2nd Cycle opinions and feedback appriciated

[thetan]

Hi guys been reading this forum for awhile so thought its about time to get active on the boards.

A bit about me:
1st Cycle was just Test E 500mg/week 12 weeks
Arimidex .5 EOD week 2-14
HCG 500iu for 10 days 3 days after last pin of test
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Got some acne from the cycle which cleared up 1 month after PCT

Also have been on Serostim HGH for 6 months at 3iu 6/1 off cycle and 5iu 6/1 on cycle

STATS
Age: 23
Height: 165cm
Weight: 73kg
BF: ~10%
Training decently for past 2 years. Stopped for 3 months due to injury

2nd Cycle plan:
Test Cyp/Tren Ace 12 week cycle
Wk 1-12 Test Cyp 500mg Mon/Thur
Wk 6-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
HCG 500iu 2x per week (not sure when to start this)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT
Clomid 75/50/25/25
Also have nolva on hand if required

Will be continuing HGH for 12-18 months

Unfortunately currently living in Philippines so some gear that ive read about such as unleashed, hcgenerate and daa isn't available to me.

If any of the experienced members could comment on this and give advise regarding the use of HCG on cycle and if i should continue the tren for 6 weeks instead of 4 weeks. Also if my PCT will be sufficient or needs adjusting.

Thanks in advance

TheTan

 

[Jbranken]

I'm confused.. Why are you using hgh at 23?? Also, Tren is a bit advanced for a second cycle. Have you considered something less harsh like eq or primo with an oral like dbol, Tbol, var etc

 

[EZ_E]

HGH @ 23??? Why?

How long ago did your 3 month break end? If you say anything less than 6 months, hold off on a cycle for now...

I agree on keeping the tren on the shelf for the future...

Do a search on PCT on this site, there are a lot of new school options even living in South East Asia...

And welcome to EF.............

~EZ

 

[Svenman19]

Just run your test and try an oral kick start man

 

[thetan]

Thanks for the input gents

Yeah I know HGH at my age is odd but it just feels so damn good haha.
My 3 month break from injury was over a year ago, before I started the HGH and first cycle.
I find it difficult to hurt myself now that im on HGH. And when I do feel like an injury coming on it seems to heal in a matter of days I guess thanks to the HGH.

Instead of tren I could go Test Cyp / EQ 12 Weeks...

Wk 1-12 Test Cyp 500mg/Week Mon/Thur
Wk 1-12 EQ 400mg/Week Mon/Thur
Wk 2-14 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Wk 4-14 HCG 500iu 2x Per Week

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25

Please correct me on my HCG dosage and timing if im wrong.

 

[EZ_E]

I like that cycle better but I would definitely beef up the PCT...

What can you get where you are besides clomid?

~EZ

 

[thetan]

The only items available to me locally are nolva and clomid. I'm still looking around for a site that would be willing to ship to me from overseas but no luck yet.

Do you think 500iu 2x weekly of HCG is too much? I read others only using 250iu 2x per week. And is wk 4-14 correct for HCG usage?

 

[NegroPops]

You may want to run Test and EQ a bit longer than 12 weeks. And I would lower the test and up the EQ. Also I think you could benefit from adding an oral to the start.. something like dbol or tbol.

As far as HCG.. I start it 4 weeks before PCT. I go 250 iu twice per week for 2 weeks, then bump to 500 iu twice per week the next 2 weeks. HCG can become counter predictive if you run it too long.

Keep looking for what products you can get PCT wise. Clomid is a good base, I would add an AI like arimidex to it. I am pretty sure you can get D-AA easily, even living where you are.

I would set the cycle up like this:

1-16 Test E 250 mg/week
1-15 Equipose 600 mg/week
1-6 Tbol 60 mg/ed

1-16 Arimidex .5 mg eod

PCT
15-16 HCG 250 iu twice per week
17-18 HCG 500 iu twice per week

19-22 Clomid 50/50/25/25
19-22 Arimidex .5 mg eod
19-22 D-AA 3g ed

 

[thetan]

I found a way to get HCGenerate and UPSlabs DAA from USA. How would I incorporate the HCGenerate into the cycle?

Would it work if I did the following based on your suggestions coz my last cycle with test only gave me some pretty bad acne by week 12.

Wk 1-15 EQ 600mg/wk
Wk 4-16 Test Cyp 250mg/wk
Wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED

Wk 1-18 Aromisan 12.5mg EOD

Wk 15-16 HCG 250iu 2x per week
Wk 17-18 HCG 500iu 2x per week

PCT
Wk 19-22 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Wk 19-22 D-AA 3g ED

Now what I'm trying to work out, not from a lack of trying to search the forums, is if I can use HCGenerate together with HCG. If so I would add HCGenerate starting Wk 6-18.

Anyone with experience with this please comment.

 

[Jbranken]

Normally you would run hcgenerate on cycle and then blast hcg before pct. Since you're limited on pct products, I would use the hcgenerate in pct with your DAA. Could you get form stanzol for pct? If not, another a.i. Will do

 

[thetan]

I don't think I can get Forma Stanzol here. All the suppliers of gear I know only have Stanzolol. Don't think it's the same thing. I may be able to ship it from the states but there's a chance it'll get held by customs on entry if they find it in their random checks.

If I can get it how would I use it? And if I can't do I really need an AI on PCT? I didn't think estrogen was much of a problem by the PCT stage since the excess test and HCG would have been out of the system by the time PCT starts and with the HCGenerate my natural test should still be producing.

 

[thetan]

Bump. Anyone?

 

[infraredline]

I don't think I can get Forma Stanzol here. All the suppliers of gear I know only have Stanzolol. Don't think it's the same thing. I may be able to ship it from the states but there's a chance it'll get held by customs on entry if they find it in their random checks.

If I can get it how would I use it? And if I can't do I really need an AI on PCT? I didn't think estrogen was much of a problem by the PCT stage since the excess test and HCG would have been out of the system by the time PCT starts and with the HCGenerate my natural test should still be producing.

Formastanzol is not something you buy from a ug lab. It is technically an OTC supplement with the drug formestane in it. It should not cause any problems with customs.

Here is the link:
https://www.mrsupps.com/Products/18/Forma+Stanzol/

 

[NegroPops]

you may not need an AI for PCT.. but it is good to cover all your basis. Just because you did not have a problem with estrogen that last time, doesn't mean it won't happen this time. Estrogen can rebound and get out of whack.. especially during PCT when you are trying to recovery your natural hormones levels. A SERM like clomid will help estrogen from binding where you don't want it too.. but it does not decrease the amount of estrogen in your body. Adding an AI will help lower the amount of estrogen. So with a SERM and AI.. you keep your estrogen in check by stopping the conversion and by blocking what does convert from hurting you. If you cannot get Forma, I would go with either arimidex.. .5 mg eod. It is up to you. It is better to be safe than sorry imo,

 

[thetan]

Thanks for the advise. I ordered forma stanzol from mrsupps and alot of hcgenerate and bridge so should be set. So what I'm looking at now is

Wk 1-15 EQ 600mg/wk (300mg 2x/wk)
Wk 4-16 Test Cyp 250mg/wk (1x/wk)
Wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED

Wk 1-18 Aromisan 12.5mg EOD

Wk 15-16 HCG 250iu 2x per week
Wk 17-18 HCG 500iu 2x per week

PCT
Wk 19-22 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Wk 19-22 D-AA 3g ED
Wk 19-22 HCGenerate
Wk 19-22 Forma Stanzol
Bridge after PCT

Good to go?

 

[NegroPops]

Alright.. you need to realize something. Equipose is a derivative of testosterone. That means it comes from testosterone, is similar to testosterone.. but is stronger than testosterone. Equipose will most likely cause the same androgenic side effects that test did. Staggering the test dose like you are is really not going to do much for you in regards of making your acne less. Run it from the beginning at with the EQ.

You may want to run HCGenerate on cycle as well.

Besides that, looks good.

 

[thetan]

Ok this is what the adjustment looks like. Worst case if ance flares up will just cut cycle short

Wk 1-16 EQ 600mg/wk (300mg 2x/wk)
Wk 1-16 Test Cyp 250mg/wk (1x/wk)
Wk 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED

Wk 1-18 Aromisan 12.5mg EOD

Wk 15-16 HCG 250iu 2x per week
Wk 17-18 HCG 500iu 2x per week

PCT
Wk 19-22 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Wk 19-22 D-AA 3g ED
Wk 19-22 HCGenerate***
Wk 19-22 Forma Stanzol
Bridge after PCT

If HCGenerate is being used on cycle when should I start taking it? From Wk 1 all the way to end of PCT?

 

[NegroPops]

I personally start it the first day of cycle and run it up until the start of HCG. Ideally, you will want to start it as soon as you notice any shrinkage in your balls. I would run it from weeks 4-15, then take a break from it and start at PCT again.

Everything looks good to go now.

As far as the acne, just make sure you are exfoliating your skin and keeping access oil to a minimum. You can by certain face and body washes that help combat oil and acne. Also.. I will assume it is hot and humid where you are, so make sure you shower frequently just to make sure your skin and pores are clear. And avoid any type of thick lotion on your skin.