1000 lb bench... possible?

[Scotsman]

So, how long before this type of gear is allowed?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8656746/

Now that's right out, having a mechanized suit lift for you is a bit over the top.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[thelion2005]

I'm wondering what you guys think about the possibility of a 1000 pound bench. Can the tendons and ligaments support it? Are the muscles used big enough.. as with squats? Anyone know of any unofficial attempts that were even close?

Yes.
The man might have to weigh 500 lbs with proportional strength and proper training .... like Paul Wight.

 

[Tiervexx]

... all the supplements, protein powders and other modern fare needs to be eliminated....

This is where the comparison stops making sense. Something you put into your body is entirely diffrent than equipment you use.

I know I might be alone here, but even steriods actually bother me less than equipment because you still have to use fleash to move the weight, which means you still are that strong no mater how you got to be that strong.

 

[blut wump]

Archimedes states that given a place to stand and a lever long enough he could move the Earth. Even the Greeks were happy to use equipment to move heavy weights.

 

[Scotsman]

This is where the comparison stops making sense. Something you put into your body is entirely diffrent than equipment you use.

I know I might be alone here, but even steriods actually bother me less than equipment because you still have to use fleash to move the weight, which means you still are that strong no mater how you got to be that strong.

My point was to be absurd, because the argument will neer be resolved. Why is it any more fair to take steroids to break old records than it is to put on a shirt, if it was set without drugs or modern supplements? I am tired as hell of listening to people whine about equipment, when there are several federations now that either don't allow equipment or only allow single poly gear. So if you don't want to lift in gear then don't do it, it's as simple as that.

Aside from the fact that the gear doesn't lift the weight for you. YOU still have to move the weight. Putting a triple denim shirt on a 300lb bencher won't make him a 1000lb bencher it takes tremendous amounts of training for your muscles, joints, and tendons to handle that kind of a load. You still have to lock out the weight and control it completely on your own. The shirt does not lift the weight for you!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Tiervexx]

Archimedes states that given a place to stand and a lever long enough he could move the Earth.

Great argument against equipment. By the logic used by most proponents of equipment you could say that it was still them moving the weight.

Even the Greeks were happy to use equipment to move heavy weights.

Yes, for Construction and physics demonstrations!

You obviously did not think this post through.

 

[Tiervexx]

My point was to be absurd, because the argument will neer be resolved. Why is it any more fair to take steroids to break old records than it is to put on a shirt, if it was set without drugs or modern supplements? I am tired as hell of listening to people whine about equipment, when there are several federations now that either don't allow equipment or only allow single poly gear. So if you don't want to lift in gear then don't do it, it's as simple as that.

Aside from the fact that the gear doesn't lift the weight for you. YOU still have to move the weight. Putting a triple denim shirt on a 300lb bencher won't make him a 1000lb bencher it takes tremendous amounts of training for your muscles, joints, and tendons to handle that kind of a load. You still have to lock out the weight and control it completely on your own. The shirt does not lift the weight for you!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Scotsman

Even though current shirts still require a lot of strength to move the weights that many lifters move it is an obvious indisputable fact that everyone's shirted maxes would equal their raw max if the shirt did not do atleast some of the lifting.

likewise shirt technology continues to improve, and the gap between shirted and raw maxes is GROWING. If the technology needed to build a shirt that would make it possible for your average 100lb girl to bench press 1000lb does not already exist, it will.

Obviously a line has to be drawn on equipment. I think the only logical line is at zero.

 

[blut wump]

I'm sorry, have we given up on irony around here?

People lift to have fun and to experience the unbridled exhilaration of shifting a bad-ass ton of weight. We're already past reasonable comparisons with lifters of yore just as world records in other sports creep ever onwards. As such, what's the problem when disparate groups compare lifting prowess with their chosen kit, supplement stacks or drug combinations?

Great minds have delved into their own depths and agreed to what degree assistance is reasonable. Different groups made different determinations and others just wanted the fun of splitting away. Thus were federations created.

Each Federation acknowledges its own records and considers those records to be the true ones according to the tenets of its own Great Minds. Greater Minds look down and simply decide which one they'd have the best shot or most fun in.

Great argument against equipment. By the logic used by most proponents of equipment you could say that it was still them moving the weight.



Yes, for Construction and physics demonstrations!

You obviously did not think this post through.

 

[Scotsman]

Even though current shirts still require a lot of strength to move the weights that many lifters move it is an obvious indisputable fact that everyone's shirted maxes would equal their raw max if the shirt did not do atleast some of the lifting.

likewise shirt technology continues to improve, and the gap between shirted and raw maxes is GROWING. If the technology needed to build a shirt that would make it possible for your average 100lb girl to bench press 1000lb does not already exist, it will.

Obviously a line has to be drawn on equipment. I think the only logical line is at zero.

For the last time if you don't want to lift in equipment then don't that is your choice. If you don't want to recognize the lifts then fine that's your choice. If you want to lift in a no equip fed than by all means go ahead. The fact is that people are going to lift in equipment and there is nothing to be done about it until a time comes when no one cares how much you lift in a meet, I for one hope this time never arrives.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Tiervexx]

To make something clear, I was never trying to argue that all federations must be the same.

What I really mean to say is that sooner or later reasonable people are going to be forced to stop caring about records that where set with equipment.

Now drugs and supplements on the other hand, things that only affect your flesh are unaviodable and will almost certainly continue forever.