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come on guys help!a guy in my gym said take hcg evry 2nd day, 3times times?help im confused.i thought it was evry 5 daysdoogle said:ok guys im totaly confused here.im takeing 8weeks of test ex elmu,and about5 weeks of winny depot.iwas gona add some deka but im leaveing it out.heres my stats.1-8weeks-testex elmu.500mg5-9weeks.winny evry 2nd day.iwas gona do hcg ,1500iu mid cycle and 5000iu end cycle.ialso have 24 clomid tabs.im gona have another kid this year so i need to do pct.help guys.i go on holiday for 2 weeks on the 19th may that leaves 12 weeks from today.so would it be possible to run hcg stright after winny for 15 days.evry 5 days.then that would lead up til the day i fly,so when i come back in 2weeks start my clomid,im just lookin it my options here,becouse i know clomid should be ran 2weeks after last shot of test.but could i do it this way .
Mr.X said:I'm an advocate of doing 500IUs of HCG ED for 10days, 7 before the PCT starts. That should be plenty for most users.
doogle said:ok so you think i should scrap the 5000iu and stick wiv 1500ius
mrp3652 said:Would your first of the 10 days of HCG start on the 7th day before PCT and conclude 3 days into PCT or would the 10th day finish up 7 days before?
g mac said:To me 5000iu of hcg followed by 1500iu 3x/wk for 3 wks seems like overkill with risks.
Mr. X is the hcg protocol you suggest for cycles running up to about 10 wks with total compound dosages at or less than 1000mg?
For a long cycle running at 16+ wks with total compound dosages well above 1000mg. Would you advocate a mid cycle hcg run of 500iu/day with 20 mg nolva for 7 days followed by a pct of 1000iu hcg 3x/wk for 3 wks with nolva and clomid followed by 3 more wks of nolva and clomid. This has been tried and true. But I'm wondering if there was a better way.
g mac said:Could you comment on the first paragraph of this summary below as it relates to shorter cycles using moderate compound dosages? Also do you agree with the second paragraph? I am trying to reason where users cross the threshold and usage of hcg becomes imperative to recovery. Also, I'm trying to assess the point that hcg is being overused in cycles that are long and highly dosed and standard protocol would require its use to begin with.
Leydig Cell Desensitization:
Leydig cell desensitization does in fact occur to some degree with prolonged or high dose HCG usage. Using it continuously during a cycle could possibly cause the LH receptor to desensitize which in turn would ultimately render the PCT to be either less effective or possibly useless. This seems counterproductive. HCG will not be needed on cycles where the proper ancillaries are used and where the dosages/durations are realistic.
The previous summary was a general statement. The reality and good news is that Leydig cell desensitization due to HCG usage is blocked and/or minimized by Nolvadex. This occurs by suppressing HCG's ability to inhibit the conversion of 17 alpha hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone.