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14 Year old Thinking of Juicing. Lets give him Help.

  • Thread starter Thread starter Golfer18--old
  • Start date Start date

Should he Juice?

  • No Wait a few years.

    Votes: 46 62.2%

  • Yes.

    Votes: 9 12.2%

  • WoW, I can't believe it.

    Votes: 12 16.2%

  • No Comment

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • Total voters
    74
  • Poll closed .
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Golfer18--old

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First off don't turn this into a flame thread. I don't wanna see any BULLSHIT guys. I want to give this guy the pros and cons. of usage at his age. If there are any pros.

This is our Conversation on MSN messenger. Im Gorilla Pimp and lets say his name is "Cody."


Only CONSTRUCTIVE info.






Cody says:
hey, did u get my email?

Gorilla Pimp says:
Yes

Cody says:
cool

Gorilla Pimp says:
How old are you?

Cody says:
is that all the talk on the boards now??? that's me huh. figured

Gorilla Pimp says:
14?

Gorilla Pimp says:
I read your profile

Gorilla Pimp says:
Bro

Gorilla Pimp says:
Are you 14?

Cody says:
lol, ya i didn't think about that

Cody says:
yes i won't lie to u

Cody says:
i am 14

Gorilla Pimp says:
So you are gonna do it if i dont help you or not right?

Cody says:
yup

Gorilla Pimp says:
Well if you do......

Gorilla Pimp says:
Dont fuck with serious shit like abombs or halo. Stick to Primo and Anavar.

Gorilla Pimp says:
If you use test at your age it will fuse your bones and you will stop growing.

Cody says:
i'm not gonna do any test

Cody says:
ya, i was just gonna say that......i don't want the side effects of test

Gorilla Pimp says:
How long have you been training?

Cody says:
well probably for the last 2 years, but not consistently...like for the last 6 months probably...

Cody says:
i have been using HGH, creatine, HMB, and protein powder, and i have been consuming tons of protein, and carbs but i just don't gain any frikkin weight

Gorilla Pimp says:
None?

Cody says:
well maybe about 5 pounds, which i lost when i got sick a few weeks ago, and i seem to be losing more, or at least staying where i am

Gorilla Pimp says:
Metabolism is prob to fast.

Cody says:
ya

Gorilla Pimp says:
How tall are you?

Cody says:
i'm not deathly skinny....i am 5'8, 135 lbs

Gorilla Pimp says:
So what are you looking at doing?

Cody says:
well i had a perfect cycle planned out for sust 250, and clomid and nolvadex, but i talked to a few ex-users, and they told me not to touch test, so i'm going with deca for probably 12 weeks

Gorilla Pimp says:
Why not primo or vaR?

Cody says:
i don't know.....i haven't really looked into that stuff very much, but i will

Gorilla Pimp says:
Its very important you do, its not safe to use AS at your age, but if you it needs to be those two.

Cody says:
k

Gorilla Pimp says:
Im not you daddy bro, but i just wanna know why you want to use them.

Cody says:
cuz i'm tired of being my size.....i am a lot stronger than anybody else at my school, and most everybody is scared of me.......it's not to be able to take advantage of people, but i just wanna get bigger and stronger.....

Cody says:
i started school 1 year late, so i'm supposed to be in 9th grade but i'm not, and i have TONS of friends that i hang out with, and they are my best friends, and this has nothing to do with me being friends with them, it is just a coincidence (however u spell that damn word) but they bench between 200 and 450

Cody says:
they are natural, the most they used was creatine and HMB

Gorilla Pimp says:
I am 19.

Gorilla Pimp says:
I have learned some things in life.

Gorilla Pimp says:
The first lesson I learned was to listen to people older than you, they know what their talking about.

Gorilla Pimp says:
But i didnt, and i regret and had to learn from my mistakes.

Gorilla Pimp says:
I hope you dont make the wrong decision.

Gorilla Pimp says:
and then regret it.

Cody says:
i know the weight will come to me and that i will be fine without roids, but just i dunno....... i am gonna try a cycle and then NO MORE, and i may or may not do another cycle once i am ready for it (like early 20s), most likely NOT. yes i know what you are talking about, because i know a few 19 year old juicers too.

Gorilla Pimp says:
What happens if you dont get away with that one cycle and side effects occur? Can you deal with that?

Cody says:
can i really hurt myself that bad with just deca???

Gorilla Pimp says:
Yes.

Gorilla Pimp says:
All i can tell you is the risk worth the reward.

Cody says:
worth it?

Cody says:
brb

Gorilla Pimp says:
Is it worth using steroids, and then messing your body up for the rest of your life. Is it worth it to gain a few pounds?

Cody says:
back......umm no, but what exactly can i do to my body for the rest of my life?

Gorilla Pimp says:
Let me post what you told me on elite, than you can let all the mods and vets tell you whats best. They know their shit too but its good to have more than one opinion.

Gorilla Pimp says:
Then u can hear what bros like Huck and Zyglamail have to say
 
There are no pros, and anyone that suggests it is ok for a 14 year old to take gear is a fucking idiot. Golfer you might want to distance yourself from this kid, if he goes ahead anyway and something bad happens, if your information was somehow found out you'd be crucified. And rightfully so.
 
genarr3 said:
There are no pros, and anyone that suggests it is ok for a 14 year old to take gear is a fucking idiot. Golfer you might want to distance yourself from this kid, if he goes ahead anyway and something bad happens, if your information was somehow found out you'd be crucified. And rightfully so.
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Just trying to help him realize the mistake he is gonna make. I understand where you are coming from Genarr. I think he just needed to hear it from more people.
 
to tell you the truth i started at 14 know iam 19..at 14 i did one cycle which was 200mgs of primo and 20mgs of anavar(had someone helping me from the gym and ripping me off at the same time lol)....but i would tell a 14 year old to wait a couple of years....
 
deca can stunt his growth also. The only option is anavar. I remeber reading somewhere awhile ago it is the only steroid that won't stunt growth. Also I've heard taking steroids that young could possibly shut down your natural test for good. By the way these are just things I read so don't know for sure. I mean its not like their is to much info on 14yrs. olds and gear.lol:D
 
do the anavar..................... tell him to do var and creatine bro.... thats all he'll need.. deca? aww hell no not at 14:p ;)
 
What I find funny (not in a haha sort of way), is that he says he eats tons of calories.

I remember when I first started getting serious I used to think tons of calories was around 3000, and my maintenance was around 2500. Now after 5 years of trial and error I have a pretty good idea of how my body reacts to calories, my maintenance is around 3900, and to put on weight at a reasonable rate I need around 4300-4500.

People almost always over estimate their daily calorie intake unless they count them.
 
OH MY GOD!!!! This is just fucking stupid! Golfer, how did he contact you. I cna see you were trying to keep him from it. I pm'd you with my aim screen name. He can Instant message me and I will talk to him if he would like. This is not a game we are playing. I think you were right in posting this. I will help in any way possible. And I would kick the shit out of a person that sold to a 14year old.
 
jstrong20 said:
deca can stunt his growth also. The only option is anavar. I remeber reading somewhere awhile ago it is the only steroid that won't stunt growth. Also I've heard taking steroids that young could possibly shut down your natural test for good. By the way these are just things I read so don't know for sure. I mean its not like their is to much info on 14yrs. olds and gear.lol:D
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IMO there is no option. 14 is too young....period!:mad:
 
Quadsweep said:
OH MY GOD!!!! This is just fucking stupid! Golfer, how did he contact you. I cna see you were trying to keep him from it. I pm'd you with my aim screen name. He can Instant message me and I will talk to him if he would like. This is not a game we are playing. I think you were right in posting this. I will help in any way possible. And I would kick the shit out of a person that sold to a 14year old.
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Im tried bro, i will PM you his screen name.:)
 
sk* that is what i have to say too. Maybe he understands now.
 
Dude 14 is way to young. Tell him to eat everything in site (mostly carbs and protein) and stick to a heavy weight training routine. This kid can really mess up his life. He needs to wait till his body slows down the growth.
Steel
 
Im assuming this kid is reading so Im gonna type as if I were talking to him.


Bro I understand that you want to be big and strong like your friends but youve got to understand its just not worth it. YOur gonna gro allot in the next 3-4 years it will almost be like being on juice. If you juice now you may cheat yourself of your natural boost of testosterone that your getting in your adolescent years. YOu should take advantage of this growth your gonna get, lift and take care of yourself.
Then when youve stopped growing you can start thinking about AS. IF you take AS now your also gonna introduce AS to your receptors so yoru gonna take away some of the effectiveness of juice for when you get older. YOu should save juice for later because therefore it will be much more effective for you. Put it this way if you do that cycle of deca it will be a waste because you would proably gotten that big naturally by just waiting . Its almost like your doing a cycle (a natural cycle) right now.
 
I've been lifting since I was a sophmore in high school. I'm 27 now, and the thing I'm most grateful about is that I didn't start using gear until I was about 23. Since I put in a lot of natural time, my body thinks its job is to be big and strong. So, when I go off gear, it doesn't revert back to a scrawny turd like I was in High school.

If you start this early, you WILL rely on gear for growth for a long time. My vote is to bust your ass naturally and wait. I know a lot of bodybuilders, pro and otherwise. I also know a lot of guys that started juicing at really young ages. I've learned that if you do them now, you will regret it forever I promise.
 
Kid you need to listen to everyone on this board when they say no! There are a lot of experienced people here and you need to wait!
 
Golfer18 said:
Cody says:
i'm not deathly skinny....i am 5'8, 135 lbs


Cody says:
cuz i'm tired of being my size.....i am a lot stronger than anybody else at my school, and most everybody is scared of me.......it's not to be able to take advantage of people, but i just wanna get bigger and stronger.....
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i'm sure all thoes kids are afraid of him at 5'8" 135.. rofl.. maybe in pre-school. This kid is an idiot put it at that. Its ridicilous shit like this that gives teens a bad rap. Thoes morons who dont know shit about training and just wana juice from the start
 
Bro all I have to say is please don't do this to yourself at such a young age. I am 20 now and to think where I was when i was 14 I was 5'8" at maybe 127lbs. Just starting 8th grade football and weight training. I disliked seeing myself only able to bench 100lbs, buy hey I was 14!!!!!! As the years passed and I kept to a somewhat constant routine I didn't gain much weight. At 5'9" and 160lbs now I haven't gained much weight but I am a hardgainer, probably just like you, but my strengh has gone through the roof naturally. In HS I was one of the strongest guys for my weight. I could out lift most guys who weighted 175-200lbs. I never really took suppliments when I was in HS eithor and my diet was all but horrible(junk food, beer, lots of beer). I tried creatine for a while but with all the stuff I had going on I didn't like it. It just dried me out, I didn't drink enough water. But think if I would have taken creatine right and dedicated myself to eating and working out right I would be a heck of a lot stronger with some more lbs. too. I am just now scratching the surface of AS. I have been working out for 5 good years and my gains would come but seemed like they would take for ever. So even now I have only been taking creatine everyday and some other suppliments and I am still making slow gains. I then decided that I had hit a plateau. I was benching 275, squating 410, leg pressing 650 and deadlifting 445. I felt strong for 160lbs but wanted to push it some more. I finally decided to take AS about a month ago. I am still taking the safe side and doing creatine/anavar. Thats it!!!!! I ask you PLEASE,PLEASE take all these warnings seriously!! You have so much NATURAL potential, take advantage of it while you can, don't mess it up and your body/life!!!! It's just not worth it.
 
Distortion said:

i think he needs to go though puberty first right?
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LOL, yea that's the first thing that came to my mind. He balls are already small, he doesn't know what adult balls are.
 
ViperHMS said:
Bro all I have to say is please don't do this to yourself at such a young age. I am 20 now and to think where I was when i was 14 I was 5'8" at maybe 127lbs. Just starting 8th grade football and weight training. I disliked seeing myself only able to bench 100lbs, buy hey I was 14!!!!!! As the years passed and I kept to a somewhat constant routine I didn't gain much weight. At 5'9" and 160lbs now I haven't gained much weight but I am a hardgainer, probably just like you, but my strengh has gone through the roof naturally. In HS I was one of the strongest guys for my weight. I could out lift most guys who weighted 175-200lbs. I never really took suppliments when I was in HS eithor and my diet was all but horrible(junk food, beer, lots of beer). I tried creatine for a while but with all the stuff I had going on I didn't like it. It just dried me out, I didn't drink enough water. But think if I would have taken creatine right and dedicated myself to eating and working out right I would be a heck of a lot stronger with some more lbs. too. I am just now scratching the surface of AS. I have been working out for 5 good years and my gains would come but seemed like they would take for ever. So even now I have only been taking creatine everyday and some other suppliments and I am still making slow gains. I then decided that I had hit a plateau. I was benching 275, squating 410, leg pressing 650 and deadlifting 445. I felt strong for 160lbs but wanted to push it some more. I finally decided to take AS about a month ago. I am still taking the safe side and doing creatine/anavar. Thats it!!!!! I ask you PLEASE,PLEASE take all these warnings seriously!! You have so much NATURAL potential, take advantage of it while you can, don't mess it up and your body/life!!!! It's just not worth it.
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Great post Viper.
 
4 years ago when i was the innocent age of 14 it would of took me months to save up for some of the supplements this kid listed, let alone a cycle. What are you doing son beating up kids for their lunch money to buy yer shit? Damn, 14 years old and he wants to do juice, these so called friends you hang out with are fucking retards. Honestly kid stay away from AS until your body is fully developed, do you think you would be able to handle having your body covered with zits or any other side effects, in high school that's got to be hell. At 14 years old the only thing I would suggest taking is maybe protein, that's all you need at that age. Eat lots and train hard and it will come, anyone will tell you that. Take in everything everyone's saying and stay away from AS. Good luck son.
 
I can honestly remember watching the Bozo show, those were the days.:)
 
i myself wish i would have waited till my 20s to juice. i severly limited my natural potential and really cut myself out of a lot of natural growth.
the other thing i wanted to say was...no matter how mature you think you are at 14, i doubt a 14 year old has the ability to stick with all that juicing requires. outstanding diet calculated to the calorie every day, books and books worth of knowledge of synergistic, catabolic, and other various reactions between juice and drugs/food/supplements, amongst other things, and of course the undying devotion to pushing big heavy iron, day in and day out until every ounce of you is writhing in pain. all in all the point im trying to make is that juicing isnt just about stabbing yourself with a needle...thats the easy part...its a lifestyle and i doubt a 14 year old has the drive to go through with all that it entails.
 
Know what PAINLY?? I do not drink, or smoke. I hate smokers, they are gay. Especially if they are in mid school. Drugs do not excite me. I have a life. And how do u guys know if I have gone through puberty yet huh? U don’t know shit. My friends are not fucking retards…Illinistud45. NONE of my friends even know about my stuff. Except for one of my good friends at my school who I am shipping my shit to his house. Nobody suggested steroids for me to take. I got into the internet looking at the side effects, just cuz I was curious, and I had heard the word “steroids” a few times in public, and I got interested and looked at them on the internet and I kept looking more and more and I liked the idea. So what!! OH and MALHAVOC….i didn’t say one frikkin word about calories in the conversation. I was talkin about protein and carbs. And what I said is a lot of food for me ok! It is like 2.5 X my body weight, and that’s all I can eat, but I always try to eat more. Whoever said I would crucify golfer, and get him in trouble if I get roids and hurt myself, I couldn’t do that even if I wanted to!! Golfer is not going to change my mind about the decision I make. If anybody does, then it will be everybody on the boards. Half of the side effects everybody talked to me about will not happen to me! I have talked to my physician, nurse, and tons of ex-users. I am going to see my physician again soon. And talk to her………...DISTORTATION……you talk a lot of shit. I have a good clean life –k-. and keep in mind….i go to a middle school!!!! I bench 150. That is a lot more than any other 8th grader. A lot of my friends can get up 165 in 8th grade. That is good. I am not just juicing from the start, bud. This isn’t the start. Ultragainz, I wanna talk to u k, since u started at 14. well I gotta get. Sorry if I sounded like I was flaming earlier, I was correcting people about my life. I had my mind made up, but i am still thinkin bout juicin
k
 
Cody14105 said:
Know what PAINLY?? I do not drink, or smoke. I hate smokers, they are gay. Especially if they are in mid school. Drugs do not excite me. I have a life. And how do u guys know if I have gone through puberty yet huh? U don?t know shit. My friends are not fucking retards?Illinistud45. NONE of my friends even know about my stuff. Except for one of my good friends at my school who I am shipping my shit to his house. Nobody suggested steroids for me to take. I got into the internet looking at the side effects, just cuz I was curious, and I had heard the word ?steroids? a few times in public, and I got interested and looked at them on the internet and I kept looking more and more and I liked the idea. So what!! OH and MALHAVOC?.i didn?t say one frikkin word about calories in the conversation. I was talkin about protein and carbs. And what I said is a lot of food for me ok! It is like 2.5 X my body weight, and that?s all I can eat, but I always try to eat more. Whoever said I would crucify golfer, and get him in trouble if I get roids and hurt myself, I couldn?t do that even if I wanted to!! Golfer is not going to change my mind about the decision I make. If anybody does, then it will be everybody on the boards. Half of the side effects everybody talked to me about will not happen to me! I have talked to my physician, nurse, and tons of ex-users. I am going to see my physician again soon. And talk to her???...DISTORTATION??you talk a lot of shit. I have a good clean life ?k-. and keep in mind?.i go to a middle school!!!! I bench 150. That is a lot more than any other 8th grader. A lot of my friends can get up 165 in 8th grade. That is good. I am not just juicing from the start, bud. This isn?t the start. Ultragainz, I wanna talk to u k, since u started at 14. well I gotta get. Sorry if I sounded like I was flaming earlier, I was correcting people about my life. I had my mind made up, but i am still thinkin bout juicin
k
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I guess all we can hope is that age imparts some wisdom.
 
Quadsweep said:

IMO there is no option. 14 is too young....period!:mad:
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Thats what I think to but did you read what the kid said. He said he would do it no matter what. So I think the best thing to do is help him out.
 
actually i was gonna do it no matter what people said, cuz i already knew most of what would happen to me, but i have a future, and i don't wanna jack it up. also, i was not planning on revealing my board name who i am, because then nobody would take my threads seriously! but i had to say something, and its ok cuz i'm getting good advice, and in the future i may have to get a new account with a new name on elite. hehe
 
the point is not to get big like my friends. my friends have nothing to do with it at all. i'm doing it for me, not for the attention or popularity. i have understood how u need to have a good base to start with (having already lifted naturally for a few years) ...................i dunno it's sooooo hard to explain where i am, but i'll figure it all out.
 
Cody14105 said:
the point is not to get big like my friends. my friends have nothing to do with it at all. i'm doing it for me, not for the attention or popularity. i have understood how u need to have a good base to start with (having already lifted naturally for a few years) ...................i dunno it's sooooo hard to explain where i am, but i'll figure it all out.
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if you do choose to do it, i hope you get bad gyno. i hope you get bad acne. i hope you get an abcess from injections. i hope you fuck up your growth. i hope you get liver disease. i hope you shut down your testosterone for good. i hope you get blood pressure problems. that way, you can be all fucked up, and go around and show other 14 year olds how AS fucked you up 'cause you took them LONG before you should have. that way, we have to worry less about kids like you taking AS.
 
Cody14105 said:
the point is not to get big like my friends. my friends have nothing to do with it at all. i'm doing it for me, not for the attention or popularity. i have understood how u need to have a good base to start with (having already lifted naturally for a few years) ...................i dunno it's sooooo hard to explain where i am, but i'll figure it all out.
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Listen kid, you simply do not understand. At your age is it basically impossible to get "big." Your frame cannot hold the kind of muscle mass you want yet....I know no one can convince you otherwise but at least ask yourself if you like the way your bone structure is right now...
 
. i have understood how u need to have a good base to start with (having already lifted naturally for a few years) ...................i dunno it's sooooo hard to explain where i am, but i'll figure it all out.

Bro... what the fuck are you talkin about? Having already lifted naturally for a few years. Jesus, you are 14yrs old. I am 35 and have been at it since I was 13yrs old. I can tell you now that you know nuthin about your body, how it REALLY responds to reps, sets, heavy, light, diet, aerobics, etc. etc. etc. I know how you feel man. You want to be big and be big now. I just did my first cycle after 22yrs of lifting naturally and you know what. Because I took the time to learn about my body I can truly say that I have made an educated decision and my gains are real and because I have spent the time my gains will stay. If you decide to do this now, not only will you not keep any of the gains but you will likely mess up you endocrine system to the point that lifting, either on roids or naturally might never be an option. Please bro, reconsider. Do the right thing and earn the respect of others and yourself first. (Jesus I sound like my fuckin father) Peace The Bus
 
Bro, you talk about talking to your physician and nurses and ex users and shit an your telling us that they all say bad things wont happen? Even if you found a physician or nurse that even remotly condoned AAS use, they would never tell you to use at your age. WTF is the matter with you? All these users telling you not to use and you still wont listen.....Are you Yoda or something? Do you posess a knowledge about AAS that we dont? We know a hell of a lot more about it than you do, so listen to the voice of reason. This shit aint like eating tic-tacs. These are hormones. The way they interact with the body are too complex for the bros on this board (unless we have some resident endocrineologists, Macro, The cock, or the other smart ass muthafuckas). 8th grade and talking about juicin? Shit whats the world coming to. Why the fuck are you so concerned about this now? Wait bro, keep trainin hard and natural and juice at about 19-20 when your growth plates have stopped expanding. You might fuck your underdeveloped prostate up, or shut down your young and far from mature gonads up along with your HPTA.
 
Bro first off you ain't strong for 14, and you aren't smart either. Listen to all of these guys. I am 20 and still am deciding if and when I may try my first cycle.

I beched 205 in 8th grade I was 5'7" 160. I had natural High Test levels and also had gyno. If you start now you will end up with some nasty shit going on. Acne, Depression when you lose all your gains (if any), Gyno(female breast like tissue, big momma tits)

You say you don't like drugs, what are AAS? What happens when you get caught with them, same as Pot, Coke ect. Wait a while. Your test will be so high in a year or two you will have the potential to grow like a weed. Lift Hard, Eat Hard and stay in school. Trust me you can grow a lot and get very strong on your own. y Uncle and Father were both Natural Powerlifters and showed me the way.

Don't be dumb, "Live Real Fast and die real young" is a very true quote.
 
I am still not sure what the reason he even wants to try gear is??? He has already stated that he is the strongest at his school, although I can't imagine too many middle school kids are that adamant about training. Is there some underlying goal he is trying to get at here?
 
underlying goal?

Perhaps he just wants the attention this post has given him. NOW he feels like a big boy.

How about his comment:
"Half of the side effects everybody talked to me about will not happen to me! "

It's like the teen age girl who says she can't get pregnant the first time she has sex. Or the people who have unsafe sex because they KNOW they won't get AIDS.

Who cares if he's gone through puberty, is already strong, the fact is he is not emotionally mature enough to be using any AS.
 
dont u just love the internet??!!!i mean seriously..if the internet wasnt here,,this kid probably wouldnt even know what or anything about steroids...but then again....neither would alot of people on here
 
Lets go over some facts that people tend to forget:

To everyone on this thread:
1. If you think guys don't start using AAS at 14, you're
delirious. It happens more often than you know.

2. The more you flame him, the more drive you'll give
him in wanting to start AAS.

3. Lets look at this scenario:
- Some people don't have the money to go to University.
- Therefore a scholarship is the ony option.
- If this is the case, most people would shift the odds
to their favour in order to be really good and get a scholarship.
This is were AAS comes into play, and is the MAIN
reason why some kids choose to juice at 14.

Sometimes guys, its far more complicated than just
simply getting bigger.

If this is NOT the case, then you have image problems or
you're not exactly patient.
One way is acceptable to me, but the other is DEFINATELY
NOT.
if you don't have financial problems then I suggest you stop.
Chances are you'll regret it.

Personally, I get the feeling you're doing this for just "the look",
or the "Don't mess with me b/c I'm very strong" feeling.
which is ridiculous at your age. If it was for the reason I
stated above this paragraph then I'd understand, but I don't
think it is.

Lastly, regarding your AAS being shipped to your friends house.
Your friend is a MINOR. If he gets caught, HIS PARENTS
will be in a whole load of trouble. And I can tell you with 100%
sureness your friend will spill the beans on you if his parents
get MAD at him..
Just something to ponder

Fonz
 
Gee Fonz, between posting DNP info on a site for Anorexics and suggesting sometimes it's ok for 14 year olds to use gear you're on quite a roll.
 
genarr3 said:
Gee Fonz, between posting DNP info on a site for Anorexics and suggesting sometimes it's ok for 14 year olds to use gear you're on quite a roll.
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No. Simply much more observant than you.

If you'd actualy played in a top high-school team you'd
understand. You tend to simplify everything to fit
your own perspective, therfore making it BIASED.

Next time I suggest you look at it from yours and his
perspective and then comment on it. Its called
being impartial.

Fonz
 
Did this kid just hit a growth sput? 5'8" is a good height for 14 if he did his weight will fill in soon. btw I was 5'8" 140 in high school. Did less cardio and lifted heavier and ate everything and gained 35 lbs in 6 months my senior year. Maybe not the leanest but it gave me a good base to work with. This kid can't take AS. Everyone on this board told me first learn how to lift and gain wieght thru good training then worry about AS later. Doesn't this apply to 14 yrs olds also
 
wow everyone went crazy on this kid...wonder what you guys are saying about me cause i started at that age?...i didnt do anything dumb just took 20mgs of anavar and 200mgs of primo..i wouldnt let any kid start at that age but if some kid wanted to i would say LEARN about roids and see what the pros and cons are...and dont take the hard stuff...just take it easy at that young age...thats it
 
It seems that all this bro want to use it for ist to get a little bigger. He has no social problems so it doesnt seem like an image/confidence issue that much. He didnt say anything about needing it for sports. So id say lift natually and wait to juice.

Fonz, DNP for an anorexic? Id say DNP as an alternative to anorexia, but damn bro, not for an anorexic, they are already fucked up. If that is indeed what you meant, i didnt read the thread in question......
 
bigrand said:
It seems that all this bro want to use it for ist to get a little bigger. He has no social problems so it doesnt seem like an image/confidence issue that much. He didnt say anything about needing it for sports. So id say lift natually and wait to juice.

Fonz, DNP for an anorexic? Id say DNP as an alternative to anorexia, but damn bro, not for an anorexic, they are already fucked up. If that is indeed what you meant, i didnt read the thread in question......
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LOL Bigrand...I know it sounds ridiculous, but it was for
overweight anorexics. The sort of people that are trying
to lose weight but since they don't know how to diet they
get caught in the typical futility cycle making them hate
themselves more and more because of their failure.
I suggested low-dose DNP cycles(100mg/day)(Quite safe)
in order for them to start losing fat and acquire some self-esteem.
In the long-run, I was pretty sure that their newfound confidence
would make them end their cycle of self hatred and make them
more likely to give healthy eating a try.

I guess I'm more sensitive to people's issues than most
people. If I can help someone in any way with my knowledge
I'm certainly going to give it a try no matter how many
people are against my views.

Fonz
 
ultragainz said:
wow everyone went crazy on this kid...wonder what you guys are saying about me cause i started at that age?...i didnt do anything dumb just took 20mgs of anavar and 200mgs of primo..i wouldnt let any kid start at that age but if some kid wanted to i would say LEARN about roids and see what the pros and cons are...and dont take the hard stuff...just take it easy at that young age...thats it
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Ultra, As everyone knows we differ greatly in opinions on cycle dosage. I still think 14 is way to young no matter what is used but it does sound like he is going to do it no matter what. I hope he does not get messed up. I also hope he tties to learn a little here too.

Peace
 
bigrand said:
It seems that all this bro want to use it for ist to get a little bigger. He has no social problems so it doesnt seem like an image/confidence issue that much. He didnt say anything about needing it for sports. So id say lift natually and wait to juice.

Fonz, DNP for an anorexic? Id say DNP as an alternative to anorexia, but damn bro, not for an anorexic, they are already fucked up. If that is indeed what you meant, i didnt read the thread in question......
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LOL Bigrand...I know it sounds ridiculous, but it was for
overweight anorexics. The sort of people that are trying
to lose weight but since they don't know how to diet they
get caught in the typical futility cycle making them hate
themselves more and more because of their failure.
I suggested low-dose DNP cycles(100mg/day)(Quite safe)
in order for them to start losing fat and acquire some self-esteem.
In the long-run, I was pretty sure that their newfound confidence
would make them end their cycle of self hatred and make them
more likely to give healthy eating a try.

I guess I'm more sensitive to people's issues than most
people. If I can help someone in any way with my knowledge
I'm certainly going to give it a try no matter how many
people are against my views.

Fonz
 
better wait dude. I wanted to at 18, but was told by some friends to wait. I wasn't going to wait,but I did, and am damn glad that I did wait too!! oughta listen to these guys, they know that they are talking about.

Whiskey
 
I'm surprised noone has metioned Human Growth hormone to this kid.. I thought this stuff is best for kids in their teens? :fro:
 
Bro, I'll help you out.

Get some Ttokkyo Testonon and shoot 1cc twice a week, once in your left, once in your right glute. Use an 18g needle. 1.5". Make sure to aspirate and wipe the injection site AND the vial with alcohol wipes.

If you have the discipline to keep THAT cycle up then you have the discipline to eat and lift more and shouldn't be juicing. If you CAN'T handle that cycle you should try to eat and lift more and shouldn't be juicing.
 
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ok, i didn't say that i had already hit my plateau, or whatever, and that i had lifted naturally for a long time! i said that i know thats what u have to do. i have not done that! and i didn't say i was strong for 14, whoever brought that up, because I AM NOT STRONG AT ALL FOR A 14 year old....baddogg--- i have been using hGH. that was in the convo with golfer. bigrand has it right.....all i want to do is get a little bigger, and i do not have social problems, or any confidence or self esteem problems. I'm not doing it for sports either. well it would be an advantage, but thats not the reason. i have been 5'8 since last january. i know i'm not done growing, but hopefully not.
 
Cody14105 said:
ok, i didn't say that i had already hit my plateau, or whatever, and that i had lifted naturally for a long time! i said that i know thats what u have to do. i have not done that! and i didn't say i was strong for 14, whoever brought that up, because I AM NOT STRONG AT ALL FOR A 14 year old....baddogg--- i have been using hGH. that was in the convo with golfer. bigrand has it right.....all i want to do is get a little bigger, and i do not have social problems, or any confidence or self esteem problems. I'm not doing it for sports either. well it would be an advantage, but thats not the reason. i have been 5'8 since last january. i know i'm not done growing, but hopefully not.
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Sorry, but I just don't believe you.

You have an ulterior motive that you're not telling us about IMO.

People just don't "decide" to start using AAS out of the blue.

There is ALWAYS an underlying reason or a critical event
that made you decide.

So, do us all a favour and spill it. Being dishonest is going
to achieve nothing.

Fonz
 
ohhh and whoever said i brought all this up just to get attention on the boards is not true. why the hell would i do it to get attention? why would i need attention on the boards for something like that? i don't want to be known as a user publicly. also, i'm not talkin about all this because then nobody would care about my threads. i used this site for a while previously to all this just for info. it was a good source for that

there is nothing i am hiding from u people, and the thought of steroids has come on more and more for quite a while....what do u mean by ulterior motive? whats that
 
Hey kid, and make no mistake about it YOU are a kid. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way it's the simple truth. There is no way in hell you should do juice now. I had a friend in H.S. he was 17 when he started juicing with his brothers older friends,19-20, and he was dead at 19. NO B.S. ! I also had a couple of friends who were dating the best looking girls in school, for a couple of weeks. They ditched them cuz they looked good but because of the gear and how they did it the couldn't get it up! Kid, you really need to train hard natural now, using protein shakes, mass builders. I would even stay away from the creatine for now as there are conflicting reports on adolescent use. Trust me it seems like it will take forever to get to where youwant to be, but, enjoy the ride. It seems like yesterday I was 18 and it was 13 years ago,(almost as old as you are now!). So just chill for now and listen to the advice of the people here they have been doing this for a long time and know what they are talking about.

Later Bro....barbell265

:beer:
 
Cody14105 said:
ohhh and whoever said i brought all this up just to get attention on the boards is not true. why the hell would i do it to get attention? why would i need attention on the boards for something like that? i don't want to be known as a user publicly. also, i'm not talkin about all this because then nobody would care about my threads. i used this site for a while previously to all this just for info. it was a good source for that

there is nothing i am hiding from u people, and the thought of steroids has come on more and more for quite a while....what do u mean by ulterior motive? whats that
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He means there is another reason you are wanting to use them.
 
If theres no possible way that your gonna lay off the gear until later in life, run anavar at 20mgs every day for 8 weeks. You will be the baddest motherfucker at your school.
 
Primal X said:
If theres no possible way that your gonna lay off the gear until later in life, run anavar at 20mgs every day for 8 weeks. You will be the baddest motherfucker at your school.
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Everything sounded good except for the last sentence, that will make him drop a-bombs.:D
 
Fonz said:
Lets go over some facts that people tend to forget:

To everyone on this thread:
1. If you think guys don't start using AAS at 14, you're
delirious. It happens more often than you know.

2. The more you flame him, the more drive you'll give
him in wanting to start AAS.

3. Lets look at this scenario:
- Some people don't have the money to go to University.
- Therefore a scholarship is the ony option.
- If this is the case, most people would shift the odds
to their favour in order to be really good and get a scholarship.
This is were AAS comes into play, and is the MAIN
reason why some kids choose to juice at 14.

Sometimes guys, its far more complicated than just
simply getting bigger.

If this is NOT the case, then you have image problems or
you're not exactly patient.
One way is acceptable to me, but the other is DEFINATELY
NOT.
if you don't have financial problems then I suggest you stop.
Chances are you'll regret it.

Personally, I get the feeling you're doing this for just "the look",
or the "Don't mess with me b/c I'm very strong" feeling.
which is ridiculous at your age. If it was for the reason I
stated above this paragraph then I'd understand, but I don't
think it is.

Lastly, regarding your AAS being shipped to your friends house.
Your friend is a MINOR. If he gets caught, HIS PARENTS
will be in a whole load of trouble. And I can tell you with 100%
sureness your friend will spill the beans on you if his parents
get MAD at him..
Just something to ponder

Fonz
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good post fonz---most of the people on here are arm-chair quarterbacks-------Should this kid be taking gear--hell no. But there are teenagers out there that are taking them(a shitload of teenagers at that)most people are naive about the subject. If a kid has a great shot at making something out of his life with sports, then in this day in age-if he isn't on something --His chances just dropped because almost everyone else is....But this kid here is wasting his time with gear and probably will become just more depressed then he already is if he uses..peace
 
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Hey bro, I have a nephew your age. I can't even imagine him using at his age. First of all, what's the harm in waiting? You're going to be a lot better off, trust everyone. People here aren't making shit up, they are speaking from experience and years of knowledge. There's no reason you can't gain 50 pounds naturally. I have been there. I lifted off and on from age 12. I stopped for about 7 years and weighed in at a huge 154 lbs at 6'1". I started back more determined than ever and natural except for protein supplements and food. 1 year later ... 205lbs. Listen to us when we tell you that you have natural potential at your age. You are nowhere near the end of puberty at 14 ... you'll probably keep growing at least until you are 18-20. You stand to have major complications if you decide to juice at this age. Things are still developing, ya dig?

At least get a few years of natural training under your belt before deciding to do something like this. I would wait until 18 at a minimum. You are going to go through a ton of mental / physical changes between now and 18. More from 18 to 23 and so on and so on. Your ideas and goals are going to change completely probably about 3 times from now 'til your late twenties.

I have some questions for you:

What are the goals you are trying to achieve by doing this?

How much weight do you want to gain?

How much weight do you think you'll be able to gain?

What makes you think you will be able to maintain the weight that you 'might gain' if you aren't able to gain weight naturally already?

Do us a favor and post your diet, training routine, and complete stats. I'm sure there is much that can be done to develop you naturally right now.

Remember, the juice isn't going to help unless your diet is on. How many times have you seen people posting on boards saying I'm jacked but not gaining weight. IMO, 80% of this shit is diet related. No food, no growth. Diet is my downfall too and sure we'd all like some magic pill to take so we wouldn't have to ingest so much food that we're actually sick of chewing. It doesn't work that way. I hope you listen to everyone here and try the natural approach until you're finished developing. Otherwise, you might have quite a few fellas trying to take you to prom because of your huge tits. Be smart my man, you'll thank yourself for it later in life.
 
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barbell265 said:
Hey kid, and make no mistake about it YOU are a kid. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way it's the simple truth. There is no way in hell you should do juice now. I had a friend in H.S. he was 17 when he started juicing with his brothers older friends,19-20, and he was dead at 19. NO B.S. ! I also had a couple of friends who were dating the best looking girls in school, for a couple of weeks. They ditched them cuz they looked good but because of the gear and how they did it the couldn't get it up! Kid, you really need to train hard natural now, using protein shakes, mass builders. I would even stay away from the creatine for now as there are conflicting reports on adolescent use. Trust me it seems like it will take forever to get to where youwant to be, but, enjoy the ride. It seems like yesterday I was 18 and it was 13 years ago,(almost as old as you are now!). So just chill for now and listen to the advice of the people here they have been doing this for a long time and know what they are talking about.

Later Bro....barbell265

:beer:
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are you trying to tell us that your friend died because of steroid use? please!!!!!
 
If your already on HGH then what else do you need? If I was you I would try creatine before AS. Your hormones are just getting established and your balls will fall off if you use AS at 14. Stick with your HGH(Was this prescribed to you or is this black market?)
You are already strong as it is..When I was a freshmen I could only bench 115 You've already topped me so it's untelling what your potential is. You still have a BUNCH of growth spurts left which means you could be very tall but if you use AS then you will be a short transexual because your nads fell off.:mommakin:
 
k, well i shouldn't have said anything about the hgh, cuz it's this shit that is in a bottle, and it sprays under ur tongue, and u keep it there for like 30 sec, then swallow it. Its bullshit. i was just experimenting when i bought it. i didn't have anything to lose, so i tried it, but i stopped after like 1 week when i got sooo sick, and then i figured out my cycle and i needed to stop spending money, to save up. so i never had the chance to find out if it really worked or not.
 
do you have any lifting friends? do you play any sports? or do you just sit on your computer all day planning out cycles
 
none of my friends in middle school lift except for one, and he's pretty big, but i have a lot of friends that lift in high school. they are like all my best friends........no i don't sit on the computer all day planning out cycles. i got some ideas from a friend who is in college.
 
He fully beat me to the punch. I knew the HGH would be the spray on kind from GNC. :lmao:

Anyway bro, and all kidding aside, the two things I'd look at if I were you would be:

1. You WILL stop growing if you take AS.
Just as Golfer18 and others have said, test (or most all other AS's) will FUSE your bones together. My brother had an undeveloped pituitary gland and was smaller than you at 17. He got prescribed HGH and once he grew to what the doc thought was his limit he THEN took Test Enanthate. Mind you, he has to continue testosterone replacement FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. Something that could very well happen to you if this shuts you down for good.

2. What do all guys think about in HS?? - BOOBS!! ..ok, chicks!
If you do this, fully expect to hook up with some hot chick some day and then look in horror when you can't get it up.
:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

In just a few short years 16-18 you'll have so much natural test running through you that you'll be able to gain a ton of mass naturally, provided you follow a good diet, more so than a lot of us that are ON gear. My bro-in-law is 18 and if he just LOOKS at a weight he grows.

Be patient bro, in all sincerity, be patient it WILL come.
 
man why don't you get a doc to prescribe you some HGH.. and while your on it take some safe supplements with it like creatine,glutamine,ALA,flax seed oil and the most important protein.. Buy some protein shakes from walmarts. They have this off brand stuff that is kinda cheap also you can get two 4-packs of eas shakes for like 5 bucks(not sure what it is called...I would take it with you to class and drink it during school and eat well afterwards...also you need a post workout shake. Get some whey protein(optimum nutrition, also supplement direct has a 20$ for 5lb deal) and dextrose.. Mix 40g's of whey protein with 75 grams of dextrose...75 grams is like 1/3 cup.. Don't be ashamed to drink the protein during class, It's better than eating a snickers bar. You will be surprised how big you will get.. :fro:
 
lol, well the injectable HGH is wayy too expensive for me, plus i just thought i would give the spray crud a shot. i got it from some dude on ebay i think. lol :D
 
Hey man, what are your thoughts so far? Has any of this advice helped? I don't think everybody is jumping in here because we want more gear for ourselves. :) Most people here do give a shit, especially when your health is potentially at risk. Do the right thing ...
 
and steroids are cheap? try some black market HGH then...save your money..better safe than sorry.. what if you get in the middle of your cycle and your parents find your stash and take it away? You will be screwed then and you will crash. have you tried prohormones? I tried PH's once and I got the shakes(my muscles would twitch and flex without me trying to do it..I couldn't imagine what would happen if I did AS..just stick with what I posted earlier.. If you can't get HGH no biggy...get some creapure instead and get some glutamine peptides from sports one.You will be bigger than everyone in no time...also what is your stats? diet,workout routine,(what does your blood tests look like?),sleeping patterns,
 
sorry but i didnt read all these post but some said take gh?..i would NOT take gh at 14..if you really want to take some stuff hit a low amount of anavar with creatine..or dont take anything...and whats making you juice?...i started young cause i saw some HUGE guys at the gym and on cover of Flex..i started training at 12 and start juice at 14..and got ripped off at 14 too LOL...but why dont you NOT take anything and just learn about roids start later on in life...like at 18 is good or before if you like...but LEARN..iam NOT saying start at 14..but no one can make you change your mind if you want to start now..but if you do start know LEARN and take it easy DONT take the hard stuff...ok wait i dont think you got the common sense to juice at 14...sorry just stick with gnc for know..if you dont want to listen take 20mgs of anavar only with creatine...just play it safe rookie...


here is what the guy at my gym told me when i told him i wanted to juice..(dont forgot he ripped me off,but he did tell how to juice and what NOT to take at a young age)....REACH FOR THE STARS KID!!!...i said OK...and he said come up wtih $500.....i said OK.....and i took my money out that i had saved and used it on 20mgs of anavar and 200mgs of primo....damn i got raped...but it was a good cycle..felt good in the gym
 
ok ok, i'll wait till i'm 15 to juice hehe j/k, i don't know what i'm gonna do. but yes you guys are helping...helping change my mind. and that is a good thing. i came in here not knowing about the chance of shutting down my natural test for the rest of my life. there has got to be a way to avoid that. i have had soo much homework lately, but i am doing the research. my nurse at school knows a LOT about steroids, and it might sound stupid, but i'm gonna talk to her and my physician, whether it might help me or not. i'll see what they say. also, i don't wanna grow up not being able to have kids. (doesn't that happen mostly with test?) i dunno. if i do deca only, i'm pretty sure i won't get deca dick. if i do, i was told by a few other people on the board that it will go away soon. i don't have acne as of now (i already went through that) well or so i think., and i don't think i'll get it bad with deca. of course a little here and there. umm what else.....oh, gyno doesn't come with deca very often? right? or wrong? if i can find a way to prevent shutting down my natural test......umm what stuff am i leaving out?? list 'em
 
Cody, Do a search on progesterone and gyno. ...you said you wanted to learn.

Decca can in fact cause progesterone induced gyno depending upon the amount and the susceptibility of the patient. There are some bros on this board that hate Decca for that very reason. Also, anti-e's will not help with progesterone induced gyno.
 
Prohormones = andro (androstendione, androstendiol, nor-androstendione, nor-androstendiol) 1-AD (1-Test). Basically OTC supplements that are precursors to testosterone. I've gotten some good gains but I'm 26. I've heard a lot of younger people (16-19) that have had sides while taking the stuff and a lot of other bros on this board have experienced the same thing. Many will say it's not worth it and you'll get the sides with no gains. In all instances that is not correct but someone your age it may very well be.
 
I don't think Prohormones are a good idea either honestly. I took them at 23 and didn't get anything off of them. They can cause gyno and acne also with crappy or no gains at all. Stick to creatine, tons of protein, and food. I would personally hold off on the creatine at your age. However, I was once your age and would have done anything to gain a pound then, so I know where you're coming from. Creatine is definitely safer than the alternative you are talking about and the excess you will just piss out anyway. All the other over the counter stuff, for the most part, is just a waste of time and money.
 
ok, well what the hell is my doc gonna say when i walk in there and tell him what i am thinking, and i say.......can u prescribe me some HGH??? i have been trying to set up an appointment, but my mom wants to know what it's about. i tell her man stuff. lol, and she still won't do it, and my dad just tells me to talk to a physician from my church about my man stuff. sooo i dunno, i'm tryin. and what if i asked them to prescribe me some anavar or deca or whatever? is there a special reason that i need to think up? or will they be kool about it? or does it just depend on the doc. period????
 
yeah... i started with nothing, and had a few friends who took HMB and creatine, and they did really well off of that, so i got some, and i took both for a long time, and i guess the helped me a little, but nowhere to someone i know who increased all his maxes by at least 45 lbs in one month. anyways, i looked at andro, and decided it was gonna jack me up, and that it might not even do anything at all for me, so i looked even more hardcore.....roids. :alien:
 
You might want to buy a lottery ticket before you ask a doc for gear ... your chances of getting it and winning are about the same. Plus, how are you gonna get a script filled anyway? Your parents would drill your doc a new asshole if he/she gave you gear and they found out.

Why would a doc give you gear? You are not done growing yet and are probably above average height / weight for your age range. It's much more complicated than you realize. Plus, there are legal reasons that juice is not commonly prescribed by docs. AAS are schedule III drugs which is the same class as hard narcotics ... docs don't like to touch these substances at all.

Good luck to you whatever you decide to do. I am through kicking the "dead horse". If you decide to explore natural training for a while I'll be glad to help in any way I can.
 
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Cody, I'm going to be completely truthful here.

IF YOU JUICE AT YOUR AGE YOU WILL BE SMALL FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

I'm being serious, and I'm not trying to scare you. Juice now, and you will definitely get bigger, but your friends will dwarf you in a couple of years without ever using AS.

Your bone structure is not set. I was 145lbs when I was 14. I got up to 175lbs at roughly the same height when I was 16 without ever touching a weight. I simply played hockey and grew.

My shoulder structure changed as well, my head didn't look as big. I was always concerned that my head was too big for my body and most teens are.

Eventually, this levels out. Bodybuilders are "freaky" because of one thing: Width. That's what it boils down to: shoulder width.

Think about it. That's what "makes" a BBer.

If you juice now, you will be stopping all that width, and worse, CANCEL ANY FUTURE GROW OF YOUR SHOULDER WIDTH.

I wish I had a picture of this goofball at my gym who juiced when he was 13. He looks like a total retard it's very sad.

I'm sure he's is constently depressed, because he knows he looks like shit and there is nothing he can do.


BTW, you will not get your hands on real Anavar. All of the anavar outhere is underdosed and spiked with another AS such as Winny.

It will severely mess you up, and you will actual end up SMALLER if you juice now. You will be a pathetic, sad, tiny little man. Even your friends who don't workout will be bigger than you.
 
do u mean height? or will i actually get bigger,...... then since i will have jacked up my bone structure, and everything else, i will not ever be able to get bigger like muscely wise? lol i'm sounding like a fag, i don't know how to explain it to u ..umm
 
Cody14105 said:
do u mean height? or will i actually get bigger,...... then since i will have jacked up my bone structure, and everything else, i will not ever be able to get bigger like muscely wise? lol i'm sounding like a fag, i don't know how to explain it to u ..umm
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I'm not talking about height buddy, I'm taking about total size.

Basically your frame. Your skeletal structure will be shitty.

Imagine your bones expanding(If you don't use gear)

You have a chance to add more muscle. More Space for you to add muscle.

If it stops growing bone structure wise(If you juice)

Then you limit yourself to a kids bone structure for the REST OF YOUR LIFE.

That means that you have a limited body "volume". Even at 25 years old you will be the size of a kid. Muscular, yes, but you will be nowhere near the size of the general population. That means that guys who have never lifted will be bigger than you and will laugh at you because you will look like an overgrown kid.

Basically, if you juice now, your limit maybe 170-180lbs

If you wait until your bone structure expands, your limit may be 260-280lbs.

This is the truth. I'm not lying to you.
 
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Cody, I'm going to be completely truthful here.

IF YOU JUICE AT YOUR AGE YOU WILL BE SMALL FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

I'm being serious, and I'm not trying to scare you. Juice now, and you will definitely get bigger, but your friends will dwarf you in a couple of years without ever using AS.

Your bone structure is not set. I was 145lbs when I was 14. I got up to 175lbs at roughly the same height when I was 16 without ever touching a weight. I simply played hockey and grew.

My shoulder structure changed as well, my head didn't look as big. I was always concerned that my head was too big for my body and most teens are.

Eventually, this levels out. Bodybuilders are "freaky" because of one thing: Width. That's what it boils down to: shoulder width.

Think about it. That's what "makes" a BBer.

If you juice now, you will be stopping all that width, and worse, CANCEL ANY FUTURE GROW OF YOUR SHOULDER WIDTH.

I wish I had a picture of this goofball at my gym who juiced when he was 13. He looks like a total retard it's very sad.

I'm sure he's is constently depressed, because he knows he looks like shit and there is nothing he can do.


BTW, you will not get your hands on real Anavar. All of the anavar outhere is underdosed and spiked with another AS such as Winny.

It will severely mess you up, and you will actual end up SMALLER if you juice now. You will be a pathetic, sad, tiny little man. Even your friends who don't workout will be bigger than you.
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You nailed it there! it is about width not just height. You do not want a narrow shoulder structure. I stopped growing at 15 (naturally) But I got a hell of a lot wider and thicker untill my early 20's. We are telling you the truth bro. We REALLY do care. What do we have to gain from telling you bad advice. We are trying to help you.

peace
 
I'm 50 and made good gains up into my thirties...FOOD is the most anabolic agent you can consume your test levels havn't peaked yet just keep training and consume lots of protein and it will come...RADAR
 
Are you sure that shoulder width is affected by AAS use? I thought it only affected bone growth through growth plates (long bones), not irregular bones like the scapula.
 
i really don't know what to say here. i would tell him not and to wait but he most likely wouldn't listen anyway. better to teach him the right way than him doing it the wrong way. just my .2 so no flames ok.
 
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