2nd Cycle opinions and feedback appriciated

[thetan]

Hi guys been reading this forum for awhile so thought its about time to get active on the boards.

A bit about me:
1st Cycle was just Test E 500mg/week 12 weeks
Arimidex .5 EOD week 2-14
HCG 500iu for 10 days 3 days after last pin of test
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Got some acne from the cycle which cleared up 1 month after PCT

Also have been on Serostim HGH for 6 months at 3iu 6/1 off cycle and 5iu 6/1 on cycle

STATS
Age: 23
Height: 165cm
Weight: 73kg
BF: ~10%
Training decently for past 2 years. Stopped for 3 months due to injury

2nd Cycle plan:
Test Cyp/Tren Ace 12 week cycle
Wk 1-12 Test Cyp 500mg Mon/Thur
Wk 6-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
HCG 500iu 2x per week (not sure when to start this)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT
Clomid 75/50/25/25
Also have nolva on hand if required

Will be continuing HGH for 12-18 months

Unfortunately currently living in Philippines so some gear that ive read about such as unleashed, hcgenerate and daa isn't available to me.

If any of the experienced members could comment on this and give advise regarding the use of HCG on cycle and if i should continue the tren for 6 weeks instead of 4 weeks. Also if my PCT will be sufficient or needs adjusting.

Thanks in advance

TheTan

 

[Jbranken]

I'm confused.. Why are you using hgh at 23?? Also, Tren is a bit advanced for a second cycle. Have you considered something less harsh like eq or primo with an oral like dbol, Tbol, var etc

 

[EZ_E]

HGH @ 23??? Why?

How long ago did your 3 month break end? If you say anything less than 6 months, hold off on a cycle for now...

I agree on keeping the tren on the shelf for the future...

Do a search on PCT on this site, there are a lot of new school options even living in South East Asia...

And welcome to EF.............

~EZ

 

[Svenman19]

Just run your test and try an oral kick start man

 

[thetan]

Thanks for the input gents

Yeah I know HGH at my age is odd but it just feels so damn good haha.
My 3 month break from injury was over a year ago, before I started the HGH and first cycle.
I find it difficult to hurt myself now that im on HGH. And when I do feel like an injury coming on it seems to heal in a matter of days I guess thanks to the HGH.

Instead of tren I could go Test Cyp / EQ 12 Weeks...

Wk 1-12 Test Cyp 500mg/Week Mon/Thur
Wk 1-12 EQ 400mg/Week Mon/Thur
Wk 2-14 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Wk 4-14 HCG 500iu 2x Per Week

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25

Please correct me on my HCG dosage and timing if im wrong.

 

[EZ_E]

I like that cycle better but I would definitely beef up the PCT...

What can you get where you are besides clomid?

~EZ

 

[thetan]

The only items available to me locally are nolva and clomid. I'm still looking around for a site that would be willing to ship to me from overseas but no luck yet.

Do you think 500iu 2x weekly of HCG is too much? I read others only using 250iu 2x per week. And is wk 4-14 correct for HCG usage?

 

[NegroPops]

You may want to run Test and EQ a bit longer than 12 weeks. And I would lower the test and up the EQ. Also I think you could benefit from adding an oral to the start.. something like dbol or tbol.

As far as HCG.. I start it 4 weeks before PCT. I go 250 iu twice per week for 2 weeks, then bump to 500 iu twice per week the next 2 weeks. HCG can become counter predictive if you run it too long.

Keep looking for what products you can get PCT wise. Clomid is a good base, I would add an AI like arimidex to it. I am pretty sure you can get D-AA easily, even living where you are.

I would set the cycle up like this:

1-16 Test E 250 mg/week
1-15 Equipose 600 mg/week
1-6 Tbol 60 mg/ed

1-16 Arimidex .5 mg eod

PCT
15-16 HCG 250 iu twice per week
17-18 HCG 500 iu twice per week

19-22 Clomid 50/50/25/25
19-22 Arimidex .5 mg eod
19-22 D-AA 3g ed

 

[thetan]

I found a way to get HCGenerate and UPSlabs DAA from USA. How would I incorporate the HCGenerate into the cycle?

Would it work if I did the following based on your suggestions coz my last cycle with test only gave me some pretty bad acne by week 12.

Wk 1-15 EQ 600mg/wk
Wk 4-16 Test Cyp 250mg/wk
Wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED

Wk 1-18 Aromisan 12.5mg EOD

Wk 15-16 HCG 250iu 2x per week
Wk 17-18 HCG 500iu 2x per week

PCT
Wk 19-22 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Wk 19-22 D-AA 3g ED

Now what I'm trying to work out, not from a lack of trying to search the forums, is if I can use HCGenerate together with HCG. If so I would add HCGenerate starting Wk 6-18.

Anyone with experience with this please comment.

 

[Jbranken]

Normally you would run hcgenerate on cycle and then blast hcg before pct. Since you're limited on pct products, I would use the hcgenerate in pct with your DAA. Could you get form stanzol for pct? If not, another a.i. Will do