1st cycle, 1st week prostate issues

[gorilla biscuits]

hey everyone, Like the title says, this is my first cycle and I'm having some prostate issues. I haven't posted or contributed here,((avid reader)but I would be eternally grateful if anyone can help a brother out.
I really did a ton of research over the years; i've wanted to try AAS ever since I was in H.S. and saw the massive gains others made, while my body changed little year after year with hard training and supps. I've more or less been a disciplined lifter ever since with the exception of 2 layoffs. So I've really been serious the last several years with the intention of one day getting the nerve to jump in. Definitely maxed my natural potential and I should be further along. I've been single for a while and I spend hours a night on the forums sucking up everything I can. So I thought I was finally ready. Blood test, everything in line, including thryoid, liver, hormones,ect. Went ahead and ordered everything I thought I would possibly need, upgraded my diet plan, rearranged my work schedule so as to get maximal benefits from what I thought was a reasonable first cylce.

wk 1-10 Test E 250, Decca 200, Aridimix .25 ED, Nolva 10 mg ED
wk11,12,13 .25 aridimix Ed, Nolva 10mg ED
wk 14 40mg Nolva ED
wk15 30 mg Nolva ED
wk 16 20 mg Nolva ED

My rational for this cycle: Didn't want too much androgens, but couldn't do Deca alone. Start at low doses to see how body reacts. In early mid 20's, tried "legal anabolics" stack or one of those internet supposed steroid precursors. This was a stack, with like 4 things, all oral. Was on it a few weeks and felt that taint/rectum area becomming more and more uncomfortable. When I realized what it might be, I stopped and went to a urologist. Got the finger test. Whew, was that awful. he said I was enlarged/inflamed and put me on antibotics. It went away. years later I tried one of those GNC type test boosters. took a little longer, but started to get the same feeling, so I stopped and it went away without treatment. Henceforth my apprehensions.

I thought being more informed and having all the ancillaries on hand would maybe make the difference.

Ok getting to the point: First shot, mixed Test E and Decca last wed (12 days ago). by friday (only 2 days!), I started to feel an unusual sensation down there. These are long-estered and low doses - thought that was chemically impossible, but the body is ridiculously complex and everyone is different. Started taking Duesteride ED, scoured the this site and the net for info: Found some thread on DIM for natural estrogen control, saw palmetto, and some of the prostate complexes that contain nettle extract, beta sitosterol, pygeum,pumpkin seed, lycopene, ect. So, naturally I was freaking out and trying to stay calm about it. I don't seem to have the urinary problems that go with BPH, more the inflamation symptoms that go with prostatitis. It seems to be easing up a little -from dim, aridimix, duta, or just time. Skipped the 2nd scheduled dose of test and deca.

I tend to have anxiety issues - have sleep problems and been medicated for that. (the sleep has been a major problem for me and I've been to every type of doc you canb think of and tried tons of meds) I hear that anxiety/ cortisol spike estrogen levels.
About 2 years ago, i was feeling similar issues down there (sleep was particularly bad - coincidence?) and went to a urologist. Got the 'exam' he said it felt normal (not to me!) but put me on antibotics and flomax. Also took blood test for hormones - PSA normal, Test came back really low. Re-tested a week later and all was normal. Symptoms went away in 2 weeks or so.

So here I am, wondering if I am just genetically predisposed to prostate problems - father recently started on flowmax, but he is 65. maybe I have more androgen receptors there? No hair or skin issues. I am not so worried that I won't recover from this 'incident', but the fact that my body may not be compatible with AAS (can't tell you how much I was looking forward to some real progress and this whole new world). geez, it was only 2 days. Not like i took a bottle of Anadrol. My sex drive, energy, sense of well-being, and feelings of 'manliness' are down - possibly from the duta - shutdown of DHT. Leg day was a disaster.

Yeah, this is a tough one, but if you've read this far, any suggestions? Currently still taking duta, Dim, prostate herbal complexes, and Adidimex .50mg ED. Thinking of seeing doc (can't tell him about the AAS)
brief stats:
36
180
14% BF
lifting since H.S. with a few layoffs (good program)
Diet clean, but not as polished as some of you. Protein was about 250 - raised it about 75 grams a day

 

[burnthiscorpse]

It sounds from everything like you described like you could be having some panic-y type anxiety. But I dont want to try and dismiss a medical problem either.
One thing, you dont need a-dex and nolva., 2nd thing, you dont need nolva, for anything. your cycle is to light on dose to be taking an AI unless you know you have to have it. Being that your running deca, you should have Bromo also. If you start to get deca gyno....what are you going to do? the a-dex wont fix it and the nolva can make it worse.
Now if you do have an estrogen related prostate issue, then obviously you need an AI and ofcourse run the a-dex.

 

[darius75]

Just go to a urologist and get a check-up. From BPH you wouldn't "feel" a thing (other than the urge to take a leak more frequently) you may have an infection (totally unrelated to BPH) could be bacterial, etc and totally unrelated to genetics and/or individual sensitivity to DHT. Antibiotics will fix you up

 

[swole]

you said problems "down there"

what exactly do you mean? no libido, pain?

 

[centeroiler]

Just go to a urologist and get a check-up. From BPH you wouldn't "feel" a thing (other than the urge to take a leak more frequently) you may have an infection (totally unrelated to BPH) could be bacterial, etc and totally unrelated to genetics and/or individual sensitivity to DHT. Antibiotics will fix you up

That's not true. You can definately feel it and it ain't pleasant.

I've been taking all the usual supplements for about a month+ now with marginal improvement. I don't want to take Finasteride unless as a last resort. I'm also taking Divanil, which is supposed to be one of the best natural supps, but its too early to tell. This is having an impact on my next cycle as well, so I feel for you. I'm going to the Dr. for some Flomax and I'll see how that does. Thats the big problem with med-long esters, once you put 'em in you can't take 'em out. I don't really know, but I don't think its just anxiety you are feeling. I know that feeling in the "taint" and it "tain't" just anxiety.

 

[Olivelawn]

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[dmc777]

My Dr. diagnosed me with prostatitis my last cycle. My "taint" didn't really hurt but my lower back around to my pelvic area would hurt pretty occasionally. Gave me antibiotics and pains meds and the symptoms went away. I don't know why it would start hurtins so soon on you though.

 

[airsmith2k]

another paranoid guy who thinks steriods completely destroy ur body and kill you lol... and whats up with that cycle it sucks.....so many anti-estrogens youll prolly be smaller then when u started.....the juice prolly isnt even real anyway some guy prolly filled some bottles up with veggie oil and sold it to u

 

[LiquidPhire]

another paranoid guy who thinks steriods completely destroy ur body and kill you lol... and whats up with that cycle it sucks.....so many anti-estrogens youll prolly be smaller then when u started.....the juice prolly isnt even real anyway some guy prolly filled some bottles up with veggie oil and sold it to u

hahaha

 

[gorilla biscuits]

thanks for the input guys. i know how ridiculous it sounds - it totally could be caused by anxiety; was my first ever jab. Paranoid,sure a little, but I went into this excited,been looking forward to crossing over for a long time. Cycle doses picked low on purpose to start, have more on hand. Have Bromo and Dosinex. Overly-cautious, yes; I don't take this lightly. Besides, i can't go to CVS and pick this stuff up, also wanted to be prepared for future use. Didn't take the Nolva yet - taking the aridimix to balance out the Duta. Didn't think I would need the AI's or proscar, but wanted to have it on hand just in case. Stopping Duta and Aridimix tomorrow. Yeah, everything I've read says it couldn't possibly cause that side effect so soon on such a low dose of a long ester. But, I'm not imagining it. When I say issue/problem "down there" I'm referring to the taint area - there's an ugly pressure pushing up,down, and back into my asshole. Hey, it is what it is. No, I'm not gay. And feeling like i gotta piss all the time, like I am constantly holding it in, then I go and it's hardly anything. Libido is down - from prostate or Duta? Re-reading this, I do sound like a total pussey - no arguement. I wouldn't be bellyaching if I had a rash or a few pimples. Maybe i'm over-reacting to the whole thing, but it's painful and a few aspirin taint gonna make it go away. Good luck to you Centeroiler - let me know what your doc says.

Good call Olive - I was S.E. til I was 26. Saw GB and most of the youth crew bands

 

[HAYEZ]

thanks for the input guys. i know how ridiculous it sounds - it totally could be caused by anxiety; was my first ever jab. Paranoid,sure a little, but I went into this excited,been looking forward to crossing over for a long time. Cycle doses picked low on purpose to start, have more on hand. Have Bromo and Dosinex. Overly-cautious, yes; I don't take this lightly. Besides, i can't go to CVS and pick this stuff up, also wanted to be prepared for future use. Didn't take the Nolva yet - taking the aridimix to balance out the Duta. Didn't think I would need the AI's or proscar, but wanted to have it on hand just in case. Stopping Duta and Aridimix tomorrow. Yeah, everything I've read says it couldn't possibly cause that side effect so soon on such a low dose of a long ester. But, I'm not imagining it. When I say issue/problem "down there" I'm referring to the taint area - there's an ugly pressure pushing up,down, and back into my asshole. Hey, it is what it is. No, I'm not gay. And feeling like i gotta piss all the time, like I am constantly holding it in, then I go and it's hardly anything. Libido is down - from prostate or Duta? Re-reading this, I do sound like a total pussey - no arguement. I wouldn't be bellyaching if I had a rash or a few pimples. Maybe i'm over-reacting to the whole thing, but it's painful and a few aspirin taint gonna make it go away. Good luck to you Centeroiler - let me know what your doc says.

Good call Olive - I was S.E. til I was 26. Saw GB and most of the youth crew bands

libido is down because u have stripped every estrogen form your body before the test even kicked in..if i was to guess i would say the anti e is responsible for everything

 

[centeroiler]

libido is down because u have stripped every estrogen form your body before the test even kicked in..if i was to guess i would say the anti e is responsible for everything

No argument here that he doesn't need that amount of AI and SERM that early. But, the symptoms he's descibing are certainly prostate related.

Gorilla, you obviously had this problem before starting AAS and you certainly aren't going to make it any better with Testosterone. But, having prostate issues so soon from so little sounds like you are maybe being overly sensative to the symptoms now that you have injected. If you want to continue, I would suggest using a nominal amount of test and upping the Deca. Get rid of the Nolva which can have estrogenic effects on the prostate itself, and may be your problem right there, and just keep A-dex on hand. In the end, who knows? Everyone is different.

 

[dmc777]

I think this could be anxiety issues but I could be wrong....even the hurting "taint". I remember when I took my first shot my boys felt funny for the first couple of days as well as my perenial area lol. None of my friends had experienced this so I figured it was anxiety of doing my first shot. After a week it went away.

 

[centeroiler]

I think this could be anxiety issues but I could be wrong....even the hurting "taint". I remember when I took my first shot my boys felt funny for the first couple of days as well as my perenial area lol. None of my friends had experienced this so I figured it was anxiety of doing my first shot. After a week it went away.

If the guy has an enlarged prostate the pressure from the swollen prostate on the bladder, colin, urethra, etc. and vise versa, will cause pain in your taint area. I know from personal experience and I'm not anxious.

 

[dmc777]

If the guy has an enlarged prostate the pressure from the swollen prostate on the bladder, colin, urethra, etc. and vise versa, will cause pain in your taint area. I know from personal experience and I'm not anxious.

Yes this is true. I've had prostate issues in the past and my Dr. said I had prostatis. Feels like you're sitting on a sock sometimes and when I'd jump and land I'd feel like I pulled a muscle in my perinial area. Burned like hell. It's just strange that this is happening to him so soon.

 

[gorilla biscuits]

Hey guys, Thanks for your insight and empathy. I dropped the Arimidex and Duta today. Never opened the Nolva. It's weird, cause I shot on wed, and din't take the AI and duta til fri when i started to feel the prostate pressure. So you are saying that the AI is too much, too soon, on such a low dose, as the test was barely in the blood at 2 days? That makes sense. Good point, thanks. It would also make sense that I had an enlarged/inflamed condition beforehand, but didn't feel it. The sudden change of hormones, test, AI, duta, Dim - all at once could have put it over the edge. Makes sense that anxiety could add to this; stress/cortisol screws things up. Like I said, I was all pumped up about taking this step, but it will be a big secret that I'll try to forever hide from my friends/family. Not that I'm ashamed of trying this - they just wouldn't understand. Personally, I'm cool with anything that can make you better. I'm past all the negative stigma and media crap about AAS. I actually see it as a direct opposite of hardcore rec drugs. I don't get people who don't work out or always eat crap. Anyways, thanks for the input. I'm gonna take your collective advice. For now, I'm gonna drop all the hormonal interference, keep training, and try to relax and not think about it so much. If it's still bothering me next week, I'll check in with a doc for possible infection. Definitely gonna take another go at it after things settle down. Much Respect, GB

 

[centeroiler]

Hey guys, Thanks for your insight and empathy. I dropped the Arimidex and Duta today. Never opened the Nolva. It's weird, cause I shot on wed, and din't take the AI and duta til fri when i started to feel the prostate pressure. So you are saying that the AI is too much, too soon, on such a low dose, as the test was barely in the blood at 2 days? That makes sense. Good point, thanks. It would also make sense that I had an enlarged/inflamed condition beforehand, but didn't feel it. The sudden change of hormones, test, AI, duta, Dim - all at once could have put it over the edge. Makes sense that anxiety could add to this; stress/cortisol screws things up. Like I said, I was all pumped up about taking this step, but it will be a big secret that I'll try to forever hide from my friends/family. Not that I'm ashamed of trying this - they just wouldn't understand. Personally, I'm cool with anything that can make you better. I'm past all the negative stigma and media crap about AAS. I actually see it as a direct opposite of hardcore rec drugs. I don't get people who don't work out or always eat crap. Anyways, thanks for the input. I'm gonna take your collective advice. For now, I'm gonna drop all the hormonal interference, keep training, and try to relax and not think about it so much. If it's still bothering me next week, I'll check in with a doc for possible infection. Definitely gonna take another go at it after things settle down. Much Respect, GB

The AI isn't bad for the prostate issue, it just may be too much for your current estrogen levels. But there is evidence that suggests that BPH is directly induced by excess estrogen in conjuction with DHT. So, from a prostate-protective view the AI is a good thing. I just don't see enough testosterone in your cycle to affect your prostate so soon. But, I'm no expert on this, I'm still learning about this prostate thing too. I would definately say go to the Dr. (which is pretty hypocritical considering I have prostate issues and I haven't seen the Dr. I am gonna go get some Flomax though).

Don't be ashamed for trying AAS. Just take your time to educate yourself and get everything ready for when you go on-cycle again. Next time you'll know a little better what to expect and maybe you won't be so anxious. Good luck.

 

[gorilla biscuits]

Solid advice Certeroiler. Thanks. Yeah, I've read that about the estrogen too. I still can't figure out how/why the issue popped up so soon, with so little test, like you said. My guess is a lingering infection that was under the radar beforehand. My symptoms seem like prostatitis more than BPH, but that's for a doc to decide. I thought I was all prepared, mentally, physically, emotonially, and with all necessary supplies. I will see what the doc says (won't mention AAS) and take it from there. I definitely want to take a go at it again, but I need to sort this out first. Good lookin out bro -best with your condition

 

[dmc777]

Solid advice Certeroiler. Thanks. Yeah, I've read that about the estrogen too. I still can't figure out how/why the issue popped up so soon, with so little test, like you said. My guess is a lingering infection that was under the radar beforehand. My symptoms seem like prostatitis more than BPH, but that's for a doc to decide. I thought I was all prepared, mentally, physically, emotonially, and with all necessary supplies. I will see what the doc says (won't mention AAS) and take it from there. I definitely want to take a go at it again, but I need to sort this out first. Good lookin out bro -best with your condition

Symptoms I had when I was diagnosed with Prostatitis. Felt like I was sittin on a sock sometimes, every once in a while I'd get this tingling feeling in my perinial area, w,henever I'd jump and land it'd feel like a pulled a muscle in my perinial area, frequent urination that sometimes burned but not often, perenial would sometimes hurt almost burn after ejaculation, pain in my kidneys from the back extended to my pelvic area. Just filling you in on my experience. Personally, I don't think it was Prostatitis, I think it was dehydration and too much dht causing my prostate to swell but who knows. Give it a week or two and go to Dr.

 

[centeroiler]

Symptoms I had when I was diagnosed with Prostatitis. Felt like I was sittin on a sock sometimes, every once in a while I'd get this tingling feeling in my perinial area, w,henever I'd jump and land it'd feel like a pulled a muscle in my perinial area, frequent urination that sometimes burned but not often, perenial would sometimes hurt almost burn after ejaculation, pain in my kidneys from the back extended to my pelvic area. Just filling you in on my experience. Personally, I don't think it was Prostatitis, I think it was dehydration and too much dht causing my prostate to swell but who knows. Give it a week or two and go to Dr.

I don't experience a lot of those symptoms. Mainly frequent urination, weak stream, etc. The pain in the taint is mainly just uncomfortableness (word ?). Its the worst when (this is embarrassing and there isn't an easy way to say this so)..., when I gotta take a shit and there is added pressure. That'll drop you to your knees. So, needless to say I try not to wait for that to happen. This sucks!!!

 

[gorilla biscuits]

I should have checked back in sooner; i do appreciate your support. I've tried to push this to the back of my mind as much as possible. Been off all the hormone interference for 10 days or so. Got in to see the doc last friday; gave me the rubber glove treatment. Not the best feeling in the world, and a little worse, as he said I was slightly enlarged/inflamed, which makes it hurt more. He put me on antibotics, which he said would treat prostatis or bladder infection. Also took a urine sample for the possible bladder infection. I should have results back Monday. The pain is mostly gone; still feeling a little uncomfortable in that area. Libido still feels off. Trying to go about my business as usual. Won't be signing up for horseback riding lessons any time soon, but I was able to squat on leg day, and more importantly the pressure seems to be going down every day. Life is getting back to normal! Best, GB

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, I have a bunch of comments and suggestions (speaking from experience):

1) Don't be ashamed of those dosages for your first real AAS cycle - they are definitely good enough to make solid gains

2) Don't think that because those dosages are "low", that you can't get BPH symptoms... 200mg of test per week is certainly enough to cause flare-ups

3) You've been running waaay too many supplements at any given time, not allowing you to figure out what helps, what doesn't help, and what's causing more issues. Also, I agree with everyone else - no nolva during cycle!

4) There is alot of debate as to whether estrogen plays a significant role in BPH - it seems that DHT may be more of a culprit - you may want to stick to non-DHT related compounds in the future and low dosages of test

5) Drink ginger tea lots of it... there is anecdotal evidence that this could help alleviate some prostate issues (BPH)

6) Make sure you're seeing a good doctor that can isolate whether you have a chronic infection, BPH, etc. THEN start treatment

7) Pro-hormones are no "safer" to the prostate than AAS - in fact, some can be even worse

8) I agree that I don't think anxiety is causing your prostate issues - it's likely BPH if you feel like you have to urinate often, if it hurts to urinate or difficult to do it or weak stream.

I think thats all... sorry if the thoughts are random... good luck!

 

[HenryBlake]

I should have checked back in sooner; i do appreciate your support. I've tried to push this to the back of my mind as much as possible. Been off all the hormone interference for 10 days or so. Got in to see the doc last friday; gave me the rubber glove treatment. Not the best feeling in the world, and a little worse, as he said I was slightly enlarged/inflamed, which makes it hurt more. He put me on antibotics, which he said would treat prostatis or bladder infection. Also took a urine sample for the possible bladder infection. I should have results back Monday. The pain is mostly gone; still feeling a little uncomfortable in that area. Libido still feels off. Trying to go about my business as usual. Won't be signing up for horseback riding lessons any time soon, but I was able to squat on leg day, and more importantly the pressure seems to be going down every day. Life is getting back to normal! Best, GB

I think you are a brave person to share your problems with us, so don't feel like a "pussy" or let anybody tell you otherwise.
I too had the same "pissing" issue that you have(or had) experienced. I would want to go every 3-5 minutes while on a cycle. Thought is was my aas or supp's that I was taking.
I started to worry, then I decided to go see the Dr.
Turns out I had an inflamed bladder with all types of sores on the outside of my bladder.
The Dr. gave me some antibiotics for 30 days to take, and all was well.
I even kept on taking my aas during the time I was on a/b, and never missed a heartbeat.
I was happy to be able to return to the 1-2 times a day pissing routine w/o pain or blood. Been fine ever since.
I think my ex gave me something, but the doc said it was just a twist of fate.
Keep a POSITIVE outlook, everything will work-out for you.

 

[dmc777]

I should have checked back in sooner; i do appreciate your support. I've tried to push this to the back of my mind as much as possible. Been off all the hormone interference for 10 days or so. Got in to see the doc last friday; gave me the rubber glove treatment. Not the best feeling in the world, and a little worse, as he said I was slightly enlarged/inflamed, which makes it hurt more. He put me on antibotics, which he said would treat prostatis or bladder infection. Also took a urine sample for the possible bladder infection. I should have results back Monday. The pain is mostly gone; still feeling a little uncomfortable in that area. Libido still feels off. Trying to go about my business as usual. Won't be signing up for horseback riding lessons any time soon, but I was able to squat on leg day, and more importantly the pressure seems to be going down every day. Life is getting back to normal! Best, GB

Bro that's the same thing I went through...a couple of times actually! I was diagnosed with Prostatis and given antibiotics and painkillers. You can see my symptoms above. I just think I had an enlarged prostate due to AAS though. But...I took the antibiotics for a month and drank a shit load of water and eventually it went away. Now that I'm back on cycle I can feel it again. Not as much in my kidneys though...I think my kidney pain way a result of dehydration and too many painkillers. Does your perenial ever hurt/burn when you sneeze, cough, or jump and land? The only time my "taint" hurts is when i take a massive dump lol...and sometimes it does hurts to the point I'm almost screaming!

 

[centeroiler]

Just a few observations and I wanted to let you know how I have made out with my enlarged prostate issues. The following suggestions are for bros with prostate issues that still want to go on-cycle.

1.) In retrospect, my BPH symptoms came on very fast at the end of my last cycle when I know my Estrogen was high. I had all the symptoms. I also had a lot of DHT conversion as well (its a long story). So, prostate enlargement can come on very quickly, and from my experience if you are prone to BHP, is directly influenced by high estrogen. Use low-estrogenic compounds and/or run an AI while on-cycle.

2.) Low Testosterone has been linked to BPH. Again, generally a low testosterone level goes hand and hand with high-estrogen. It is all relative of course and is based on your Test/Estro ratio. You want to run the minimum amount of Testosterone while on cycle for HRT purposes only. Any more and you run the risk of getting the negative androgenic side-effects of Testosterone, as well as the problems with estrogen conversion. Any less you run the risk of shutting your own Test production down with no replacement. This will affect your libido, make you feel depressed, negatively affect test/estrogen ratio and hinder gains. I would say 100mg min-250mg Enathate max a week. Have an AI on-hand or run adex .25mg EOD.

3.) The big misconception around here is that DHT based compounds, such as Primobolan, will cause prostate problems. This mis-information is usually not based on one's real-life experience but is based on flawed logic that if a compound is DHT based it will negatively impact BPH. In my personal experience, nothing could be further from the truth. One need only look at the relative androgenic properties and of a compound to predict its impact on the prostate. There is a scale that rates compounds for both androgenic/anabolic properties. Its not completely accurate but you get the idea. I was told to stay away from Primobolan which is very low-androgenic, but I'm on 500mg week and my prostate is actually improved. So, the best bet is to stay with High Anabolic/LowAndrogenic steroids (Primobolan, Anavar) run with a low, maintenance-dose of Testosterone Enathate. Short-esterfied testosterones tend to spike test levels more so I wouldn't use them.
Note: After consulting with needto, Dieselbolan falls into the High Anabolic/Low Androgenic catagory as well.

4.) It is true that in a perfect world you shouldn't use mass quantities of numerous supplements because you won't know exactly which one is working. But, when your prostate is inflamed and you are on-cycle you don't really have the luxury of time to try one, and then another and another. Its just not realistic. I am FINALLY having very good success with Saw Palmetto, Divanil and Lycopene. I also started using New Chapter's Prostate 5LX which has very pure extracts of all these usual supplements plus Pumpkin Seed and Ginger. It has some good feedback from guys that have used it even along with powerful androgens. These along with Flowmax are working great.

5.) High Prolactin can increase 5-alpha-reductase levels, so there may be something to lowering prolactin levels and thus lowering DHT. Take Zinc and B6 which have some evidence of lowering prolactin levels. I don't know about using Caber or Bromo for this, it may be a little too drastic but maybe worth looking into.

6.) Nor-tests have been reported by some bros as being nasty on their prostate. So, you may want to get away and stay away from these (Deca, Trenbolone) as well. Trenbolone has very powerful androgenic qualities (500 Trenbolone vs. Testosterone at 100 if you go by the scale as a guideline, which I know some don't agree with), so it is a definate no-no.

Good Luck.

 

[00pump]

Please keep updates / solutions.. I have gone to the doc the doctor gave me some Vesicare (10mg) stating to me that when you have over a 100mg of urine it can give you that feeling you need to go, based on having PSU or PSA as said in previous post not sure on the exact blood teest name, came back negivate twice. I have tested for bilharsia 3 times over different peroids incase for it being dormant in the body. I have tesed and have 200g or 200mg of blood in the urine too. So this is normally related to kidney issues, the kidney is also showing 75mg or 75 (what ever the unit is to measure in) in my urine this dropped down to 25 when running only EQ but now up at 75 again when on tren / test and eq. I can understand that you going to see protein in your urine when on a course but the blood is what the problem is and this 200 ? of (sum used here) has been visable for over 2 years ?

I am going to a urologist in the next week or so as well as a naturopath and see the outcome, I will keep updates on here to say what works what doesnt... but its been years since I have slept through the night without getting up to go to the toilet.... not kiff! and sometimes it gets so bad I can just go and few minutes later I must go again then I cant and I wait and wait and wait, and then ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, 2 drops.. lol

thanks guys!

 

[lander2312]

i noticed this post and read the past 3 pages...learned lots but noticed one thing that i think should be addressed. The bro who started the thread made mention that he ws going to the doctor but not going to mention the AAS. Guys there is no way a doc can truely help if he doesnt know all if the information that is in play...no way at all...I can only speak for inside the united states...but here we have doctor/client privilege so you can tell you your doc any illegal drugs you might try and he wont/cant tell anyone, but it does possibly give him a very important part of the puzzle. I am new and most of the time just read and learn....but i felt this was too important to not point out. If you go to the doc due to any illegal drug usage....or you think the drug might have played a part....tell your doc. who cares what he thinks...it just might help him save your life.

 

[centeroiler]

Whether or not you tell your doctor is up to you. And, I don't know if I would count BPH as a life threatening situation. But, it is naive to think that because of doctor/client privilege the doctor can't/won't tell anybody about your illegal drug use. Doctors take notes. Who knows where those notes will wind up. Probably in your folder, for lord only knows who, to see. As an example, life insurance companies frequently ask to review your medical history as a requirement for coverage and can deny you coverage based on illegal drug use. My girlfriend is a medical biller/coder and knows the HIPAA laws quite well. After hearing the horror stories from her, I know that so-called patient confidentiality is a farce. It is up to you and how you feel about your doctor.

i noticed this post and read the past 3 pages...learned lots but noticed one thing that i think should be addressed. The bro who started the thread made mention that he ws going to the doctor but not going to mention the AAS. Guys there is no way a doc can truely help if he doesnt know all if the information that is in play...no way at all...I can only speak for inside the united states...but here we have doctor/client privilege so you can tell you your doc any illegal drugs you might try and he wont/cant tell anyone, but it does possibly give him a very important part of the puzzle. I am new and most of the time just read and learn....but i felt this was too important to not point out. If you go to the doc due to any illegal drug usage....or you think the drug might have played a part....tell your doc. who cares what he thinks...it just might help him save your life.

 

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Ouch don't say that!!!!!!! You scaring me.

 

[canadianhitman]

Here's a question for you...and think really hard about this: have you recently held your piss for a long time? As in, delayed going to the bathroom when you really needed to take a leak for some reason?

I ask because a couple of years ago, I held a piss for a very long time at work. Within two days or so, I felt some mild pressure in my prostate area. Within about five days, I was really feelign bad...bad enough to go to the doctor. He suspected an infection, as did I...so it was treated with antibiotics and flomax...which didn't seem to help at all. It was only later that I did some research and realized that if you hold a piss for too long, urine can end up being forced into your prostate. Urine irritates your prostate, causes it to swell, and you are miserable until the swelling subsides.

When it happened to me, it bothered me for the better part of three weeks.

 

[00pump]

I have had this issue for a few years, LOL.... But just got used to getting up at night untill a Professor told me, at your age you should not be having to wake up to go to the toilet everynight...

Anyway, going to another appointment at 4 today... lets see how it goes, I will tell them about juice, I aint going to hide anything that will hinder my recovery.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Here's a question for you...and think really hard about this: have you recently held your piss for a long time? As in, delayed going to the bathroom when you really needed to take a leak for some reason?

I ask because a couple of years ago, I held a piss for a very long time at work. Within two days or so, I felt some mild pressure in my prostate area. Within about five days, I was really feelign bad...bad enough to go to the doctor. He suspected an infection, as did I...so it was treated with antibiotics and flomax...which didn't seem to help at all. It was only later that I did some research and realized that if you hold a piss for too long, urine can end up being forced into your prostate. Urine irritates your prostate, causes it to swell, and you are miserable until the swelling subsides.

When it happened to me, it bothered me for the better part of three weeks.

I'm horrible. Sometimes if its only an hour or so until I have to wake up and I have to piss, I will roll over on my stomach so the feeling totally goes away. Yes I'm a schmuck I know. I piss alot while on cycle. some days alot, some days 3 times all day. But I drink alot of water...duh. Just within the last week I have started to get up once or sometimes twice through sleep and piss. I'm starting to wonder about myself now. No taint issues, sexual wise, pressure, no weak stream (infact its the opposite) no nothing in any other way. When I do get up to go at night, its clear piss. Hence drinking alot of water correct? I may grab some new chapter prostate supps just to be on the safe side. was on test P for 5 weeks, 2 weeks off(long story), then test p some more for 4 weeks, now added deca and starting transitioning to test E and was going to run the deca 10 weeks and the test E 12-15 weeks more.

 

[centeroiler]

I did not know about this. Interesting because that is what BPH feels like. You have to take a monster piss but at the moment of truth its just a trickle. Very anti-climactic . But mine is from the juice, no two ways about it. You certainly aren't doing your prostate or bladder any favors by holding it though. Thats for sure.

Here's a question for you...and think really hard about this: have you recently held your piss for a long time? As in, delayed going to the bathroom when you really needed to take a leak for some reason?

I ask because a couple of years ago, I held a piss for a very long time at work. Within two days or so, I felt some mild pressure in my prostate area. Within about five days, I was really feelign bad...bad enough to go to the doctor. He suspected an infection, as did I...so it was treated with antibiotics and flomax...which didn't seem to help at all. It was only later that I did some research and realized that if you hold a piss for too long, urine can end up being forced into your prostate. Urine irritates your prostate, causes it to swell, and you are miserable until the swelling subsides.

When it happened to me, it bothered me for the better part of three weeks.