3rd cycle advice plz! |-|===|---

[DaveTSI]

Im taking the low sides decent gains approach here..

Sus250 250mg E3D 6wks
Var 50-100mg ed 8wks (whatever i can afford by then)
liquidex .5mg eod
nolva 20mg ed
dutasteride ?? gotta research a little more

hcg and nolva pct


I finished a 12 weeker about 2-3 months ago and it wasnt worth the sides i got, still dealing with bad hairloss and bad acne. Didnt really get the gains i thought i would for the cycle either, so this time im trying a short cycle.

looking to go from 187-190 to 195-200 solid while losing bf get down to around 8% from 11-12 im sitting at now. also im going to take my first shot at a PL meet while im on this cycle.

does proviron have a place in this cycle? possibly in the place of liquidex? anyways what do you guys think?

 

[Goldprospector]

Bro my best cycle to date was my 4th. 10 weeks with 300 test and 300 deca E4D. I had the best lean gains as any cycle that I have ran. Zero sides and the great recovery time, which I think is directly due to using HCG throughout the cycle starting in the third week! Eat clean and do some cardio and you will like the gains and strength.

 

[evander1972]

I would run sus a little longer than that, Maybe 10 weeks. I dont know how long it takes to work for you but if your like me itll be week 4 or 5. Other than that yeh.

 

[DaveTSI]

yeah like i said before i didnt like the sides i got from my 12 weeker, i dont think 10 would be any different. i dont respond (side effects wise) well to test. first cycle was sus and i loved the results, didnt really get bad sides with it at 7wks. did hcg this past cycle and it made a world of difference in my recovery. thanks guys, k coming your way.

 

[Outtlaw]

I wouldnt run that much nolva unless you really needed it. Other than that I might think about doing 7wks of the sust.

 

[DaveTSI]

and extending the var to 9 wks then straight to pct correct? so no time where im off before i hit the hcg. i guess nolva eod will work, or keep it on hand at least, that gets expensive!

 

[LVTitan]

yeah like i said before i didnt like the sides i got from my 12 weeker, i dont think 10 would be any different. i dont respond (side effects wise) well to test. first cycle was sus and i loved the results, didnt really get bad sides with it at 7wks. did hcg this past cycle and it made a world of difference in my recovery. thanks guys, k coming your way.

i think that amount of test is heavy , especially considering the sides you get. stick to maybe 250mg e4d and remember that enth/cyp will take longer so a 6 week cycle might be a little short. try it for 8 weeks

you run a diamond star ?

 

[Goldprospector]

yeah like i said before i didnt like the sides i got from my 12 weeker, i dont think 10 would be any different. i dont respond (side effects wise) well to test. first cycle was sus and i loved the results, didnt really get bad sides with it at 7wks. did hcg this past cycle and it made a world of difference in my recovery. thanks guys, k coming your way.

Ket me get this straight, you say your first cycle was great without any sides....and you used Sust, Correct?
But you don't want to used Test because of bad sides?
Now that explains everything!

 

[DaveTSI]

i think that amount of test is heavy , especially considering the sides you get. stick to maybe 250mg e4d and remember that enth/cyp will take longer so a 6 week cycle might be a little short. try it for 8 weeks

you run a diamond star ?

im not sure what you mean about the test being heavy. You mean the 500wk i plan on now or my previous cycle? im planning on running sus, not enan or cyp. And yeah DSM's FOR LIFE BABY. If you know what a DSM is i guess that means you got one eh?

 

[LVTitan]

im not sure what you mean about the test being heavy. You mean the 500wk i plan on now or my previous cycle? im planning on running sus, not enan or cyp. And yeah DSM's FOR LIFE BABY. If you know what a DSM is i guess that means you got one eh?

remember that test is test. sust is test. sust is a mixture of long esters and short esters.. it has prop and 3 others , one is medium and the others are very comparable to enth and cyp. keep that in mind.

no i dont have a dsm but i have tuned many in my day. i have built many tuners mostly out the big H camp but i do all sorts of forced induction wizardry..
you FWD or AWD ?

 

[DaveTSI]

i understand what u mean now. but if i only run it 6 weeks the long esters will have 2 extra weeks to take effect cause im running var up till pct in week 8, maybe i should hold pct off till week 9 and run the var a little longer (up to nine).

AWD, though ive had two awd's and two fwd's. ill never go back to FWD. Now i am building a 93 tsi awd auto i got from the orig. owner with only 44000 miles on it! rare find. I am swapping it to manual and stroking the 4g63 to 2.3L. my last talon was a good solid 11 sec car, this one is going 10's. what kinda work u done?

 

[LVTitan]

i understand what u mean now. but if i only run it 6 weeks the long esters will have 2 extra weeks to take effect cause im running var up till pct in week 8, maybe i should hold pct off till week 9 and run the var a little longer (up to nine).

AWD, though ive had two awd's and two fwd's. ill never go back to FWD. Now i am building a 93 tsi awd auto i got from the orig. owner with only 44000 miles on it! rare find. I am swapping it to manual and stroking the 4g63 to 2.3L. my last talon was a good solid 11 sec car, this one is going 10's. what kinda work u done?

my latest 'personal' ride was a91 crx si with turbo single cam, ran in the 13's on stock motor , then swapped in a b16 nat aspirate to stay in high 13's with high compression. i love forced inductionthough. my best bud is dana westover who builds some of the fastes supras in the country.
yeah run the var a little longer and u should be golden.
have a full size titian right now, getting ready to go turbo on it. sick.

 

[black sheep]

You'll be stopping the sust a couple weeks after it really starts kicking in. To me this cycle is a waste.

If you want a short test cycle run prop for 6 weeks 100mg EOD. And do you think you need 100mg of var ED? I think the 50mg ed is more than sufficient.

 

[DaveTSI]

lv titan my cousin has one of those titans, badass truck bro. what turbo(s) are you putting on it.

black sheep, i may try prop. the last time i tried it though, terrible test flu and the injection hurt so bad. maybe it was the brand though, not cause it was prop. And no, i dont need 100mg of var, but why not? I probably wont be able to afford that much anyways lol.

 

[black sheep]

lv titan my cousin has one of those titans, badass truck bro. what turbo(s) are you putting on it.

black sheep, i may try prop. the last time i tried it though, terrible test flu and the injection hurt so bad. maybe it was the brand though, not cause it was prop. And no, i dont need 100mg of var, but why not? I probably wont be able to afford that much anyways lol.

Yeah, 100mg of var ed for 8 weeks means you will need 5.6 grams of var. I know better than to post prices, but that is a $$$ cycle of var!

As for the Prop, try Syrus if you can get your hands on it. It hurt a lot less than mexi prop, that is for sure.

 

[DaveTSI]

i was thinking viramone, kinda expensive but heard great things. do you have experience with syrus prop? ive tried their eq and it was great.

 

[LVTitan]

lv titan my cousin has one of those titans, badass truck bro. what turbo(s) are you putting on it.

black sheep, i may try prop. the last time i tried it though, terrible test flu and the injection hurt so bad. maybe it was the brand though, not cause it was prop. And no, i dont need 100mg of var, but why not? I probably wont be able to afford that much anyways lol.

i'm going to be runnng 50mg ed of var with my next cycle of primo. and yeah, it's gonna be a pricey fucking cycle !!
not sure yet what size turbo(s) going with yet, my buddy builds full race kits for supras for a living and he is gonna do all the planning and instal on it. i may go single or dual not sure yet.

 

[DaveTSI]

i want to run primo so bad, but my hair would all fall out. oh well.
go twin turbo, major pain in the ass to single turbo a v8.

Anyone else have any opinions? viramone? sus? omna? syrus prop?

 

[UA_Iron]

i want to run primo so bad, but my hair would all fall out. oh well.
go twin turbo, major pain in the ass to single turbo a v8.

Anyone else have any opinions? viramone? sus? omna? syrus prop?

how about a NPP and test prop cycle? you could run dostinex at .5mg e4d, arimidex at 0.5mg eod.

PCT run HCG + nolva and you should bounce back quick!

 

[Paulo]

I hear NPP/Var is an excellent combo...

 

[LVTitan]

how about a NPP and test prop cycle? you could run dostinex at .5mg e4d, arimidex at 0.5mg eod.

PCT run HCG + nolva and you should bounce back quick!

this sounds like such an awesome cycle to me. i deca, my next cycle is planned for primo/var, but just put my truck in the shop and wallet took a huge beating i may end up doing primo/npp or even just a npp/var cycle. i'm just trying to stay away from test.