3rd Cycle idea... Vets??

[Dooley]

This will be my third cycle, my first was 500mg test cyp/wk. Second was 50mg's var/day for about 5 weeks. And here is my third idea.

I'm not super familiar with primo, but to my knowledge, longer cycles aren't a problem.

Weeks 1-10 (or maybe 12) 400mg/wk Primo
Weeks 1-3 and 7-10 (or 9-12) 35mg/wk BD Var (total of 6 weeks)

I realize it's not going to be cheap, that's not an issue. I've been curious about this combo for a while now because of the low sides and lack of need for PCT.

I figured that the primo being a mild androgenic and the var being a mild anabolic would be a potent and slow, yet quality combo. I'm just looking to see if I have made a ludicrous decision, or if I've thought this out pretty well at this point.

Personal stats are 23 years old, 6'2" 200lbs even, roughly 10-13% bodyfat.

 

[little chris]

That would be a quality lean mass cycle. With a good diet expect rock hard results.

 

[Dooley]

Well.. fortunately.. I've just started working at home, so I'll be able to monitor and follow my diet to a "T". I guess a main question is.. if I run this for 12 weeks, and find that I'm getting remarkable results, with a bare minimum of sides.. would there be any reason I couldn't run it longer? I can't imagine there would be.. but there may be something unforeseen on my part.

 

[Dooley]

^ up

 

[Dooley]

I'm not getting much of a reply on this.. anyone else have any info?

 

[Mike P.T.]

That would be a quality lean mass cycle. With a good diet expect rock hard results.

Agreed.

 

[Dooley]

I must be ok to go with this one because I havn't heard anyone speak up negatively yet. I'll update stats once I get into the thick of it. Thanks Mike and Chris for your positive feedback.

 

[psychedout]

Looks good to me. I would keep it to 12 weeks max though.

 

[buckwheat1]

I realize it's not going to be cheap, that's not an issue. I've been curious about this combo for a while now because of the low sides and lack of need for PCT.

PCT still might be needed. Primo and anavar at the levels you mentioned will shut you down to a large degree so PCT should help you recover faster. I would just think it would be easier on the combo you suggested then something more harsh like tren or heavy test. I am still very new to this game so I am just echoing what have read from others.

Also, what was your results/experiences on the 5 week/ 50mg day ox? I plan on running 50mg/day in the future for 6 weeks.

 

[Dooley]

Thanks for your input bro. From what I've read.. Primo doesn't shut you down at all because it has no effect on hpta. Whether that's true or not.. who knows. But 400 mg's is considered the most effective minimum dose. So I can imagine that somewhere above that could cause some shut down. But if I'm running the minimum.. I'm hoping hpta won't be an issue.

The 50mg's/day of var worked awesome. It was so mild that I honestly didn't even notice I was on. However, my bodyfat decreased a bit, and my weight kept slowly rising and stayed there even after I was off. I'd say I gained a good 10-15 keepable pounds. I ran no pct and had only like a 2 day stint of acne flare up on my shoulders that went away shortly thereafter. Hell.. if I had all the money in the world.. I'd just run var all day every day for the rest of my life. I HIGHLY suggest a solo run of it. VERY mild, and VERY effective.

 

[Dooley]

Just took some measurements for the fun of it and thought I'd share with anyone who's interested.

Chest = 42"
Quads = 24"
Upper arms = 16"
Forearms = 12 3/4"
Calves = 15 1/4"
Neck = 16"
Ankle = 10"
Wrist = 7"
Waist = 31 3/4"

 

[Dooley]

bump for more opinions and info.

I was told today that I should lower the primo to 200mg's/week, and run the var for the duration of the 10 or 12 weeks as the var will be more effective. Now I don't know what to do. I would like to run the var longer.. but is the primo really THAT ineffective??

 

[little chris]

your sizes aren't to off of mine, I'm 5'6 though.
Best thing to do here is run the primo at 400mg for 10-12 weeks and the var at 40mgs for 8 weeks.

 

[Dooley]

Awesome. Thanks Chris!! I was all set to run the primo at 400mg's week, and then I was told otherwise. The person that suggested it to me is a very respected board member at another site, but I still wasn't sure. I'm excited about the opportunity to run primo at length and throw a quality var that I already trust into the mix. Thanks again for your help!!!

 

[DaddyX]

that will shut you down, run some type of PCT

 

[little chris]

no prob, just run yourself some hcg at about 1500iu at week 6 or 7 and about a week after our last shot at the end of your cycle like week 13 & 14.

 

[Dooley]

Why do some people keep telling me that var will shut me down. I ran it at 50 mg's/wk with absolutely zero reprocussions. I'll admit I don't truly know if primo inhibits hpta, but from what I've read it shouldn't be an issue at 400mg's/week. Anyone else have any input on pct for primo and var? I have no problem running some hcg, but is there a need for anything other than that??

Thanks again!!

 

[Dooley]

^

 

[buckwheat1]

Why do some people keep telling me that var will shut me down. I ran it at 50 mg's/wk with absolutely zero reprocussions. I'll admit I don't truly know if primo inhibits hpta, but from what
Thanks again!!

It is hard to believe the running 400mg primo and ox will not suppress your HPTA to a large degree over a 12 week period. THere is another thread that shows a study where there was a marked decrease in testosterone with only a 15mg/day of ox after only 5 days or something. So your HPTA is effected. The question is how fast your HPTA recovers back to normal. Without blood tests this is hard to determine when things are back to normal. You only have how you feel.

I would suggest running the standard PCT. Its cheap insurance. Keep us posted.

 

[DaddyX]

It is hard to believe the running 400mg primo and ox will not suppress your HPTA to a large degree over a 12 week period. THere is another thread that shows a study where there was a marked decrease in testosterone with only a 15mg/day of ox after only 5 days or something. So your HPTA is effected. The question is how fast your HPTA recovers back to normal. Without blood tests this is hard to determine when things are back to normal. You only have how you feel.

I would suggest running the standard PCT. Its cheap insurance. Keep us posted.

here it is http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705/F3

 

[nsashbl01]

Ok Dooley, I'm just finishing my Primo/Var stack. I chose this stack because I have some shoulder issues and am afraid fast gains will be detrimental to them.

My cycle consisted of 400mg/wk Primo, and 40mg/ed Var. I was going to run for 10 weeks, but I was still seeing gains at 10, so I extended it. I did my last shot at 12 weeks, and am cutting the var down to 20mg/ed for 2 weeks. Pct to follow. I can tell ya that the Primo takes a while to kick, and it don't knock your socks off. It doesn't seem to plateau though, I still have small gains after 12 weeks! I have to re-measure, but I gained at least 8lbs I believe and have less bodyfat. I'll take some updated pics and post soon. I posted some a few weeks ago, and I know I made gains since then. The only sides I have are mild acne / oily skin. Not terrible, but I never get zits so it bothers me.

This is a very expensive cycle, but well worth it if you can afford it. Hit me with questions if ya have any.

Nsashbl

 

[Dooley]

Excellent replies bros! I will make sure and follow up with a standard clomid pct. nsash, considering neither compounds are particularly long acting esters.. when do you plan to begin pct?

Thanks again for the input fellas.. I'm glad I got this all cleared up before it was too late! Much abliged, and I'll keep everyone posted of my progress once I begin.

 

[BIGNUTT]

Ok, I am interested in Anavar and Primo, can either be stacked with test? I need to lose BF bad, but of course gain muscle.

What is PCT?

 

[Dooley]

pct = post cycle therapy.

 

[buckwheat1]

Excellent replies bros! I will make sure and follow up with a standard clomid pct. nsash, considering neither compounds are particularly long acting esters.. when do you plan to begin pct?

posted of my progress once I begin.

Start PCT roughly 2 weeks after your last shot.

 

[nsashbl01]

I am going to start clomid 2 weeks after my last shot, and 1 day after my last var dose. I may also do a hcg shot or two. I don't notice any major atrophy, but figure hcg will be nice insurance.

To answer Bignut, yes Primo and var stack well with Test. Assuming my shoulder is doing ok, I may do var/test/primo in Feb. I will use the var to kick while waiting for the Test and or Primo. I don't want any of the bol sides, so I'll sub var. Well see though. I want to minimize shots because I seem to build up scar tissue in my ass easily. So I'm going to have to plan a low ml cycle.