2nd cycle - Test + Tbol

[sPHERE]

Hi all!

After almost 2years of natural training since my first cycle, Im now planning my 2nd cycle which I plan to do in a few months. Im not even sure Im gonna do it tho, but I would like some feedback on this anyway.

My goal would be to up my strenght and bulk up some.

Week 1 (frontload)
500mg test mon/thurs
50mg tbol ED

Week 2-4:
250mg test mon/thurs
50mg tbol ED

Week 4-6:

250mg test mon/thurs
40mg tbol ED

Week 6-12:
250mg test mon/thurs

PCT starting week 15 (4weeks):

60mg Nolva, 1mg Ari ED for the first 4 days, then:
40mg Nolva, 0.25mg Ari ED + the next 3 weeks


To sum it all up, I would frontload with 1g test the first week, and then 500mg test/week and 50mg tbol, for the first 4weeks, then taper off with 40mg from week 4-6, before I stop the tbol, and only do 500mg test for the rest of the cycle.


Is this a OK cycle?

Stats:
22years
85kg

Been doing powerlifting since the age of 14.

My first cycle was 500mg test for 10weeks, did wonders for me.

 

[BodyByTren]

Hi all!

After almost 2years of natural training since my first cycle, Im now planning my 2nd cycle which I plan to do in a few months. Im not even sure Im gonna do it tho, but I would like some feedback on this anyway.

My goal would be to up my strenght and bulk up some.

Week 1 (frontload)
500mg test mon/thurs
50mg tbol ED

Week 2-4:
250mg test mon/thurs
50mg tbol ED

Week 4-6:

250mg test mon/thurs
40mg tbol ED

Week 6-12:
250mg test mon/thurs

PCT starting week 15 (4weeks):

60mg Nolva, 1mg Ari ED for the first 4 days, then:
40mg Nolva, 0.25mg Ari ED + the next 3 weeks


To sum it all up, I would frontload with 1g test the first week, and then 500mg test/week and 50mg tbol, for the first 4weeks, then taper off with 40mg from week 4-6, before I stop the tbol, and only do 500mg test for the rest of the cycle.


Is this a OK cycle?

Stats:
22years
85kg

Been doing powerlifting since the age of 14.

My first cycle was 500mg test for 10weeks, did wonders for me.

Did you run PCT w/ it?

You seem to be pretty knowledgable!

 

[EZ_E]

1g of test for a 2nd cycle is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much and not necessary, more isn't always better..

What's your height and weight?


~EZ

 

[lander2312]

I dontt know about the frontload thing...some swear by it others dont. IF you like it then cool. Most say that tbol quits working after the 4th week....it actually tapers off middle of 3rd. So with that said i would take it just weeks 1-4. Tbol is great though...you will love it.

 

[sPHERE]

Did you run PCT w/ it?

You seem to be pretty knowledgable!

Yes, I did run PCT. I spent hundreds of hours reading and educating myself before I eventually shot my first shot.

My PCT was nolva only, no arimidex and such, but better safe than sorry, so I'll go with arimidex this time, just to be on the safe side. Dont get me wrong though, I recovered with no problems.

And to the one that said that 1g test is way too much for a 2nd cycle: Its not 1g test throughout the whole cycle, it's just the first week as a frontloader to kickstart the cycle!

Thanks for all your comments though! Maybe I'll just do Tbol for the first 4 weeks!

 

[hesnobradpitt]

It is a good cycle mate just dont front load you got your tbol to kick it of nice .



Brad.

 

[RADAR]

Agree with Brad ,frontloading is useless ,you got turnabol to do that for you.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

Brad has it figured out, front loading is not needed the tbol will give you a good kick start.

 

[sPHERE]

Okay, thanks for your advice!! I will skip the frontload! thanks all

 

[sPHERE]

Okay, so I've done some changes to my upcoming cycle. I will skip the frontload, and do 500mg test/week for 12 weeks. But I was wondering, would 60mg T-bol be too much for a 2nd cycle? Was thinking of reducing the Tbol from 6 to 4weeks, but then up the dose from 50 to 60mg. Thoughts?

 

[wootoom]

Looks good, i dont think you need a gram of test a week though....

 

[sPHERE]

But do you guys think of doing 60mg Tbol for the first 4weeks instead of 40-50?

 

[sPHERE]

Also, forgot to mention, Im changing my PCT to Nolva: 40/40/20/20 and 12.5mg Aromasin ed/4weeks. Had second thoughts on running the nolva as high as 60mg for a light cycle like this. So heres how it looks now:

Week 1-4 60mg Tbol/ed
Week 1-12 500mg Test/ew
Week 15-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20, Aromasin 12.5mg/ed

Looks clean now

 

[wootoom]

Do 60mg/ed

 

[sPHERE]

Thx Will do!

 

[sPHERE]

One more question: My plan was to save dbol for a later cycle, but I was thinking: Since tbol is over twice the price of dbol where Im at, i was wondering if I should do dbol+aromasin/arimidex instead of the tbol? How would they compare? As in, tbol vs dbol+AI ? My goal is to NOT bloat as much as I know Im gonna do if I do the dbol without an AI, but I still want some solid gains.

 

[sPHERE]

Anyone?

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Stick with 60 mg tbol , I prefer it over dbol for this cycle .

Brad.

 

[sPHERE]

Roger! It stays at Tbol then

 

[sPHERE]

Okay, so I'm planning what supplements I should go with during the cycle. For now, this is the list:

Glutamine
Creatine Mono (from week 1-6, and 13-18)
Omega 3-6-9
Multivitamins/minerals
Protein
Carbs

Any other supps that can be nice during the cycle?

And yes, these are the suppliments Im currently using.

I know I prolly should go with some LIV52 or some kind of Liver support too..

 

[d_rson]

I'd do 60mg if running with test for 4 weeks. And no Arimidex in PCT or you'll get an estrogen rebound after. See Radar's post for a good PCT.

 

[sPHERE]

Yeah but I'm not running Arimidex as PCT, Im using Aromasin and Nolva.. But will check it out!

 

[Dogfox]

Id almost be inclined to extend the pct a little, but thats just me. Try adding unleashed to your cycle at 6 caps a day and if you wnt in pct too

For the pct you have right now Id throw in some sustain alpha and drop that nolva to 20/20/10/10 or ad clomid in its place at 50/50/25/25.

id also only use the tbol for 4 weeks. As it appears to lose effectiveness past that rather rapidly.

and if no1s already mentioned it add HCG @ 250 ius twice weeks 5-10ish

my 2 cents

 

[sPHERE]

Thanks for you advice guys, but I dont think Im gonna switch over to Clomid, as Nolva is much better at a lower dosage than clomid.
And about the HCG. Is it really nescessary on such a "light" cycle? I mean, Tbol has shown to very gentle when it comes to recovering, but I guess it couldn't hurt. So 250ui twice a week from week 5-10?

 

[d_rson]

Yeah but I'm not running Arimidex as PCT, Im using Aromasin and Nolva.. But will check it out!

You posted this:
60mg nolva, 1mg Ari ED for the first 4 days, then:
40mg nolva, 0.25mg Ari ED + the next 3 weeks

That's Arimidex. Aromasin is not "Ari" and is in 20mgto 25mg dosages.
I don't like running Aromasin all the way through PCT because it will really dry you out at the end. I think it's better in the beginning of PCT.

Week 10, last shot of test.
Week 11, 25mg aromasin ED
Week 12, 12.5mg aromasin ED
Week 12 - 15 Unleashed
Week 12 - 15 Sustain Alpha

You can add nolva in PCT if you like, but I don't use it anymore. Aromasin in PCT provides much better performance over nolva in all factors (estrogen control and test production).

 

[sPHERE]

Also, forgot to mention, Im changing my PCT to Nolva: 40/40/20/20 and 12.5mg Aromasin ed/4weeks. Had second thoughts on running the nolva as high as 60mg for a light cycle like this. So heres how it looks now:

Week 1-4 60mg Tbol/ed
Week 1-12 500mg Test/ew
Week 15-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20, Aromasin 12.5mg/ed

Looks clean now

Sorry I didn't edit the first page, just a simple misunderstanding

 

[Dogfox]

Thanks for you advice guys, but I dont think Im gonna switch over to Clomid, as Nolva is much better at a lower dosage than clomid.
And about the HCG. Is it really nescessary on such a "light" cycle? I mean, Tbol has shown to very gentle when it comes to recovering, but I guess it couldn't hurt. So 250ui twice a week from week 5-10?

yeah 5-10's good - itll help you recover easier and keep your boys in check

the aromasin pct above looks weak to me.

Look into cycle assist or cycle support on cycle and during pct. Tht with some fish oils and a gallon H20 a day. oh and a multi - most probably orange triad as its got a good joint support in it too (im using it right now and its working nicely for my murdered shoulder).

Then just get your diet in check and youll have a pretty nice cycle

 

[sPHERE]

yeah 5-10's good - itll help you recover easier and keep your boys in check

the aromasin pct above looks weak to me.

Look into cycle assist or cycle support on cycle and during pct. Tht with some fish oils and a gallon H20 a day. oh and a multi - most probably orange triad as its got a good joint support in it too (im using it right now and its working nicely for my murdered shoulder).

Then just get your diet in check and youll have a pretty nice cycle

Weak? How can that be weak? Im sorry, but isn't nolva ALONE normally considered an "ok" pct for a cycle of just plain Test? Worked wonders for me in my first cycle anyway. And since Tbol is such a mild steroid, with weak impact on the bodys testosterone production, I was thinking that aromasin will be plenty enough with nolva, since it's so god damn good at inhibiting aromatase and the fact that it is a Type 1 inhibitor, so it wont mess up with the nolva.

If you could explain a little more in detail, that would be great as Im still trying to learn as much as possible.

 

[eClenbuterol]

60 is pushing it, i like 40 and running it the 6 weeks better

 

[d_rson]

60 is pushing it, i like 40 and running it the 6 weeks better

The reason I say 60 is two fold - one, tbol is quite mild on side effects - IMHO milder than even var - var kills my cholesterol as it does most people. Tbol is mild on my cholesterol - max 15 point drop in HDL every time I have run it. The only side effect I get from tbol is dose-dependent heartburn, sometmes very bad. That's it. Second reason is tbol loses it's effectiveness at 4 weeks. Anecdotally, this seems to be the case with almost everyone - you either have to up the dose, or jump off, as gain taper or disappear at 4 weeks.

So my opinion is get on the tbol hard, and get off - not crazy, but a little higher than 40mg...but, I think 40mg will work too.

 

[Dogfox]

Weak? How can that be weak? Im sorry, but isn't nolva ALONE normally considered an "ok" pct for a cycle of just plain Test? Worked wonders for me in my first cycle anyway. And since Tbol is such a mild steroid, with weak impact on the bodys testosterone production, I was thinking that aromasin will be plenty enough with nolva, since it's so god damn good at inhibiting aromatase and the fact that it is a Type 1 inhibitor, so it wont mess up with the nolva.

If you could explain a little more in detail, that would be great as Im still trying to learn as much as possible.

Use an Ai if you feel your susceptible to an estrogen rage, and probably go for topical formestane as itll spare the liver.

Nolva or clomid at a mod/low dose tapered raises endogenous T rather significantly so i always think why not utilize them.
Sustain alphas pretty nice.

hcg on cycle will mean that you wont have a mountain to climb at your pct. and the standard 4 weeks pct seems a bit strange to me as there are varying amounts of shut down. And a 10+ weeker imo calls for 5 weeks pct. Any more than 12 and you may as well just cruise and get out of the closet

 

[sPHERE]

Yeah will propably run HCG from week 5-10 and then 4 week pct 2 weeks after the last injection of test, so I dont need to run the PCT for more than 4 weeks.