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9th Circuit rules individuals have no right to bear arms

austin,

besides your 'logic' being completely filled with holes and outright wrong, how could you actually support such a move by our government to ban guns?

ask our UK friends here how well banning handguns worked out for them?

want to know what other government banned its citizens from having guns?

nazi germany and castro's cuba.
 
they had ranks, reporting structures, etc. in the malitias, just cause you had a rifle, didn't mean you were in one.

I own a handgun, and will probably get another one.

The gun lobby has done a good job of changing public perception over the last few decades, but there are many constitutional scholars who still believe that individuals rights are not implied...

What about chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons? Those are arms too. How about switch blades and stilettos, those are banned pretty much everywhere.
 
The second ammendment is a doomsday provision?

What in the fuck?

Morons!!
 
p0ink said:
austin,

besides your 'logic' being completely filled with holes and outright wrong, how could you actually support such a move by our government to ban guns?

ask our UK friends here how well banning handguns worked out for them?

want to know what other government banned its citizens from having guns?

nazi germany and castro's cuba.

Did I say I supported it? No, I didn't. I merely stated that, though hotly debated, the 2nd ammendment doesn't guarantee an indivudual the rights to own any type of weapon he chooses.
 
It's time to prepare the overthrow......and Aschroft is first on the list.
 
Democrats Try To List Guns As 'Weapons of Mass Destruction"

Latest Democrat Extremism: Guns Are Weapons of Mass Destruction
Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
Wednesday, April 9, 2003

Defenders of the Second Amendment are on the lookout for a new Democrat campaign, already attempted in one state, to brand handguns as “weapons of mass destruction.”
Washington Gov. Gary Locke, picked by the Democrats to give their response President Bush’s State of the Union address just a couple of months ago, urged his state's Legislature to create six terror-related crimes that would bring guns under the legal definition of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Though the legislation offered by the governor and Attorney General Christine Gregoire did not mention specific weapons, Join Together Online, an anti-gun group, reported the legislation defined a weapon of mass destruction as a “device, object, or substance that a person intends to use to cause multiple human deaths.”

Here is how the Seattle Times on March 15 led its story on how the Legislature dealt with the issue: “An anti-terrorism bill has spurred a debate among lawmakers: Is a gun a weapon of mass destruction?”

In response to the governor, several Democrat lawmakers crafted House Bill 1210 to include firearms as weapons of mass destruction.

The state legislators cited last October’s sniper attacks in the District of Columbia area as their foot in the door to try to deprive law-abiding citizens of their Second Amendment rights. The snipers had ties to the Seattle area.

'I Tried to Push the Envelope'

“I tried to push the envelope on this bill to see if it would cover those guys if they had chosen to take out the rest of their aggression in Washington,” said Democrat state Rep. Jeannie Darneille. “And the answer, quite frankly, was no.”

Gun rights groups and Connecticut gun maker Colt Manufacturing said that defining firearms as weapons of mass destruction “is an attempt to regulate gun control” and would permit any gun to be considered a weapon of mass destruction.

To those who disingenuously argued that guns were not so defined in the legislation, Joe Waldron, a lobbyist for Gun Owner’s Action League and other gun rights groups, said it met “everybody else’s definition other than those in Olympia.”

According to an AP dispatch March 19, the Washington House of Representatives passed the anti-terrorism bill, but only after the section listing firearms as weapons of mass destruction was dropped. That change resulted from the insistence of more conservative lawmakers. Though it was a close call, some semblance of rationality ultimately prevailed.

After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the federal government asked each state to enact some kind of anti-terrorism legislation. Of course, defining handguns as weapons of mass destruction was not something the Bush administration had in mind.

The recent events in the Evergreen State demonstrate the necessity of vigilance to make certain that thinly disguised gun control (by whatever name) does not spread to other state Capitols or to the U.S. Congress.

From 'Scoop' Jackson to 'Osama Mama' Murray

The stunt in Olympia also illustrates what has happened in Washington's state Democrat party, which decades ago gave the nation the level-headed wisdom of Henry “Scoop” Jackson, a U.S. senator for nearly 30 years.

By contrast, today’s Democrat party in that state gives us, in addition to leaders who try to exploit the war on terrorism to sabotage the Second Amendment, the likes of: Saddam pal Rep. "Baghdad" Jim McDermott, former Internet tycoon Sen. Maria "Can't Pay" Cantwell, and Sen. Patty “Osama Mama” Murray, who lied that the world’s leading terrorist was a great benefactor who did more for Afghanistanis than the United States did.

After Al Gore lost the last presidential election despite a strong economy and all the advantages of White House incumbency, some party moderates noted that his anti-gun extremism cost him such states as Tennessee, Arkansas and West Virginia. To stop losing elections, the party must mute its anti-choice extremism, the moderates cautioned.

It appears that leftist Democrats are once again eager to run roughshod over the centrists, no matter what the cost.
 
Next they're gonna say that you can't have big hands, because with big hands it is easier to strangle someone.:rolleyes:
 
i think the reason so many democrats/liberals want to ban guns is because they know there are millions of angry gun owners out there, who are fed up with their stupid policies and agenda.
 
AustinTX said:
the framers were referring to the right for state militias to be formed, not individual rights. you had to bring your own gun then...

Am. II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

they used "the people" to refer to groups, states, etc; and "a person" when speaking of an individuals right....

as in:
Am. I ...the right of the people peaceably to assemble..
Am. IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons...and the persons or things to be seized
Am V. No person shall be held to answer for a capital...

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

i guess the national guard is the only group that has the freedom of speech, right? :rolleyes:

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

i guess the national guard is only exmpt from search warrants, right? :rolleyes:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

again. national guard only, right? :rolleyes:
 
I forget the exact statistic, but the 9th citcuit gets 70% or so of their stuff over-turned.

They're so fucking far left they can't even be considered democrats, let alone American.
 
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