 at 18% fat ... i know many people that want stregnth and bulkiness over lean and abs...

my point was you guys kinda jumped down his throat... that was all...
he doesnt need more gear doses... he just needs some diet advice and he would of been good to go

 

[the_alcatraz]

his cycle wasnt a 1000mg ew...it was just a front load..completely different then running it for 10 weeks.
250 at 18% fat ... i know many people that want stregnth and bulkiness over lean and abs...

my point was you guys kinda jumped down his throat... that was all...
he doesnt need more gear doses... he just needs some diet advice and he would of been good to go

His post was very disrespectful and he argued "rudly" with everyone who tried to give him advice.

 

[ceo]

His post was very disrespectful and he argued "rudly" with everyone who tried to give him advice.

I'm going to agree with HAYEZ on this. Also, most of the advice given was given rather "rudely" to begin with. I thought Nelson's reply was way out of line.

So we tell the OP he should've been the better man?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm going to agree with HAYEZ on this. Also, most of the advice given was given rather "rudely" to begin with. I thought Nelson's reply was way out of line.

So we tell the OP he should've been the better man?

When a child goes to put his hand on a burning stove you don't say; "Pardon me child, but although the attempt at reaching for that flame may seem attractive it would be in your best interest in you curtail such desires and refrain from doing so."

No, you slap his hand and hell "STOP!" This is no different.

Sometimes you have to get the message across that needs to be made and get it across fast. Instead, this guy thinks he's right and I'm wrong. Personally, I don't care what he thinks, but in the end, he'd be better off if he just manned up, took the hit, and learned from it. Instead, he has people who are offering sympathy so he can make the same mistake twice. And maybe others in the same boat will make the same mistake.

Why can't anyone take constructive advice? Does everyone need their balls stroked before getting any instruction at all? Geez, come on already.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'm going to agree with HAYEZ on this. Also, most of the advice given was given rather "rudely" to begin with. I thought Nelson's reply was way out of line.

So we tell the OP he should've been the better man?

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Besides, soon I read his post "fuck this forum" that's an immediate banning. He doesn't want to be here, and we're just giving him what he wants. He can go get advice to run 1000mgs of test ew cycles somewhere else, as I dnt want that shit on my conscience.

 

[needtogetaas]

his cycle wasnt a 1000mg ew...it was just a front load..completely different then running it for 10 weeks.
250 at 18% fat ... i know many people that want stregnth and bulkiness over lean and abs...

my point was you guys kinda jumped down his throat... that was all...
he doesnt need more gear doses... he just needs some diet advice and he would of been good to go

True I know many people like this as well. Also meh they did not jump on him to much. Could have been a bit nicer. LETS TRY TO DO THIS NEXT TIME GUYS!!!.

All and all the guy was a real prick though. Peace to that bro.

 

[needtogetaas]

I was not happy with this thread. Regardless of if he was right or wrong we have to give a level of respect to people if we expect it back. We are not going to go jumping down newbs necks. Yes we will be nice to them and explain things to them. This is not a flam and fight forum. Its a information,share and learn forum.

I hope I do not see this shit again from anyone.