45 yrs young 2nd cycle.. lessons learned

[gazhh]

1st cycle 8mths ago was sus 350, 1 shot every 5 days for 10wks, gains were ok no sides. i,m 5ft 5 , started at 143lbs gained 17, bf% went from 19 to 15%. PCT was poor, didn,t eat enough, relied too much on shakes, although i did eat clean, with maybe 1 cheat day every 7 days or so, overtrained but still enjoyed it. Am now at 10st 12lbs as of today and look ok but nowt special and have kept up training with no juice since finishing my 1st cycle..... Want to start next week , and going to do Cypionate 300 only.. 1cc every 6 days for 10wks. i have arimidex on hand if needed, fish oils multi vit, milk thistle wont hurt i suppose, decent Whey protein and some Nolvadex/ clomid, all on hand. Definitely have the diet more dialled in due to research done.. starting PCT 2wks after last shot using clomid and feel i need something else to run alongside for PCT... this is where i need help..... want to keep my gains this time!! ... Regards and thx in Advance

 

[stevesmi]

you were 143pounds before cycle for a reason. even if you run a cycle and run a great PCT, you won't keep anything if you do not know how to workout and eat.

so this isn't what you want to hear, but my advice is to put on mass naturally.. learn how to workout. and then once you build a base jump on to get yourself to the next level.

there are hundreds of threads like this on here from guys who have zero base and decide to jump on, and then get poor results and wonder why.

 

[gazhh]

Many thanks sir for your advice and quick response.. i do feel i have educated myself as regards my nutrition and training.. but i will take your advice on board, obviously need to eat more and gain a few more pounds naturally as you specify. i would like to run the Cypionate i,m getting in 2 days time at some point. Thank you again.. Regards

 

[kc17]

check this site .. fitday.com.... track your daily calories intake an take it from there...

 

[gazhh]

Thank you Kc .. if i were to learn more, and say 12/16 wks time think about using Test C alone say 10/12 wks? would i be good to go.. regards

 

[RADAR]

Thank you Kc .. if i were to learn more, and say 12/16 wks time think about using Test C alone say 10/12 wks? would i be good to go.. regards

Right now ,you're not ready,when you are i would shoot 2 cc's every 6 days for a total of 600week.

and Forma stanazol thru the cycle into PCT should suffice.

Now Having said that

You need to build a foundation,train balls to the wall
and to feed that hard work ,Read this thread by me.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html

 

[gazhh]

Many thanks RADAR, i respect your knowledge and advice.. i can get Forma.. would a clomid only PCT suffice since i,d be using the Forma stanazol on cycle? i will wait a while, and thanks again

 

[RADAR]

Many thanks RADAR, i respect your knowledge and advice.. i can get Forma.. would a clomid only PCT suffice since i,d be using the Forma stanazol on cycle? i will wait a while, and thanks again

Clomid stinks and plays with your emotions,run Forma for PCT
5 pumps AM ...5 pumps PM.

 

[gazhh]

Excellent, Thank you very much.... don,t mean to go on and on with this thread now you have kindly put me right, but would i use the same dose of Forma. 5 and 5 while on cycle? Thanks again and all the best

 

[Nelson Montana]

Keep the dex on hand during the cycle if you get estro sides and you can use a little for PCT when doing a sot of HCG. Follow with UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. Like Radar said, Clomid meses with your mood and doesn't work very well anyway. You do not need nolvadex unless you get gyno.