2nd Cycle Opinion

[MidLifeMuscle]

This is actually my first post at EF, as I have just moved over from Freakz after seeing better information over here. I need some opinions about my second cycle, but first, some stats:

Ht: 6'1"
Wt: 216
BF: 10%
Age: 41
Nutrition: 5,500 calories, 400 g protein, 700 g carbs per day (6 meals)

Training: a long time. I switch training regiments every 12 weeks, between heavy, volume and Dog Crap Training. I also supplement my income by teaching group fitness programs 5 hours per week (sculpting and kickbox courses - cardio based)

Goal: 230 w 8%BF by the time I'm 42 (6 months)

Issue: I have not been able to break past 216 nor see any great improvements in strength gains in the last 5 months. I know a lot of this is

Here's the plan:

Weeks 1-10 Sust @ 250 per week
Weeks 1-5 Dbol 30mg ED (ween off during the last 4 days of the fifth week)

PCT
Weeks 11-12 Nolva 20g ED
Week 12 and 13 HCG 500 weekly

Questions:
1. My last cycle was Dbol only (don't blast me) for 5 weeks, was able to maintain 13lbs gain. I didn't experience any sides, so will I need to take the Nolva during the cycle?

2. What's the best self-injection site? I have seen many different locations, (quads, delts, abs, glutes)

3. How does this look for an old guy trying to get 15 more pounds on before my joints give out?

4. How does the PCT look?

 

[njmuscleguy]

You must be doing a heck of alot of cardio if you're not growing with that many calories...maybe increase your good fats... seeds, flax oil, olive oil, ANPB, avocado.

1) Don't use nolva during cycle...save it for P C T - use an AI such as a-dex or aromasin instead.

2) It's always best to rotate sites... most people find glutes and quads to be easiest... I do those as well as delts and arms (when doing more frequent pokes)... you're not going to injecting test in your abs (those are sub-Q shots, which are usually reserved for H C G, I G F, etc.)

3) That's not a bad cycle... if you're worried about your joints, maybe sub the Dbol for a very low dosage of de-ca... 200mg/wk... run it for 8 weeks and your test for 1-2 weeks longer.

4) run your H C G either every week (250iu - 500iu per week) or start it the day after your last sust shot... 500iu ED for 10 days... run your A I at the same time and up to 3-5 days later.... then start your nolva for 4-6 weeks

Good luck!

 

[tRaNs]

Questions:
1. My last cycle was Dbol only (don't blast me) for 5 weeks, was able to maintain 13lbs gain. I didn't experience any sides, so will I need to take the Nolva during the cycle?

2. What's the best self-injection site? I have seen many different locations, (quads, delts, abs, glutes)

3. How does this look for an old guy trying to get 15 more pounds on before my joints give out?

4. How does the PCT look?

1. You Can keep Nolva, when you feel something anormal (sensations, pain) then, you take it, 20 mg or 40 mg.

2. I think in the glutes, it's the place where pain is less, and it can receive more quantity per injection. 5cc.

3. It's short, I'd use more test, and another injectable, like EQ(I like it), and mix with a oral like Dbol or Oxy the first weeks, and i'd go out with a short ester, like winny the last weeks.

5. If it is for your cycle, I'd use week 11-12 2500 ui HCG/week, Week 13 40mg Nolva, Week 14-15 20 mg Nolva. It works nice to me.

 

[stressman13]

This is actually my first post at EF, as I have just moved over from Freakz after seeing better information over here. I need some opinions about my second cycle, but first, some stats:

Ht: 6'1"
Wt: 216
BF: 10%
Age: 41
Nutrition: 5,500 calories, 400 g protein, 700 g carbs per day (6 meals)

Training: a long time. I switch training regiments every 12 weeks, between heavy, volume and Dog Crap Training. I also supplement my income by teaching group fitness programs 5 hours per week (sculpting and kickbox courses - cardio based)

Goal: 230 w 8%BF by the time I'm 42 (6 months)

Issue: I have not been able to break past 216 nor see any great improvements in strength gains in the last 5 months. I know a lot of this is

Here's the plan:

Weeks 1-10 Sustanon @ 250 per week
Weeks 1-5 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 30mg ED (ween off during the last 4 days of the fifth week)

PCT - post cycle therapy -
Weeks 11-12 Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20g ED
Week 12 and 13 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 weekly

Questions:
1. My last cycle was Dbol only (don't blast me) for 5 weeks, was able to maintain 13lbs gain. I didn't experience any sides, so will I need to take the Nolva during the cycle?

2. What's the best self-injection site? I have seen many different locations, (quads, delts, abs, glutes)

3. How does this look for an old guy trying to get 15 more pounds on before my joints give out?

4. How does the PCT look?

I doubt 15 lbs of LBM while cutting is going to happen in 6 months with that cycle.

 

[MidLifeMuscle]

1. You Can keep Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , when you feel something anormal (sensations, pain) then, you take it, 20 mg or 40 mg.

2. I think in the glutes, it's the place where pain is less, and it can receive more quantity per injection. 5cc.

3. It's short, I'd use more test, and another injectable, like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - (I like it), and mix with a oral like Dianabol - methandrostenolone - or Oxy the first weeks, and i'd go out with a short ester, like Winstrol - stanozolol the last weeks.

5. If it is for your cycle, I'd use week 11-12 2500 ui HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - /week, Week 13 40mg Nolva, Week 14-15 20 mg Nolva. It works nice to me.

Thanks for the feedback. When you say more test, how would you increase the amount every 5 days instead of 7 or shorter period. I am trying to approach this in a staged process so I know which substance creates sides. For example, I already know that I did not present any sides from the DBol and now that I am going to add the Sust, if I start presenting sides, I will know it is from the Sust and not the DBol. If I also add the Equipoise and present sides, then I won't know if it is from the Eq or the Sust...does that make sense?

I will definitely add the Winstrol during the last weeks. What would yo suggest, the last 2 or 3 weeks before the PCT?

 

[SLAYER69!]

1 - Use Aromasin instead
2 - Glutes, delt, quads in that order. Abs? Ouch!
3 - Don't talk to me about old! I'm 42 and can outbench any 20s something in the gym
4 - previous advise looks good to me

 

[advanced-stealth]

This is a pretty good injection site.

http://www.howtodoinjections.com

 

[smoke67]

1 - Use Aromasin instead
2 - Glutes, delt, quads in that order. Abs? Ouch!
3 - Don't talk to me about old! I'm 42 and can outbench any 20s something in the gym
4 - previous advise looks good to me

I agree

I have one suggestion, have you had your t levels checked? If so and they are good after PCT good for you. If not you might consider HRT. It made a world of difference with me and I don't have to mess with PCT. I will be 40 in a few months.

Good luck.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Questions:
1. My last cycle was Dbol only (don't blast me) for 5 weeks, was able to maintain 13lbs gain. I didn't experience any sides, so will I need to take the Nolva during the cycle?

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A LITTLE CONFUSED. YOU GAINED 13 POUNDS ON A DBOLL ONLY CYCLE BUT YOU "CAN'T BREAK" PAST A CERTAIN POINT? IT DOSEN'T HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE DUDE. IF YOU ADD TEST ALONG WITH DBOLL, THAT'S A HARD CYCLE AND I'D RECOMMEND SOME DEX. I'D SUGGEST PRIMMO AND TEST.

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2. What's the best self-injection site? I have seen many different locations, (quads, delts, abs, glutes)

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WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AS LONG AS YOU GET IT IN? I LIKE GLUTES.

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3. How does this look for an old guy trying to get 15 more pounds on before my joints give out?

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IF YOU CAN HANDLE IT, WHY NOT?



4. How does the PCT look?
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I'M NOT A FAN OF NOLVA SINCE I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY GOOD TO PREVENT GYNO, IN WHICH CASE IT SHOULD BE TAKEN DURING THE CYCLE. THE BEST PC T IS HCG WITH DEX FOLLOWED BY ANTI E AND T BOOSTING SUPPS.



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