1000 lb bench... possible?

[kethnaab]

"Sports reference: I see no difference between bench shirts and wearing cleats, spikes, Nike super shoes, aerodynamic suits, power bicycles etc."

raw bench record ~700
shirted bench record ~1000

that is a 300/700 = ~43% improvement.

if wearing cleats or spikes dropped a 10 second sprinter down to approximately 6 seconds, then I'd be with you.

but they don't.

 

[Klown]

Yeah, exactly. Also, doesn't it seem a litte strange that the bench press record is higher than the deadlift record?

 

[Chambewy20]

Get a clue you guys, everyone's jumpin on the bandwagon yet no one has any clue what the deal with gear is.

If you compete and get paid to be the best with a shirt, why run the risk of injuring yourself to compete with someone that wears no shirt.

You can hate all you want, go up to these guys and try to out bench them, otherwise keep being a poser and post b.s. on websites.

 

[Tiervexx]

Get a clue you guys, everyone's jumpin on the bandwagon yet no one has any clue what the deal with gear is.

If you compete and get paid to be the best with a shirt, why run the risk of injuring yourself to compete with someone that wears no shirt.

You can hate all you want, go up to these guys and try to out bench them, otherwise keep being a poser and post b.s. on websites.

As usual you have totally avoided addressing anything anyone has said, or even giving an any real argument of your own.

 

[Chambewy20]

As usual you have totally avoided addressing anything anyone has said, or even giving an any real argument of your own.

Oh pleez, don't start again with the "steroids" argument and aren't you the guy who previously admitted to never using a shirt or competing?

Enlighten me, what is the issue, raw vs. shirted benchers, if you want to compete raw, compete against your peers, if not, whether it's single ply drug tested, single ply poly only drug tested, double ply drug anything goes, triple ply anything goes, there are organizations and classifications for anyone.

So again, is the issue that the shirted max is 200+ pounds more than the raw max, that has been established, do any of you know what shirt, how many plys and what was going through the judges head when Rychlak broke a grand?

I myself saw one of his hands dip therefore negating the lift but others saw it acceptable, so what do you think, have you ever seen it?

Enlighten us with your criticism...

 

[Klown]

Oh pleez, don't start again with the "steroids" argument and aren't you the guy who previously admitted to never using a shirt or competing?

Enlighten me, what is the issue, raw vs. shirted benchers, if you want to compete raw, compete against your peers, if not, whether it's single ply drug tested, single ply poly only drug tested, double ply drug anything goes, triple ply anything goes, there are organizations and classifications for anyone.

So again, is the issue that the shirted max is 200+ pounds more than the raw max, that has been established, do any of you know what shirt, how many plys and what was going through the judges head when Rychlak broke a grand?

I myself saw one of his hands dip therefore negating the lift but others saw it acceptable, so what do you think, have you ever seen it?

Enlighten us with your criticism...

Seems you are missing the point. No one (well at least not me) is trying to discredit Gene or calling shirt wearers weak at all. Just because those guys can bench 1000 times more than doesn't mean the logistics of the argument don't hold up. We're talking about the integrity of the sport. Will you still have the same stance when there's octuple ply titanium suits that have people bneching 2000lbs?

 

[Chambewy20]

That again is basing that all the strenth comes from the shirt.

http://www.nasa-sports.com/Results/Results USA.htm

Scroll down to a guy named Tiny Meeker, he hit 848.77 in a single ply shirt, I saw him put it on AND he was tested for AAS. He's not a super heavyweight, he's prolly not even 6' tall. He just missed 935 because he couldn't lock one arm out. Does this single ply shirt wearing powerlifter who was tested for steroids discredit the sport? Sure you've never heard of him, I think he's a top notch athlete.

Arguing that bench shirts do all the work is as pointless as arguing that AAS are the only reason there is a profession called "bodybuilding." Can anyone ever get on the same playing field unless everyone uses the same drugs or equipment? Has steroids discredited the sport of bodybuilding like supportive gear has the sport of powerlifting?

Is it the fact that's steroid use is just common knowledge and now that the sport of powerlifting has advanced the technology of the equipment used and gained the tinyest amount of popularity that people want to bash it because they themselves can't consider moving the amounts of weight others do therefore it's obviously a sham?

 

[Ish]

The public? lol. Ever watch football? Madden was saying the other day how Tiki Barber could move the line because he squats 1000 lbs. The public has no concept of weights and how much is lifted.

 

[kethnaab]

Arguing that bench shirts do all the work

no one of sensibility is arguing that.

what we are arguing is that powerlifting records have become more an issue of "better equipment" than "stronger athlete"

I just think it's a shame, that's all.

Just my opinion.

 

[Chambewy20]

no one of sensibility is arguing that.

That's the problem, mostly everyone who is arguing has no clue about powerlifting gear or have ever used it.

I mean a guy who throughs up over 800, almost put up over 900, was not a superheavyweight AND was tested for AAS with his results made public to the rest of the folks in organization. It was a single ply poly shirt as well, do you actually think all the work or the majority of the work was done by a peice of polyester material?

Yeah they make a spectacle every time Gene benche's somewhere, might appear to lessen the integrity of the sport to some, but take a look at bodybuilding, Ronnie to Arnold?, it there even a comparison?

Regardless, what's wrong with a sport that's been around for so long actually gaining some popularity, just like WSM, those guys wear suits when they squat, i've seen Marius blow his out once. Just don't assume that these guys make the sport a laughing stock because Gene Rychlak is the first time you recognized a powerlifters name since Kaz.