1st Timers 1st Cycle........

[1st timer]

1 - Age:34
2 - Lifting History:Kettlebell(2yrs)/very little weight training...mostly martial art partner/resistance training
3 - Height:5-10
4 - Weight:172
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...):14% tested this year(caliper)
6 - Diet:warrior diet in the past...moving to a high protein diet.
7 - Goals:Build sustained strength and add visible size.
I am new to this forum and lifestyle, I have recently started a new career...not popular to mention here probably...that demands a certain expectation of a physical presence for my own safety and that of others. I am a martial artist of 12 years. I don't want to gain 30 lbs in 8 weeks, but want to 'put it on' steadily over a period of 6-12 months - so as not to be labeled 'on the juice'. I am worried about my 1st cycle vs. my age/lack of weight training experience. I now have heavy lifting partners and the time/access to a great lifting facility. Dedication is not an issue. I am desperately looking for 1st hand advice, more than the dry research I've done already.
8 - Proposed cycle (To show that you've at least done a little homework.)
Cycle 1: 16 week
Weeks 1-10: Deca-Durabolin 200mg/wk with Vitamin B6 100mg/day
Weeks 11-13 Nothing but the B6
Weeks 14-16: Clomid

 

[theprofessor]

deca with no test could be the end of using your dick for awhile...

 

[1st timer]

What if I add Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/week into Weeks 1-10?

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

What if I add Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/week into Weeks 1-10?

Adding a Test, even if it's 200mg will definintely help balance things out and from the goals your stating and your current size sounds good to me.

You might find quite a few guys telling you thats not enough Test, but I know many guys who have made great gains off of only 250mg per week of Test E and since your not looking to add 30lbs overnight....
With proper diet and training you should still be able to put on and keep 10lbs.

Keep learnin, find whats right for you.
Good luck

 

[cranny]

Bro, you ask 10 dif. people and you'll get 10 dif. answers. So here's my 2 cents. From what you've posted, you really haven't trained that much as far as weight training goes. I would prob. try to gain as much mass natural as possible before using gear. After that I would recommend test e or cyp. by itself @ 250/wk. for 10-12 wks. I wouldn't add anything w/ it seeing how it's your first cycle. At your age and w/ a good diet, you should do well w/ that. Good luck.

 

[columbia58]

deca with no test could be the end of using your dick for awhile...

You are so right.....need to add some test..

 

[Wulfgar]

dude dont listen to all the guys who think 200 mg of Deca will shut you down. It wont.
thats the PERFECT way to run a 1st cycle IMHO.
hell u may not even need PCT @ the end
try throwing in the clomid @ 100 mg Daily about day 32-37 to keep natty levels up and then possibly @ the end. U really shouldnt een need it though with that cycle/dosage.

 

[drrman]

dude dont listen to all the guys who think 200 mg of Deca will shut you down. It wont.
thats the PERFECT way to run a 1st cycle IMHO.
hell u may not even need PCT @ the end
try throwing in the clomid @ 100 mg Daily about day 32-37 to keep natty levels up and then possibly @ the end. U really shouldnt een need it though with that cycle/dosage.

I must post and say i disagree with wulf on this one, we are usually on the same page with everything, but i still say a deca only cycle is a horrible idea, but thats just my thoughts.....we seem to kindly agree to disagree on this poing. Im a proponent of doing your first cycle in a bigger way.....your first is always your best and if you are really wanting to grow as much as possible as most people are i would take test/deca/dball.....that was my first cycle, and i wouldn't change a thing

I guess it comes down to what you want from the cycle, if you want 5-8lbs lean muscle and possible no hard on's for a few months, go deca only, if you want to gain as MUCH as possible as its your first cycle, add 500mg test at LEAST

 

[damnitmannn727]

First of all I wouldn't even do a first cycle with Deca. Like drrman said, your first is the best. I don't agree with his first cycle tho. I am actually on my first cycle right now and love it and have gained 10lbs in 2 1/2weeks.
I'm running:
Week 1-12 Test Cyp 500mg/ew- 250mg/Mon and 250mg on Thurs.
Week 1-12 Finasteride 5mg/ed(for hair and acne)
Week 1-12 Letro .5mg/ed(for bloat and acne)
Week 15-18 PCT
Week 15+16 Nolva/Clomid 40mg/100mg
Week 17+18 Nolva/Clomid 20mg/50mg
My diet is in check and love the results so far.
And what you have planned for 1st cycle, run that for your second along with some Test Cyp or Enan. Good luck!!!

 

[Wulfgar]

I must post and say i disagree with wulf on this one, we are usually on the same page with everything, but i still say a deca only cycle is a horrible idea, but thats just my thoughts.....we seem to kindly agree to disagree on this poing. Im a proponent of doing your first cycle in a bigger way.....your first is always your best and if you are really wanting to grow as much as possible as most people are i would take test/deca/dball.....that was my first cycle, and i wouldn't change a thing

I guess it comes down to what you want from the cycle, if you want 5-8lbs lean muscle and possible no hard on's for a few months, go deca only, if you want to gain as MUCH as possible as its your first cycle, add 500mg test at LEAST

we dont disagree on much...but either way you decide to do it Im sure Drrman will definately agree that on ANY cycle, but especially the first one. The diet, especially protien intake is the MOST VITAL aspect of acheiving meaningful results. So make sure, regardless of what AAs approach you decide will work best for your body long term. That you really stay consistant with a clean, high energy, high protein, low GI carb, healthy fat diet...

 

[drrman]

we dont disagree on much...but either way you decide to do it Im sure Drrman will definately agree that on ANY cycle, but especially the first one. The diet, especially protien intake is the MOST VITAL aspect of acheiving meaningful results. So make sure, regardless of what AAs approach you decide will work best for your body long term. That you really stay consistant with a clean, high energy, high protein, low GI carb, healthy fat diet...

that of course is CORRECT!!

 

[toxicsambo]

Test, any kind 250-500/week for 10-12 weeks. Proviron 50 mg ed for the last 6-8 weeks. Use AIFM throughout. Your physique is primed and ready if you have that true martial art athleticism. It's that natural stregth and flexibility that will help alot. Dude, I see guys on gear who do nothing but kickboxing and ju-jitsu and they have better builds than most guys who lift weights. That mix of cardio and resistance training is way superior IMHO. There's going to be a million suggestions.

Eat the way you want to look. Lean and mean=mostly quality protein/EFA/ and leafy fibrous greens. Good luck mang.

 

[jagerbombme]

POLICIA! hehe

 

[1st timer]

Thanks for the advice everyone...why are people always saying 'only Test since it's your 1st cycle'? Is it harder to gain with each progressive cycle?

 

[toxicsambo]

Thanks for the advice everyone...why are people always saying 'only Test since it's your 1st cycle'? Is it harder to gain with each progressive cycle?

Basically, If someone can't grow on test, they wont grow period. Test is hands down the most effective for size and strength. It's simple and produces results. So there's no need to get fancy with 3 or 4 different compounds in a stack, which makes it a no brainer for beginers.

 

[timtim]

dude dont listen to all the guys who think 200 mg of Deca will shut you down. It wont.

i dont agree with this statement. deca can be very tough on those who are sensitive to progesterone and prolactin. i am and it caused a complete crash after the cycle which lasted for about 6 months! terrible. and that was with a great pct. eq i feel is the better alternative for sensitive users.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

hey bro, im a fighter and i love eq and var for training hard..,.great gains and you cant beat the high rbc count with eq....a littlee deca is good in there....no more than 200mg/wk....its great for all your injuries too bro...i love that shit...i lift weights like 3 times a week and 3 times i do cardio to..but test and deca is gonna be really hard to train on...you will retain a lot of wateer and you will gas a lot in training....just my opinion

 

[bverysmart]

I agree with most

Test for a 1st cycle is the way to go. You need to see how your body will react to gear. When you start mixing several different things initially your going to have problems IMO. Str8 test for a first cycle is more than adequate. you are looking to do this gain for long term. However, you need to be VERY consistent on workout and Diet. Like everynoe else said, if diet is shit results will be shit. also, even though you may be taking in high calories per day, if its not clean it does no good.

protein, protein , protein. If your looking to gain muscle you need to consume high protein. Remember, you never will go wrong by comsuming it. If your bodies does not use it, you will get rid of it.

good luck I hope all goes well and you get what you want

bverysmart

 

[ViperHMS]

Well honestly I dont think you should even need to start a cycle. You have a limited experiance with weight training and that in itself over the course of 6 months to a year will get you where you want to be, your goal. With a good workout routine and proper diet you will make steady gains that will be keepable because they are natural and nobody will question you about roids.

Really 6-12 months is a large amount of time to make some great progress. Starting and continuing a steady workout plan, that is varied every 3-4 months will provide you with your goal. I'm dead serious.

I would highly suggest hanging out on the Weight Lifting and Training Board, the Diet & Bodybuilding Board , and even the Powerlifting Board so you can gain the knowledge of the most important parts of strenght and muscle gaining.

Also at your age you natural testosterone production may be at a lower level than normal and you might be able to be eligble for HRT (hormone replacement therapy) which would make it completely legal for you to be doing so no worries there.

Since diet is always a major key in goals and gains I have an Excel spreadsheet that you could use to help track what you are eating, if you are not doing that already. It used to be in my sig, but that link is no longer working and i've got to find a way to host it or someone to host it for me for better access. It is really simple to use, grab the label of what your are eating and put in the Calories, Fat Grams, Carb Grams, Protein Grams and it does all the calculations for you. When I first made it and started to track everything I ate, I actually made the best gains in my life. I am a "Hardgainer" because of my body type and metabolism and could never gain weight, when I started tracking everything I was eating, the gains started pyling on. I gained weight fairly easily for the first time in my life and put on some solid gains.

Let me know if you need any help or have any questions and if you would like the excel file.

The excel file is open to anyone that is interested also, just PM me and give me an e-mail addy to send it to and i'll shoot it your way.

Good luck bro.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

dude dont listen to all the guys who think 200 mg of Deca will shut you down. It wont.
thats the PERFECT way to run a 1st cycle IMHO.
hell u may not even need PCT @ the end
try throwing in the clomid @ 100 mg Daily about day 32-37 to keep natty levels up and then possibly @ the end. U really shouldnt een need it though with that cycle/dosage.

200mg of nandrolone can be quite suppressive in some individuals, though agree that generally because of the low dose it less likely.

 

[1st timer]

I think I'm going to go the route of "Testosterone Therapy"...anyone heard of MetXLife? I'm looking for a good, inexpensive, quality "Therapy Clinic"...Anti-Aging Group is WAY to expensive! They want to rape you for it's legality!
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated-
New Proposed 1st Cycle:
Megga protein/Creatine/DHEA/Vitamin B & Zink
Weeks 1-12:
Testosterone Cypionate 300mg/wk
Chlomid:
Day 1 200mg
Day2-11 100mg/day
11-21 50mg/day