5x5 Split needs critiquing

[Tom Treutlein]

Legs (Sunday)
Squat 5x5
Front Squat 2x8-10
SLDL 2x8-10
Heel Raise 5x15
Crunch 2x8-10
Wrist Curl 2x8-10

Triceps/Biceps (Monday)
Closegrip Bench 5x5
Skull Crusher 2x8-10
Pushups 2x8-10
Barbell Curl 5x5
Hammer Curl 2x8-10
Chinups 2x8-10

Back/Shoulders (Wednesday)
Deadlift 5x5
Pullups 2x8-10
Bentover Row 2x8-10
Military Press 5x5
Upright Row 2x8-10

Chest/Calves (Friday)
Incline Bench 5x5
Dips 2x8-10
Incline Flies 2x8-10
Heel Raise 5x15
Leg Raise 2x8-10
Wrist Curl 2x8-10

Bag training done on Sunday and Wednesday.
Post-workout cardio (light 10-15 minute jog) done on Monday and Friday.

 

[DaveTSI]

looks good to me. i think on legs i would substitute hack squats or leg extensions for front squats. that may be a little too much after 5x5 on back squats. maybe rotate front and back squats every other week. i would also do 5x5 on the SLDL's. also i would throw another couple sets in for shoulders like seated front raises or side laterals.

 

[TRUEsoldier]

Legs (Sunday)
Squat 5x5
Front Squat 2x8-10
SLDL 2x8-10
Heel Raise 5x15
Crunch 2x8-10
Wrist Curl 2x8-10.

I would think you should do either leg press or hack squats instead of front squats.

Triceps/Biceps (Monday)
Closegrip Bench 5x5
Skull Crusher 2x8-10
Pushups 2x8-10
Barbell Curl 5x5
Hammer Curl 2x8-10
Chinups 2x8-10.

I dont like push ups for a set like that, cuz you should be able to do alot more than 8-10 so I wouldnt think you would get a godo pump from them, instead I would do reverse grip bench, or rope press downs
...and not a fan of chin ups for a pure bi work out, esp when you are going to do back 2 days later, I would do preacher db curls

Back/Shoulders (Wednesday)
Deadlift 5x5
Pullups 2x8-10
Bentover Row 2x8-10
Military Press 5x5
Upright Row 2x8-10.

I woudl throw in a set of 8-10 of side raises, and a set of 8-10 of rear delts

Chest/Calves (Friday)
Incline Bench 5x5
Dips 2x8-10
Incline Flies 2x8-10
Heel Raise 5x15
Leg Raise 2x8-10
Wrist Curl 2x8-10.

I like this day!!
Bag training done on Sunday and Wednesday.
Post-workout cardio (light 10-15 minute jog) done on Monday and Friday.[/QUOTE]

All in all I really like this plan, the only major change I would do, is swap your chest day with your arms day, to hit chest and back before you hit arms!
but other than that the other reommendations, or just my preferences, but your routine looks really solid bro

Good luck

Peace

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i like it..personally i like front squats i think its a great overall exercise..i get more benefit from them than hacks or leg presses..not that those arent good exercises..the only other thing i might change is maybe add some side delt work..other than that it looks solid..good basic compound exercises...

 

[eat big]

are you one of those ppl who doesnt need to work their rear deltoids directly, and they still grow? if so then it looks good

 

[wnt2bBeast]

are you one of those ppl who doesnt need to work their rear deltoids directly, and they still grow? if so then it looks good

ive trained mine and t tell you the truth i cant really tell the difference? but between deads uprights BB rows they do get hit..its such a small muscle it doesnt make sense to really do much for them

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I workout at home, so leg press is out.

I was doing the pushups weighted. Same goes for my abdominal work. Normally I wouldn't use pushups as a tricep exercise, but I do feel them in my tris and I've heard in the past that pushups are good for the rotator cuffs. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but they never bothered my shoulders any and even when I had pain benching on the same day, I could do pushups no problem.

There are two reasons I'm using chinups for bis. First off, there's no other place I can really throw in chinups where they won't be a nuisance. I wanted to hit lats twice a week minimum, since 1x a weel 2x8-10 just doesn't cut it. Never has for me. Two times seems a more viable option, and I figured that I could get extra bicep stimulation out of them, while hitting my lats. Two birds, one stone.


The second reason was just because I wanted to see how they fare as a bicep exercise.

I was going to do lateral raises, but upright rows usually hit the lateral head pretty well anyway. I don't bring my upright rows high, by the way. Wider grip, upper-ab level. Kills my medial deltoid and keeps my RCs fine.

I would add something for rear delts just to 'cover all the bases', but I never could get a feel for any of the rear delt work I've done. I want to get some bands and use face pulls or something of the sort just to stimulate that area a bit.

Now that I look at it, I think the days needs to be changed around a little bit. Maybe. If I did anything, I'd put Chest/Calves on Monday, Legs on Saturday, and put Triceps/Biceps on Friday. I need to keep Sunday as an entire off-day. It's the only day of the week my grip training gets a rest.

I also realized I want to add DB shrugs (DB 'cause my right side is somehow lagging slightly behind my left) to Back/Shoulders day.

 

[eat big]

ive trained mine and t tell you the truth i cant really tell the difference? but between deads uprights BB rows they do get hit..its such a small muscle it doesnt make sense to really do much for them

yeah, i like directly training mine bc they get worked so much from rows, deads etc. that they need direct work for them to grow and keep up with the rest of my body, everyone is different

 

[casualbb]

what are you trying to do tom, what goals

 

[Lee]

i think it looks fine. im glad to see those dips in there. mmmmm dips....

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Size and strength combo. I like a concrete, steady and reliable plan. I miss training with extra volume in one session for a bodypart, so I figured I'd go back to that for awhile.

 

[DaveTSI]

Size and strength combo. I like a concrete, steady and reliable plan. I miss training with extra volume in one session for a bodypart, so I figured I'd go back to that for awhile.

thats all well an good, but you need to change up your exercises every once and a while. you cant, at least most of us joe schmoes, keep growing and gaining on the same routine. i find it works much better to listen to my body and do what exercises i feel like doing. you should do squats every week (front or back), you should deadlift every week, but thats about it. changing it up is the best thing for you. dont flat bench every chest workout, do incline, or flat db, or incline db. dont do bb curls every week for bis, use the ezcurl bar, or preacher curls. get my drift. there are so many different ways to shock your body and keep it growing because it cant get used to anything. Give it NO choice but to keep getting stronger and grow more and more. Just make sure you are feeding the machine

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Oh boy. Buddy, you can't "shock your body". That's just childish. Go learn you some science. Changing all those exercises up isn't going to do anything for hypertrophy. Changing once every 1-3 weeks will keep the CNS from fatiguing from constant high intensity, but it won't do much else. Maybe break up the psychological monotony of it.

 

[DaveTSI]

hey, buddy, its a figure of speech. no shit lifting weights doesnt send electrical impulses through your muscles. whats childish about not letting your body get used to doing the same thing week in and week out and reach a platue, please educate me bill nye the fucking science guy.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Changing exercises too often will be counterproductive, asshole. Think about that. There's no reason to switch things up that often unless you're an extremely advanced lifter (like some of the professional PLers) and your CNS adjusts to a new exercise in a weeks time.

Go ahead and "change things up" all the time. See where it gets you. Punk.

 

[DaveTSI]

Changing exercises too often will be counterproductive, asshole. Think about that

very smart and well backed up statement, and you can be sure ill think long and hard about that.
no, it is not counterproductive. i didnt say do 3 completely different exercises every time you work a certain body part. if you read my post it says "every once and a while", apparently you missed that part.

I like a concrete, steady and reliable plan.

this means to me the same workout every week for months, atleast thats what it sounds like. and yes my friend, you will platue very nicely doing that for a few months straight. punk. i can see how your 2200 posts to my 600 something makes you a much more advanced and knowledgable BB. or maybe its your 5'11.5" 180lb 14%bf build

Go ahead and "change things up" all the time. See where it gets you. Punk.

umm..21years old, 6 years training, 190lbs 5'8", 9%bf, bench near double bodyweight, current best squat is 585 (have you ever even seen that on a bar?), deadlift 495 for a triple. please learn me a little more i think ill stick with my ways bro.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

lets not get outta hand here we can debate all we want without flaming each other!!!!!

Dave i really dont believe in shocking the muscle either..what i do believe in is that doing the same secndary exercises may lead to a plateau..but chning those for similar exercises allows you to push a heavier weight because it is a slightly different move thus allowing you to possibly add more size..I dont like to change an exercise unless i am unable to add more weight and/or reps..once i hit a plateau like that is when i change it..it may be 3 weeks it may be 3 months..

As far as TT's comment abut changing execises each week is true. Most that use WSB change max effort moves each week to avoid burnout..

lets all try to get along and help each other out rather than turn this into a pissing match..I really believe that people need to try out their own ideas even if its goig to fail before theyre able to see the light..thats not directed at anyone here its just a generalization that applies to life in general as well..

 

[bignate73]

i think the breakdown is coming from the traditional bodybuilding, once a week, program vs. a more frequent program where there is less volume.

example:
a bodybuilder may bench once a week for "chest" and it will seem counter productive to do inclines the next week. of course, because the bb'er is doing incline, decline, etc, blah flyes, etc. High volume low frequency.

a PL program tends to focus more on the movement, ie. they flat bench one day, maybe three days later they do some incline work, different grip. same motions just variations. They arent concerned with "blitzing" the muscle, and taking a week to recover because, quite honestly you can reap similar gains by "living to fight another day". Training perhaps one movement for the "target" muscle group, and leaving it alone because you know you will do it again in 2-3 days. high frequency low volume. Its not "shocking" to the muscle, but its constant stimulation.
There are a number of studies that have been cited that state that even working out when still sore was productive. there are some that have been quoted that say 1 all out set is equivalent to 3. Not saying studies are the end all, be all. but the science is out there. Bodybuilding is not a science, its quasi scientific. Strength training is more documented and researched than pure hypertrophy, because there are no hypertrophy olympic sports.

I'm not debating the difference between high volume, low frequency, and low volume high frequency...but I am saying that it is possible to be VERY productive with frequent changes of exercise, because the CNS constantly adapts and thus your ability to handle greater loads at different planes and leverages will ultimately result in muscle adaptation...aka growth.

 

[DaveTSI]

wnt2bbeast i know bro i said "but you need to change up your exercises every once and a while" i guess my post reads out wrong. i dont change what i do every week. 3-6 weeks i may flat, then incline for a couple. like i said i ALWAYS squat. i was trying to get across the point you just said "what i do believe in is that doing the same secndary exercises may lead to a plateau". this is completely true. sorry, i guess my post came out wrong. i was just offering up my opinion and what obviously works for me, apparently that makes me a childish punk asshole. i wasnt trying to flame anyone, but it pisses me off when thickheaded people with alot of posts think they know it all and cant accept anothers advice or opinion (that also was not directed at anyone here).

 

[TheOak84]

more flaming!!!

tom, incline flys suck, u know that, dont be silly...
i dont think changing exercises is will give u extra growth, i think the thing u need to change is the way u perform the movement, and the volume/intensity. ive stuck with the same 3-4 movements per muscle group for years... im doin fine

 

[wnt2bBeast]

wnt2bbeast i know bro i said "but you need to change up your exercises every once and a while" i guess my post reads out wrong. i dont change what i do every week. 3-6 weeks i may flat, then incline for a couple. like i said i ALWAYS squat. i was trying to get across the point you just said "what i do believe in is that doing the same secndary exercises may lead to a plateau". this is completely true. sorry, i guess my post came out wrong. i was just offering up my opinion and what obviously works for me, apparently that makes me a childish punk asshole. i wasnt trying to flame anyone, but it pisses me off when thickheaded people with alot of posts think they know it all and cant accept anothers advice or opinion (that also was not directed at anyone here).

i understand you..youre right we shouldnt fly off the handle and name call..i have been guilty of it too..but i find it easier now that if i dont have anything constructive to say i jsut dont say it..if i offer someone my advice and it seems like they dont want to take it that is there biz..we cant force everyone to train/eat ad think like us..all we can do is offer our experiences

 

[DaveTSI]

wnt2bbeast i agree w/ u 100%. just offering my experience and what seems to work for me, wasnt trying to force anything.

theoak84 im know your doing fine (i can tell from your avatar), but some people couldnt get that kind of result from the same exercises for that amount of time, myself included. changing grips of exercises is also another way of "shocking" a muscle group so to speak that i like and works well for me. you want more flaming eh... lol

 

[WalkingBeast]

Lets KILL the name calling!!

 

[DaveTSI]

Kill That Shit!!!!!

 

[WalkingBeast]

Kill That Shit!!!!!

 

[TRUEsoldier]

WOW this got heated quick...

stop, breath, relax, KILL

alright but anyways, I like to change things up "every once in awhile" like 8-10 weeks. cuz like said I want to improve on that movement till I plateau!
and I persnally love incline Fly's!!! LOL
...oh yea TT I thought you were into the whole HST thing!??

Peace

 

[RGS83]

I'm confused...
I too am doing a 5x5, and i've recently finished the 'running start' and am now progressivly lifting heavier.
I can notice the difference forsure in some regards. Squatting was hard one week, I plowed through it, and the next week, 5lbs more, seemed easier.. meh.
Chest I couldn't hit 5x5 on the flat bench, so 3x5 next week - I digress.

My question is in response to what ppl keep telling me... I understand, and it makes sense to swap up exercises every so often, but isn't it REALLY hard todo so on a 5x5?
I mean you're goal is 5lbs more of weight every week on that exercise... there is a huge difference between FLAT BB BENCH PRESS and INCLINE DB PRESS. So how do you do it??

 

[Tom Treutlein]

rgs, you don't switch your main 5x5 exercise. Don't listen to that. You can in the future, but once you stagnate, give it two extra attempts at that weight or so. If you still don't get it up, the following week, try 5x3 or 3x5 (I don't know, whichever you prefer). Once you plateau on that rep scheme, you can switch your 5x5 exercise and climb the ladder again.

I'm into the whole HST thing to a point. I realize I was a bit closed-minded, though I still think the science behind it is awesome. A few things which I thought about made me feel a bit uneasy about the program. I also want strength, and HST doesn't give a great deal of that. I also hate taking off so often, as you must with HST. I'd rather take off when my body feels it's time.

Incline flies always gave me a good stretch in the pecs. I like 'em, and figured I'll try a more traditional approach.

The routine is reliable, and I'm the type of person who likes a lot of solid ground to stand on. I'm very bent on planning things out and knowing it will work. I have yet to honestly hear ill of 5x5, except from my own mouth, trashing the frequency. If you see my plan, though, I'm basically hitting all my muscles 2x a week. That's WSB frequency, and a bit under par for HST, the best programs for strength and size (respectively). I figure this will work nicely.

So anyways, yes, 5x5 is a plan that has proven results in the past. One particular individual who's gains inspired me was actually Lord_Suston's. 200 lb. deadlift gain, 80 lb. squat, 50 military press, 65-75 (I believe) incline bench. 8-10 hours of sleep a day. Ran the program for 16 weeks. That is disgustingly awesome. Dug that up from an old post, when I searched for 5x5 results. I was in the mood for a strength program, but something more traditional. So, I figured what better than 5x5?

As for you, Dave...
I apologize. I had a really bad night (fight with the father, mainly) which caused me to get edgy. I just hate hearing the term "shock your body" and I responded to it in a more than harsh way, which normally isn't like me. I don't think so, anyway. So, rather than let this get further out of hand, I'll drop it now. It's not getting anyone anywhere anyway.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

your split looks good to me. i am not familiar with those four day splits though. i can never get past training my chest and tris or back and bis on seperate days. just to keep it simple for my feeble mind i just keep a legs, pulling, and pushing day. as far as your excercies, lookin good. lots of nice compound motions.

the only change i would make is to pullup a 5x5 instead of 2x8 so that your lats would get hit more. then you could drop the deads to a 2x8, as you are doing squats as well 5x5. or, you could 5x5 them both if you wanted.

 

[Debaser]

i dont change what i do every week. 3-6 weeks i may flat, then incline for a couple. like i said i ALWAYS squat.

I think if you've been seeing continous lower-body growth and strength gain from the squats, then that should be an indicator right there that it's not necessary to "mix it up." Why would your upper body respond differently? Muscle tissue is muscle tissue.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I'm confused...
I too am doing a 5x5, and i've recently finished the 'running start' and am now progressivly lifting heavier.
I can notice the difference forsure in some regards. Squatting was hard one week, I plowed through it, and the next week, 5lbs more, seemed easier.. meh.
Chest I couldn't hit 5x5 on the flat bench, so 3x5 next week - I digress.

My question is in response to what ppl keep telling me... I understand, and it makes sense to swap up exercises every so often, but isn't it REALLY hard todo so on a 5x5?
I mean you're goal is 5lbs more of weight every week on that exercise... there is a huge difference between FLAT BB BENCH PRESS and INCLINE DB PRESS. So how do you do it??

I have notyiced that many a time.ill be doing a weight 5x5 and it will be hard to get the 5's on the last 2 sets then go into the gym the next week add 5 lbs and the weight feels like a feather..Im guessing here but i think its the body adapting and getting stronger..

personally i wouldnt not switch my main 5x5 unless a serious plateau was reached ..accesssory work should be changed when your no longer makng headway..thats just what has workde for me

 

[InTraining]

Just a general 5x5 question but what % of weight is one supposed to use at the start of the program for the 5x5 exercise?

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Just a general 5x5 question but what % of weight is one supposed to use at the start of the program for the 5x5 exercise?

i dont think there is any hard rule..starting at 65-70% of your 1RM is fine..if you dont know it pick a weight that you can do for 10 reps strip a little off and start there..

 

[InTraining]

i dont think there is any hard rule..starting at 65-70% of your 1RM is fine..if you dont know it pick a weight that you can do for 10 reps strip a little off and start there..

That's pretty low. Makes sense though as the whole point is to continuously add weight,I guess in the beginning one could even add in increments of 10lbs..

When you did the program did you go to failure on the 2 accessory exercises or just shy of it?

 

[wnt2bBeast]

That's pretty low. Makes sense though as the whole point is to continuously add weight,I guess in the beginning one could even add in increments of 10lbs..

When you did the program did you go to failure on the 2 accessory exercises or just shy of it?

you got it... the idea is to build if in teh beginning you feel its way to light add 10 lbs..thats fine

depends i started somewhat light on the accessory work too so that i could add weight as well..i did 2 sets of 10 then added a small amount of weight dpending on the exercise..very rarely did i spend more than 3 weeks with the same weight trying to get to 10 reps..if after 3 weeks i couldnt get it i changed exercises

 

[DaveTSI]

ok i need to clear this up because people are repeating this over and over. dont switch the main 5x5 exercise, obviously, that would completely defeat the purpose of the routine. the point i was trying to get across was switch up the secondary exercises, not the main one. I guess i used the wrong examples of exercises in my original post (i said dont just flat bench do incline..blablabla, shouldnt have used bench in the example) didnt know this had to be spelled out to some people, sorry about the misunderstanding everyone, i hope i didnt confuse any newbies too much. i have used 5x5 in the past for a good length of time, and it worked great. gained a shit load of strength and mass.

I think if you've been seeing continous lower-body growth and strength gain from the squats, then that should be an indicator right there that it's not necessary to "mix it up." Why would your upper body respond differently? Muscle tissue is muscle tissue.

cause you dont need anything but squats for thickass powerful legs. you cant compare legs to chest/shoulders/arms at all. nuf said

its not necessary to mix it up, i never said it was. it works fine for some including myself. secondary/accessory exercises should be changed sometimes i believe.

again when using the 5x5 training routine, do NOT i repeat do NOT change the main exercise, that defeats the purpose of the routine. however there is nothing wrong with changing the secondary exercises that go along with it every once and a while. EXAMPLE:
chest- flat BB benchpress 5 sets of 5 reps
incline db press 2 sets of 8-10 reps
cable flyes 2 sets of 8-10 reps

do this routine for 2weeks, or 3, or 4 then why not "mix it up" or "change things up" or "shock your body" or "fucking do something different"

flat BB benchpress 5 sets of 5 reps
flat db flyes 2 sets of 8-10 reps
weighted dips 2 sets of 8-10 reps

 

[marklm725]

i would try 4-6reps 3 sets 4 exercises per body part, straight heavy weights, if u want to put mass on, that works best for me, eat ALOT and eat clean!

 

[Slyder190]

Don't do cardio after a workout. And push ups?

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Weighted pushups. I explained why I like them in an above post.

Cardio post-workout has never been a problem for me in the past. I also feel it helps flush lactic acid from the system and reduce soreness. Not to mention it's brief and keeps me healthy.

 

[TRUEsoldier]

i dont think there is any hard rule..starting at 65-70% of your 1RM is fine..if you dont know it pick a weight that you can do for 10 reps strip a little off and start there..

I just kind of start with a weight that I can go abotu 3-4 weeks before getting to a weight that I could only do 5x5, then go from there!

Peace

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I agree with truesoldier.

 

[Debaser]

cause you dont need anything but squats for thickass powerful legs. you cant compare legs to chest/shoulders/arms at all. nuf said

No, it's not enough said. If you only need squats to build thick legs, why won't only the bench press build a thick chest? Why do you need flyes and all that? Not only is the chest smaller, it's only really made up of 2 muscle groups, whereas your legs are made up of several. I think you're using "gym logic" here, without any real reasoning.

 

[DaveTSI]

I think you're using "gym logic" here, without any real reasoning.

No reasoning huh, how about this. I usually only squat, when i say usually i mean 80% of my leg workouts only consist of squats. the most ill do otherwise is a few sets of leg extensions or leg press or sldl. not all of these, just one per workout, and 3 sets MAX. Like i said 80% of the time ill only do squats. and i can assure you i have "thickass powerful legs", if you would consider a 190lb person who squats near 600lbs powerful.
Also a good friend and former lifting partner of my father, whom was also my boss, taught me alot of shit in the gym. He was an internationally ranked powerlifter when he was my age. Competed in China, Australia, blabla (this was in the early 80's and he still holds records). Basically he knows his shit, and i picked up alot from him, maybe some of the people on here could do the same. I asked him about leg training and what he did and what he recommended. Every time, his answer was "just do squats", all the other shit (leg presses, extensions, leg curls) is basically a waste of time and effort that could be put towards more squats. he competed in the 181 class when he was 19-20 and squatted 700, and his legs are absolutly massive. please tell me i say anything on here without real reasoning again, and if your going to please tell me your training experience and stats.

I ONLY speak from experience, or knowledge ive picked up along the way from people who really do know what the fuck they are talking about. Not from what ive picked up from the latest issue of FLEX, or from what ive read on elitefitness by some 17 year old kid who thinks hes big and thinks he knows wtf hes talking about. Unless you're a amatuer/pro BB there is no reason to bother with half the shit people talk about doing on here. Most people on here need to gain mass and strength (or lose alot of weight), and no amount of leg extensions, leg curls, tricep kickbacks, or incline flyes are going to get you there. I dont claim to be the strongest, biggest, or smartest person on this board, but one thing i know how to do is train. And if you want big, strong legs, just squat heavy. Again enough said.

 

[Debaser]

No reasoning huh, how about this. I usually only squat, when i say usually i mean 80% of my leg workouts only consist of squats. the most ill do otherwise is a few sets of leg extensions or leg press or sldl. not all of these, just one per workout, and 3 sets MAX. Like i said 80% of the time ill only do squats. and i can assure you i have "thickass powerful legs", if you would consider a 190lb person who squats near 600lbs powerful.
Also a good friend and former lifting partner of my father, whom was also my boss, taught me alot of shit in the gym. He was an internationally ranked powerlifter when he was my age. Competed in China, Australia, blabla (this was in the early 80's and he still holds records). Basically he knows his shit, and i picked up alot from him, maybe some of the people on here could do the same. I asked him about leg training and what he did and what he recommended. Every time, his answer was "just do squats", all the other shit (leg presses, extensions, leg curls) is basically a waste of time and effort that could be put towards more squats. he competed in the 181 class when he was 19-20 and squatted 700, and his legs are absolutly massive. please tell me i say anything on here without real reasoning again, and if your going to please tell me your training experience and stats.

I ONLY speak from experience, or knowledge ive picked up along the way from people who really do know what the fuck they are talking about. Not from what ive picked up from the latest issue of FLEX, or from what ive read on elitefitness by some 17 year old kid who thinks hes big and thinks he knows wtf hes talking about. Unless you're a amatuer/pro BB there is no reason to bother with half the shit people talk about doing on here. Most people on here need to gain mass and strength (or lose alot of weight), and no amount of leg extensions, leg curls, tricep kickbacks, or incline flyes are going to get you there. I dont claim to be the strongest, biggest, or smartest person on this board, but one thing i know how to do is train. And if you want big, strong legs, just squat heavy. Again enough said.

Dude, I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. I AGREE that you only need squats to build thick legs. So what I'm asking you is this:

If you think that that's all you need to build thick legs, why do you insist that the chest muscles are so much different, and require flyes, changing exercises, etc.?

Muscle is muscle.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Debaser, out of curiosity, what were your stats again?

 

[TRUEsoldier]

Well I am not a pro/or even amatuer, just a guy that likes to work out...but my theory on what you guys are argueing about, is the squat works out ALL the muscles involved!! and works them all out Well

While the bench press does not IMO!

The squat incorporates the hams alot more...than the bench press incorporates the back!
...and if you belive that then that would explain why squats would make your overall legs massive...while bench press would not make your overall torso big and massive...

but if we are just alking about working the chest, than in no way can you even compare massive legs to chest! legs are 3 very different muscles (quads/hams/calves) that would be like talking about upper body(chest/back/arms)IMO

but anyways I am not just yappin away about nothin...LOL

Peace

 

[casualbb]

F that you guys are having a personal argument on tom's thread. take it somewhere else

 

[wnt2bBeast]

F that you guys are having a personal argument on tom's thread. take it somewhere else

bump that