1000 lb bench... possible?

[blut wump]

Does passing an AAS test actually count for anything? From what I've read they can be passed by stopping your test suspension two or three days before. Just curious.

 

[Chambewy20]

Just saying that this guy was a short round guy, built for benching, no serious bloat like a lot of the guys and he just nailed the weight.

He doesn't make stupid claims in articles about being pure, no one most likely knows who the hell he is outside of this organization. IMO the mere fact that he hit over 8 and almost over 9 in a single ply poly shirt at a meet in a high school lifting room not even being 300 pounds was impressive.

This was in response to everyone beleiving that shirts do all the work, I gave an example of a guy in single ply poly shirt making a hell of a lift at a drug tested event.

For some guys, yeah i do beleive they would never hit near the weight without the shirt, but to argue that no one can isn't accurate. Also to argue these points with guys who have never wore shirts or powerlifting gear... well that's just pointless...

 

[kethnaab]

*snip*
I mean a guy who throughs up over 800, almost put up over 900, was not a superheavyweight AND was tested for AAS with his results made public to the rest of the folks in organization. It was a single ply poly shirt as well, do you actually think all the work or the majority of the work was done by a peice of polyester material?

that's obviously not what *I'm* talking about.

900 in a single ply is outstanding. it's outstanding in a denim, for that matter, but the point that I've been trying to make all along is that the gear that is in use today to set records is simply too "powerful". The bench record inched up, bit by bit, for quite some time until Ken Lain broke 700 officially about, what, 15 years ago?

then once the gear makers learn a few tricks, then bench press record shoots up 300 lbs? c'mon, that's ridiculous.

*snip*

Just don't assume that these guys make the sport a laughing stock because Gene Rychlak is the first time you recognized a powerlifters name since Kaz.

and don't assume because I disagree with your assertion about the way gear is used in PL that I only recognize Kaz and Rychlak. That is ridiculous and, in fact, is the exact OPPOSITE of what I'm saying, and one of the reasons why I think the gear shit is just that...shit.

Dave Pasanella (an example) is forgotten. Long gone, long forgotten. Despite being one of the best lifters in the sport ever, he is forgotten, because he wasn't around to get a chance to use the ridiculous gear you can wear, and his totals are piddly compared to the groove-brief/double-denim springy-springy squat suits the guys are wearing today. A little guy can break ridiculous records now, and Dan Austin will be forgotten as well, since a good bench and squat suit can add between 400-600 lbs to a total anymore. Little dudes like Dan Austin are going to be forgotten a lot faster and easier.

bah. the original Inzer Blast shirts maybe put 25-50 lbs on your bench, and kept your shoulders stable. now...phack....300 lbs? 400 lbs? on ONE FRICKIN' LIFT?!?!?!

Lemme think back a bit...hurm...my exact #s will be off, but you'll get the point.

Let's go back to 1990. Ken Lain, I believe, had the bench record @ 715ish, Dave pasanella had the squat record with 1030ish and Gary Heisey, that lurpee bastard, had the deadlift record with, i believe, a 936 (that specific number jumps into mind).

Excuse me if the #s are off. Now then, let's take a look at what has happened to those records. The bench press "record" is over 1000 (an increase of approximately 40%). The squat "record" is now 1200 (an increase of almost 20%).

and Benedikt Magnussun (sp?) managed to recently break the deadlift record with, i believe, a 968 deadlift, an increase of...wow....approximately 3%.

So, 40% increase, 20% increase, 3% increase. Which one of those lifts gets almost no help from the extra equipment? the deadlift. Which exercise has shown only a marginal increase in the last decade +? The deadlift.

Pretty obvious to me. a boost of 20-50 lbs while increasing joint stability? Sure! That is great!

A boost of 200-300 lbs though? That's ridiculous and casts a shadow over almost everyone and all records these days.

As for the comment regarding lifting gear, you, again, are assuming that someone who has an issue with the gear has never lifted with the gear. you are wrong. Several *have* lifted with gear, and hated it (myself included). Not that I didn't like being able to use weight I had NO GODDAMNED BUSINESS USING, but it was just...fake....

Gene Rychlak, for example, hit 1005. Let's assume he did the first 700 of it. That kicks ass! But there has to be a limit. an extra 300 damn pounds from a shirt is insane. Grats to him for being a strong fugger. However, he has a bench press record of "1005", not '700" or whatever, which is what it should be.

I mean, hell. Let's change wooden baseball bats to aluminum bats. Then some nobody can come along, destroy the 755-home run record by smashing over 1000 home runs and destroy records that the Babe and Hank Aaron worked their whole careers to get.

 

[power up]

Well put. I always wonder what some of these guys that are using demin shirts say when they are asked how much can THEY bench. Do they tell them the shirt # or their real #? Not that I don't respect how much practice and power it takes to handle that much weight but c'mon. They can't really say THEY benched 900+ or whatever. Do they really believe THEIR chest, THEIR tri's and THEIR back did all the work? Well maybe they have convinced themselves THEY did it but until I see that person Bench with just a t shirt on, I don't believe THEY really did all the work.

 

[Illuminati]

i dunno. maybe we should take one of karen kline's double denim shirts, but it on a bench, help the shirt unrack the weight, and then see how much the shirt can bench

 

[power up]

Like I said, "Not that I don't respect how much practice and power it takes to handle that much weight but c'mon" It takes incredible strength to handle weight like that. The first time I squated 600# I gained even more respect for someone to hold that much weight over their chest. However I used my own muscles to do that. A person using a shirt that requires pulling the weight down that should crush them makes them a liar if they tell someone THEY benched ALL that weight. And like I said before it requires an incredible amount of strength, practice, power and balls to hold, pull and push the amount of weight these guys are doing. I sure as hell couldnt do it even with a shirt. But when I tell someone I bench 405 I can tell them that "I" (my pecs, tris, and back) benched 405. Now if I ask a guy who wears a shirt that requires 500#s on the bar just to get the weight to go to their chest to tell me how much he benches and he says " I did 720 and my shirt did 150" that would be the truth. I would be very impressed that he can handle 870 and even more impressed he can bench 720.

 

[blut wump]

I never see benchers using elbow wraps. Surely, it would help the lift in the same way that knee-wraps help the squat. Do all of the federations ban elbow wraps or is there some other reason? I've never tried them.

 

[Chambewy20]

that's obviously not what *I'm* talking about.

900 in a single ply is outstanding. it's outstanding in a denim, for that matter, but the point that I've been trying to make all along is that the gear that is in use today to set records is simply too "powerful".

What everyone argues is these lifts are all shirt and their not, I gave an example that everyone chooses to ignore for the most part.

The bench record inched up, bit by bit, for quite some time until Ken Lain broke 700 officially about, what, 15 years ago?

Ted Arcidi benched 705 in 1985.

then once the gear makers learn a few tricks, then bench press record shoots up 300 lbs? c'mon, that's ridiculous.

The video of Gene benching a grand is all over the net, as I posted here before and will repeat, the lift doesn't look legit at all, I think it's his left hand that dips, that's a red light for anyone to see, a lot of top level competitors I've been acquaintences with think the same, although they are full meet competitors, not bench specialists. If you really think it's that you get 300 lbs out of a shirt, put YOUR numbers up there and let us all see what kind of carryover you get.

and don't assume because I disagree with your assertion about the way gear is used in PL that I only recognize Kaz and Rychlak. The majority of my responses aren't targetting YOU personally, YOU seem to be the only one who has even tried any gear or competed maybe but saying you get 300 out of a shirt knowing it's bullshit is bullshit.


Dave Pasanella (an example) is forgotten. Despite being one of the best lifters in the sport ever, he is forgotten, because he wasn't around to get a chance to use the ridiculous gear you can wear, and his totals are piddly compared to the groove-brief/double-denim springy-springy squat suits the guys are wearing today.

Dave Pasanella is not forgotten, him, Ed Coan, Fred Hatfield and Anthony Clark were the only Powerlifters I ever saw in Muscle and Fitness, the only weightlifting a.k.a. bodybuilding magazine I could buy off a shelf, Powerlifting USA wasn't available, and I still remember him squatting over a grand in the mid early 80's, just like Fred Hatfield. Also Fred Hatfield was maybe a 242 or 275, but no where near weighing 275 when he squatted over a grand, not a superheavyweight who couldn't come close to squatting 3 times his bodyweight, not even considering almost 4. Also with the totals, Dave P. could squat a grand but what could he bench or squat, who knows, just like Ed Coan could pull 880 at 220, what can he bench or squat, again who knows, with the advent of the bench shirt how much did that improved Ed's bench, i still don't think he's made it out of the 500's or maybe low 600's, Anthony Clark was the first teenager to bench 600, when was he a teenager, over 20 years ago, when was that broken, less than 2 years ago, I saw it.

Excuse me if the #s are off. Now then, let's take a look at what has happened to those records. The bench press "record" is over 1000 (an increase of approximately 40%Last time i checked, the difference between 705 and 1005 is more like 30%, that's not bad over 20 years IMO ). The squat "record" is now 1200 (an increase of almost 20%).

and Benedikt Magnussun (sp?) managed to recently break the deadlift record with, i believe, a 968 deadlift, an increase of...wow....approximately 3%.

Magnusson, he took token lifts to break the deadlift record and now there arguing that WPO competitors must at least have a WPO qualifying total for their records to count, which he did not, does that sound fair?

So, 40% increase 20% increase, 3% increase. Which one of those lifts gets almost no help from the extra equipment? the deadlift. Which exercise has shown only a marginal increase in the last decade +? The deadlift.


As for the comment regarding lifting gear, you, again, are assuming that someone who has an issue with the gear has never lifted with the gear. you are wrong. Several *have* lifted with gear, and hated it (myself included). Not that I didn't like being able to use weight I had NO GODDAMNED BUSINESS USING, but it was just...fake....

Gene Rychlak, for example, hit 1005. Let's assume he did the first 700 of it. That kicks ass! But there has to be a limit. an extra 300 damn pounds from a shirt is insane. Grats to him for being a strong fugger. However, he has a bench press record of "1005", not '700" or whatever, which is what it should be.

Ted Arcidi benched 705 with a shirt back in 1985, Scott Mendleson benched 715 raw a year or two ago, you can argue all day long about the advances of the bench shirt from then to now but it's still raw vs. shirted

from Ryan Kennelly ""The whole raw thing, you're just asking for trouble if you're going to be dealing with any kind of weight," says Ryan Kennelly. "If you rip your pec, you rip your rotator cuff, you're out of there. Thank God for bench shirts."

It is what it is, raw benchers don't get no sponsors and don't win any fame.

I mean, hell. Let's change wooden baseball bats to aluminum bats. Then some nobody can come along, destroy the 755-home run record by smashing over 1000 home runs and destroy records that the Babe and Hank Aaron worked their whole careers to get.Who needs aluminum bats when you got the sauce?

Here's the most reliable set of records IMO

http://www.powermagonline.com/latest-news/records.asp

They don't have any historical numbers, otherwise we could compare, have seen before and I will try to find...

This is fun

 

[jcp2]

what we are arguing is that powerlifting records have become more an issue of "better equipment" than "stronger athlete"

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This is obviously true, and only a fool would argue otherwise. You cannot even begin to compare, even the single ply stuff, of today to yesteryear. But the problem is lifters don't try, the keyboard jockies do. People are just playing by the rules others created. And to be honest, i have heard some of the biggest babies on the net say Genes 1000 was one of the cleanest lifts their is. His 965 may be the one you are referring to, where he had a slight downward motion halfway through.

 

[Chambewy20]

This is obviously true, and only a fool would argue otherwise. You cannot even begin to compare, even the single ply stuff, of today to yesteryear. But the problem is lifters don't try, the keyboard jockies do. People are just playing by the rules others created. And to be honest, i have heard some of the biggest babies on the net say Genes 1000 was one of the cleanest lifts their is. His 965 may be the one you are referring to, where he had a slight downward motion halfway through.

No man this is not what I'm talking about, he never locks out his left and there is no way in hell anyone can say that is a paused bench but they gave it to him anyways, see for yourself.

http://www.irongame.com/videos/04IPANS_GRychlak_1005BP_Small.swf

I know guys that were there and most of them thought that it wasn't any good.

Only a fool would argue that simply by putting on a good enough bench shirt could automatically give you 300 lbs, if that were the case than there would be a ton of 300 lb benchers pushing 600 over night.