20% Bodyfat, What's wrong w/ juicing?

[bringingthewood]

I have a question... If I'm 20% BF or more, what's wrong w/ juicing? I read a few times that it's an issue.. I also read that more muscle is essential to burn more calories. I was thinking of doing a test e only cycle w/ GH.. Can you tell me any negatives of juicing w/ high bodyfat? Thanks for any help in advance...

 

[Arabian]

Bringinthewood, you should try and decrease your body fat to under 15% prior to starting any cycle. You can accomplish this by adjusting your diet and start a cardio routine and weight lifting routine ,meant for cutting! This includes lower weights and higher repetitions. Men who have excessive body fat, especially abdominal fat, are likely to have increased ESTROGEN levels caused by aromatase activity and a dramatically increased estrogen level compared to testosterone. An increased estrogen level has been linked, in turn, to a host of disorders, including decreased insulin sensitivity and blood glucose problems. Some studies suggest that there is an association between a low testosterone level, insulin resistance, an elevated estrogen level, and increased body fat. There is no way you can attain the results you want without first losing your excessive weight. Best of luck to you....

 

[C0LUMB0]

Excellent advice ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Chopzilla]

Bringinthewood, you should try and decrease your body fat to under 15% prior to starting any cycle. You can accomplish this by adjusting your diet and start a cardio routine and weight lifting routine ,meant for cutting! This includes lower weights and higher repetitions. Men who have excessive body fat, especially abdominal fat, are likely to have increased ESTROGEN levels caused by aromatase activity and a dramatically increased estrogen level compared to testosterone. An increased estrogen level has been linked, in turn, to a host of disorders, including decreased insulin sensitivity and blood glucose problems. Some studies suggest that there is an association between a low testosterone level, insulin resistance, an elevated estrogen level, and increased body fat. There is no way you can attain the results you want without first losing your excessive weight. Best of luck to you....

Spot on pointers I completely agree and also at 20% your not going to see alot of drastic change I mean your gonna notice you look bigger but without the definition and vascularity what's the point? And carrying that extra weight at 20% bf is taxing your body enough and throwing some juice in probably won't make it all better.

 

[Sherk]

Not to mention how much harder your heart has to work to pump blood through all that extra bf plus muscle. that's a lot of extra work on your heart

 

[wannabuildmuscle]

Its not that hard to get down to 10 percent. I went from 14 to ten in 4 weeks, with a proper diet, and hard training. Clean out all the extra fat. Try to eat at a ration of 40 percent protein 30 carbs and 30 fat.

 

[John McLane]

Its not that hard to get down to 10 percent. I went from 14 to ten in 4 weeks, with a proper diet, and hard training. Clean out all the extra fat. Try to eat at a ration of 40 percent protein 30 carbs and 30 fat.

Agreed 100%, I did almost EXACTLY the same - went from 14% b/f-10 in 3 weeks or so...all I did was cut out all pasta, bread and bananas and do HIT cardio for 30 mins 5 times a week.

 

[Zyglamail]

Agreed 100%, I did almost EXACTLY the same - went from 14% b/f-10 in 3 weeks or so...all I did was cut out all pasta, bread and bananas and do HIT cardio for 30 mins 5 times a week.

Ive basically been doing that for the last year and im not at 10%BF. Just because you can drop it fast doesnt mean everyone can.

The longer someone has been at a given bodyweight the harder their body is likely going to try and stay there. Add in factors like age, stress, adrenal fatigue, naturally high E and low T, genetics etc and there are a slew of things that can make 10% BF difficult.

Having said all of that however getting below 20% shouldnt be hard at all. After that however the leaner you get the harder it can be to drop additional BF.

I think the 20% guideline does 2 things. It puts you at a BF% that the added stress of AAS use wont be so hard on your body. Next and probably just as important, it shows that you have taken the time to learn to eat and train. AAS is no joke, its serious stuff and deserves respect.

AAS is an "amplifier" and it amplifies the results you are already achieving. Far too many people turn to AAS because they cant lose weight or they cant gain mass and I call bullshit. We see it here every day. People post up their diet and workout and its no wonder they cant lose fat and gain mass.

Making some solid mass gains on your won and losing some solid bodyfat on your own demonstrate your ready to take on AAS and you have the foundation to take advantage of it.

 

[C.K.]

Its not that hard to get down to 10 percent. I went from 14 to ten in 4 weeks, with a proper diet, and hard training. Clean out all the extra fat. Try to eat at a ration of 40 percent protein 30 carbs and 30 fat.

excess fat, carbs, sugar pretty much all junk, fried foods, candy, soda, snacks, dressings and everyhting with no nutritional value

 

[wannabuildmuscle]

excess fat, carbs, sugar pretty much all junk, fried foods, candy, soda, snacks, dressings and everyhting with no nutritional value

Sugar is the devil!

 

[Bullseye24]

Sugar is the devil!

i agree...and the older you are the harder it is to get rid of,even at a clean diet and cardio

 

[ledhead]

Taking roids at high% of BF is not good for gaining muscle and not healthy. First, roids cause hypertrophy (cell enlargment),therefore, the more fat cells you have the more you are enlarging them. (not good). Even if diet is on spot, it still would be more difficult to shed fat than even shedding when natural. Second, you would be more susceptible to ventricul hypertrophy (HBP) taking gear at high% of BF. Shed, the fat natural and then you will yeild better results from AAS. You would still get some results I'm sure but not optimal ones, and you would be putting your health at risk. Not worth it... Then you stated you are going to take TEST E, which aromatizes (hold water). At a higher BF you would hold even more water... I don't care what anyone says, I feel the main cause of gyno is because people shoot up when BF is high. I know some folks are prone to gyno, but I think a lot of people get it because they joos with high BF..

 

[Judo Tom]

heres another thing. do you want to be 20%bf? was that your goal? were you trying to reach or get to 20%?

most likely not. and if you can not get your diet and training down naturally you should not add roids hoping for a fix. get your diet and training spot on. maintain it for a few months/years then add roids and you will be happy.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

i agree...and the older you are the harder it is to get rid of,even at a clean diet and cardio

Never a more true word spoken than this! Ugggh getting old sucks!!!!!!!

 

[stevesmi]

not much more needs to be said. got a lot of good advice on this thread.

if you need help getting down to 15% or less I would be happy to look at your diet and see what we can change.. some people have thyroid issues which means their metabolism is gonna be slooooooooooooooooow, and its much harder for them to lose fat. sometimes its something that they have developed over the years with poor lifestyle choices, other times i've seen situations where 2 siblings eat the same food and are both active, yet one is fat and one is skinny. so its not always black and white.

as far as the problems with 20% i think everyone has summed it up well but i will summarize with on the outside you won't get the definition from running AAS, on the inside its more pressure on your organs specifically your heart. 200 pounds with 10% bf vs. 200 pounds with 20% bf makes a huge difference as to heart health and how you look in the mirror

 

[Nelson Montana]

All good advice. Bottom line -- steroids are growth drugs. Their cutting and anti catabolic effects are overrated. If you're 20% bf, you're fat, and just getting in shape will make you look better.

Adding some muscle and water on top of 20% is not going to impress anyone and it'll just be more mass to carry around and strain your heart.

 

[bupeman]

I have found a way that works great for me to loose fat quickly. I take a very low dose of test, like 200mg/week. then go on a strict diet and do lots of cardio and weight training. the fat will get off you quick and you will keep more muscle this way.
If you dont have the test going while dieting you will loose muscle.
Once you get your bf low eneough then you can start a good high dose cycle.
But still keep to the products that dont make you hold too much water.Short acting test esters and tren work great for me.

 

[bringingthewood]

Awesome, thanks for the advice guys... Looks like I have to spend some time in the diet section of the forum.. Eating clean is rough, I have been working out for a while now but gained some weight after I got the gyno surgery. They didn't allow any exercise for 4 weeks, running light, etc.. nothing. Anyway, I know it should come off fast, I have the cycle ready to rock, so it's frustrating.. ha. Either way, I'll take your advice and drop the weight first. Thanks again for all the input, I appreciate it..

 

[njmuscleguy]

Awesome, thanks for the advice guys... Looks like I have to spend some time in the diet section of the forum.. Eating clean is rough, I have been working out for a while now but gained some weight after I got the gyno surgery. They didn't allow any exercise for 4 weeks, running light, etc.. nothing. Anyway, I know it should come off fast, I have the cycle ready to rock, so it's frustrating.. ha. Either way, I'll take your advice and drop the weight first. Thanks again for all the input, I appreciate it..

Bro, you just said something that really rings an alarm: "eating clean is rough"... you know what? yes, it IS tough, especially at first... but I have news for you, that's how you're gonna have to eat while ON a cycle anyway! So if you aren't doing it now, or aren't prepared to do it... then you have no business messing around with AAS... this is tough love... you've gotten some excellent advice here... run with it (literally) and then you can rock that cycle that's waiting for you!

 

[bringingthewood]

Cool.. I agree. I have to get back in to the right habits.. I used to have a great diet, and after you get in to the habits, it's not that bad. It's just getting back in to those habits is rough. Prob will end up waiting a few months and be jacked for xmas.. lol Either way, I do understand the situation now, was just looking for someone to give some reasons for me to HAVE TO cut down.. ha. I think I might use 3J who's a diet mod on .. seems like he may be able to give a personal touch and help me avoid some little things that make a big difference. Anyone ever heard of him or his service? Not sure if it's worth the $125..

http://www..com/forum/diet-forum/602974-3js-nutrition-network.html

figure I spend that on 3 bottles of whey protein.. ha. Anyway, thanks again..

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Cool.. I agree. I have to get back in to the right habits.. I used to have a great diet, and after you get in to the habits, it's not that bad. It's just getting back in to those habits is rough. Prob will end up waiting a few months and be jacked for xmas.. lol Either way, I do understand the situation now, was just looking for someone to give some reasons for me to HAVE TO cut down.. ha. I think I might use 3J who's a diet mod on .. seems like he may be able to give a personal touch and help me avoid some little things that make a big difference. Anyone ever heard of him or his service? Not sure if it's worth the $125..

http://www..com/forum/diet-forum/602974-3js-nutrition-network.html

figure I spend that on 3 bottles of whey protein.. ha. Anyway, thanks again..

With a little research on our Diet forum and some basic math I would save my $125 bro. The answers will be the same. If you want to cut it has to be high protein, low carbs, and good fats. There is no other solution. You are going to pay someone for something that you can do yourself! Just my .02

 

[Judo Tom]

list your favorite foods/dishes, what you can spend on food, if you can cook, any allergies, what your weight is and what your goal weight is, what time you train, etc etc and you will get good advice here. start a thread in the diet forum and post a link here. im sure a few people, myself included will help you save some money... save it for the new clothes you will need