4th cycle advice

[Sinister613]

Hi everyone, nice to be hear. Long time reading but decided to start posting more. I am just in planning mode for 4th cycle. Stats are 25 years old, 235 around 16% bf and 6'2".

History:

Started training in 2005 and been at it ever since. Rotator injury in 2010 sucked but back on the wagon and only minimal discomfort in a few exercises now.

Cycle 1: 500 mg test e EW x 12 weeks + m1t for first 4 weeks (don't recall dosage)

Cycle 2: 500 mg test e EW x 12 weeks + 50 mg ED dbol for first 4 weeks

Cycle 3: 600 mg test e EW x 16 weeks + 400 mg deca EW for 12 weeks + 100 mg anadrol ED for first 4 weeks

Felt UNREAL on the 3rd one. No real sides besides some lethargy in the evening for the first part of the cycle but otherwise felt like a GOD. No anger issues, headaches, or anything like that. Got up to 265 nice and thick.

My goals have changed since then. I used to be all about pure mass and overall size. Now I want to see lean gains with minimal bloat and great hardness. (doesn't everyone?)

Anyways, I like simple cycles with long esters for less pinning. I'd like to stick with test E at 600 mg EW for 16 weeks and run another injectable alongside with a kick starter oral.

What would you all recommend to add alongside? I have always been afraid of tren but am starting to think it might be the way to go.

Thanks!

 

[b3tw33n_th3_buri3d_and_m3]

well the best for cutting injectable would be tren, but they say it is unwise to use the enanthate ester your first time, so if you could pin tren ace every other day that would be the best bet. u said you didnt have a lot of sides with test, deca, and anadrol so i am pretty sure you can handle tren. other injectable options for cutting would be winstrol, masteron, or primobolan. then orals would be anavar, winstol, or maybe halo. remember cutting will depend a lot on your diet tho.

 

[Sinister613]

Thanks for advice but let me clarify, not a cutting cycle just looking for leaner gains this time not all out mass/size.

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[joeblow12345]

If your afraid of Tren, equipoise is a nice addition, you can also run some mast e. For orals I would kick start with tbol and finish with var or winny. But, winny is rough on the joints.

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[Sinister613]

I was always under the impression that tren was king of injectables and not something most could handle. I had no problems with any of the aforementioned products I used but always carried that feeling of tren. I think I could probably squeeze some great results out of test E + (something not tren) and keep tren for a cycle down the road. Also, from what I understand, I am not low enough bf % to add in mast.

I was also thinking of trying tbol as I've heard not as dramatic gains as anadrol but easier to keep and better quality gains. And you think var is a good way to end a cycle?

 

[dylangemelli]

I was always under the impression that tren was king of injectables and not something most could handle. I had no problems with any of the aforementioned products I used but always carried that feeling of tren. I think I could probably squeeze some great results out of test E + (something not tren) and keep tren for a cycle down the road. Also, from what I understand, I am not low enough bf % to add in mast.

I was also thinking of trying tbol as I've heard not as dramatic gains as anadrol but easier to keep and better quality gains. And you think var is a good way to end a cycle?

your body fat is way too high to even consider running mast bro but you already know that... here's what i would recommend for you...

test e
tbol kick start first 4 weeks...
primo
anavar on the back end, last 6 weeks...

im not a big fan of eq at all... you would have to run it 16 weeks for best results... primo at least 14 weeks but 16 would be optimal but gains will be awesome on it...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I hate EQ, but I don;t believe you need to stay on Primo for so long. It makes no sense. Sure, the gains seem slow, but they're every bit as good as test, but without the immediate size gain from water retention. And they're solid.

Staying on something for more than 16 weeks will shut you down pretty hard.

 

[dylangemelli]

I hate EQ, but I don;t believe you need to stay on Primo for so long. It makes no sense. Sure, the gains seem slow, but they're every bit as good as test, but without the immediate size gain from water retention. And they're solid. Staying on something for more than 16 weeks will shut you down pretty hard.

i know your not a fan of running primo that long nelson but i think we can both agree that primo results are fantastic if you get quality primo... i do definitely agree that anything over 16 weeks is much too long... and im just not a fan of eq either...

 

[kc17]

If you are set on running that cycle so long then throw EQ in there for 14 wks @ 600 mg it fits your goal and if u want an oral too throw in tbol as a kickstart that will be a very nice cycle.

 

[joeblow12345]

I was always under the impression that tren was king of injectables and not something most could handle. I had no problems with any of the aforementioned products I used but always carried that feeling of tren. I think I could probably squeeze some great results out of test E + (something not tren) and keep tren for a cycle down the road. Also, from what I understand, I am not low enough bf % to add in mast.

I was also thinking of trying tbol as I've heard not as dramatic gains as anadrol but easier to keep and better quality gains. And you think var is a good way to end a cycle?

I missed the 16% bf, and mast won't make a difference that high. If your going to run a long cycle eq is what I'd use, a shorter run primo is great, but expensive. Eq is dirt cheap and works well at 16-18 weeks. It depends on your budget really, if you got the money primo, test, and var is awesome lean cycle. A cheaper option is test, eq, tbol, maybe winny as a finisher. And var is a great finisher as well, but pricey. Tbol is awesome, you make nice gains with no bloat. When you do decide to run Tren you'll understand what all the hype is about. It really is king and nothing I've used comes close. It's on a whole different level.

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[Sinister613]

So 1-16 test e @ 600 mg/week in 2 doses
Tren a @ 300 mg/week eod
Tbol @ ? For a kicker or finisher?

Also how long for tren a? 10 weeks?

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[joeblow12345]

Id run the tren 10 weeks and use tbol as a kicker and finisher. Id go 60mg day 1-4, and 12-16. Or use var as a finisher at 80mg day. But its expensive, go buy how deep your pockets are.

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[Sinister613]

Ok and run the tren a weeks 4-14 or 6-16?

Ill look around before asking about pct yet.
Thanks

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[joeblow12345]

Tren 1-10. You want to finish it earlier than the test to allow it time to clear your system before going into pct.

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