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Bro look at the amount of gear he's using then look at his physique, clearly he's no Einstein
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Being delusional is a real thing. It’s hard to convince people when addiction has taken over. I’ve dealt with this scenario for years.Bro look at the amount of gear he's using then look at his physique, clearly he's no Einstein
You can't stop me from doing 2 g tren!!!
No one could ever stop you from doing whatever you want brother
You have Nothing to be sorry about obviously using your name for his benefit unfortunate situation
I'll sign up with you next 6 months or so. I'll do the local "natty" show. It has a lie detector testNo one could ever stop you from doing whatever you want brother
Its a nightmare for me to be in bro
Lucky I have an amazing team of clients that came to my rescue and defended me
Once again I'm sorry for what happened to you along with the other vendors
If any of your loggers don't have a coach and need help setting up their initial stacks and plans send them my way and I'll do that for free
And don't worry I won't send you broke by recommending they take everything under the sun
0.5ml of every compound dailyAnd don't worry I won't send you broke by recommending they take everything under the sun
The Demon Stack
So, does anyone feel that now is a good time to member vote on if @Demon_throne should be a moderator?
only if he sends me 300iu of gh
And if they need peptides or GH send them my way. Kill two birds with one stone.
best he can do is the bac water brother
Of course brotherAnd if they need peptides or GH send them my way. Kill two birds with one stone.
Everything else is already sold out unfortunately aye
Southern Cross Labs
Well-known member
@Demon_throne has been officially removed from Southern Cross Labs as a logger.
Sorry bro, didn't realise you were his coach either , wasn't a dig at you directly
The plot thickens
Sorry you were the latest victim bro. Hopefully he didn't scalp you too much.
Over 10 weeks, he had 3 different Peptide Sponsors and 1x Oils Sponsor.
Recently now removed by IronClad and SCL.
Rough for both of you guys. Sorry you’ve invested so much and gotten back so little.
Keep serving the community like you are, it is much appreciated
Not at all broSorry bro, didn't realise you were his coach either , wasn't a dig at you directly
The plot thickens
You have every right to be frustrated and if I was recommending those doses I would indeed be a terrible coach
Demon gonna be logging for WLC soon 
How did that fly past the radar?
Go figureMegaZygrade
New member
I think that was all his scam artist moves. Positioning his place with all the Badges, then manipulating everyone. I think he did Evo Podcast too, sounded very sus. Master scammer the bloke demone is
Sorry you had to deal with the mess bro. Thank @CookieBaah for spotting this out btw. Well done bro!
And once my pep natty phase is over I'm gonna remember to get in touch with Gainsman for a no nonsense growth phase!
I'd love to help brother
I think this would really help start the healing process and out of honour its something that should be done anyways
We love you just the way you are
Highly recommended bro , the best way to do it .
Small physique and even smaller mentality. Sorry hear about this @ApexLabs_ @War Born Peptides @Unitedau
I like to give people a chance to fix their mess but reading through the thread and seeing the SS i think hes done a Scam and Run.
Happy to be proven wrong DT Pay the people back you have wronged man up and prove your honour
I’d be shocked. He’s already aware of this blowing up given he has changed his username and removed sponsors off his socials. He is a coward.
You’re too good to be coaching someone that behaves the way he does bro. All the best.
I’ve reached out to him privately.
I’m interested to see what kind of response I receive.
It’ll determine my next action on our side.
Hw can probably fit 10 cactus up his ass
Jesus christ. Is he vegan?
I will back Gainsman as a mate before a coach even. Even though I'm sponsored and his coaching is apart of that. My contract has been renewed several times even though I could have chosen another coach.
I have been running bigger doses but I'm a man and wont come crying when it comes time to pay the piper if my health deteriorates. But we all know if you want to be something in light heavyweights and up its apart of the game. Great coach that can only lead a horse to water can't make it drink at the end of the day.
I have been running bigger doses but I'm a man and wont come crying when it comes time to pay the piper if my health deteriorates. But we all know if you want to be something in light heavyweights and up its apart of the game. Great coach that can only lead a horse to water can't make it drink at the end of the day.
RegenexPharma
Well-known member
Absolutely gutted to hear this, brothers.
Being a vendor is hard enough as it is — between maintaining quality, meeting expectations, staying consistent, and covering the monthly outlay, the costs can become seriously substantial. That’s why it’s honestly mind-blowing that some people have no remorse when it comes to fleecing multiple vendors purely for personal gain.
We actually encourage our guys to communicate with us and let us know when they’re running low, because sponsorship is supposed to be a genuine two-way street. We’ve been fortunate enough to have had a strong large team on Evo, and now a solid tighter team here on EF. Having quality loggers who understand mutual respect, loyalty, and the value of sponsorship is absolutely priceless.
When we first joined EF, Demon Throne approached us for sponsorship almost immediately. We politely declined, as we had only just downsized and were already aware of his previous post on Evo in the Aussie logger marketplace where there was essentially a shopping list of peptides, GH, and AAS being requested. That was an immediate red flag for us.
We’ve previously mentioned to some of the legendary Aussie Evo mods the possibility of creating a dedicated vendor group chat purely for vendor protection — somewhere to discreetly warn fellow vendors of potential scammers or suspicious behavior. Not a general nonstop chat, but simply a tool to help protect vendors from being taken advantage of.
Obviously, every situation can vary and it may not always be malicious intent from the member involved, but at the very least, having vendors aware of potential issues gives them the ability to make informed decisions moving forward.
Again, truly sorry to see this happen. That’s a massive amount of gear gone, and realistically, unlikely to ever be recovered. As many have already said, it’s not just about the financial loss — it’s about integrity. Being a man of your word still means something, and without that, you have nothing.
Hopefully there’s some form of resolution here, whether that be accountability, bans, or at minimum stronger awareness moving forward. We also all need to stay vigilant regarding alt accounts, because unfortunately this sort of thing has happened before on Evo. No names needed… but most of the Aussie boys will know exactly who we mean
If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Nothing but love from us, always.
Being a vendor is hard enough as it is — between maintaining quality, meeting expectations, staying consistent, and covering the monthly outlay, the costs can become seriously substantial. That’s why it’s honestly mind-blowing that some people have no remorse when it comes to fleecing multiple vendors purely for personal gain.
We actually encourage our guys to communicate with us and let us know when they’re running low, because sponsorship is supposed to be a genuine two-way street. We’ve been fortunate enough to have had a strong large team on Evo, and now a solid tighter team here on EF. Having quality loggers who understand mutual respect, loyalty, and the value of sponsorship is absolutely priceless.
When we first joined EF, Demon Throne approached us for sponsorship almost immediately. We politely declined, as we had only just downsized and were already aware of his previous post on Evo in the Aussie logger marketplace where there was essentially a shopping list of peptides, GH, and AAS being requested. That was an immediate red flag for us.
We’ve previously mentioned to some of the legendary Aussie Evo mods the possibility of creating a dedicated vendor group chat purely for vendor protection — somewhere to discreetly warn fellow vendors of potential scammers or suspicious behavior. Not a general nonstop chat, but simply a tool to help protect vendors from being taken advantage of.
Obviously, every situation can vary and it may not always be malicious intent from the member involved, but at the very least, having vendors aware of potential issues gives them the ability to make informed decisions moving forward.
Again, truly sorry to see this happen. That’s a massive amount of gear gone, and realistically, unlikely to ever be recovered. As many have already said, it’s not just about the financial loss — it’s about integrity. Being a man of your word still means something, and without that, you have nothing.
Hopefully there’s some form of resolution here, whether that be accountability, bans, or at minimum stronger awareness moving forward. We also all need to stay vigilant regarding alt accounts, because unfortunately this sort of thing has happened before on Evo. No names needed… but most of the Aussie boys will know exactly who we mean
If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Nothing but love from us, always.
Spent the last few days catching up on this. WTF.
Well said brother, you always have a way with words and can tell it comes from a good placeAbsolutely gutted to hear this, brothers.
Being a vendor is hard enough as it is — between maintaining quality, meeting expectations, staying consistent, and covering the monthly outlay, the costs can become seriously substantial. That’s why it’s honestly mind-blowing that some people have no remorse when it comes to fleecing multiple vendors purely for personal gain.
We actually encourage our guys to communicate with us and let us know when they’re running low, because sponsorship is supposed to be a genuine two-way street. We’ve been fortunate enough to have had a strong large team on Evo, and now a solid tighter team here on EF. Having quality loggers who understand mutual respect, loyalty, and the value of sponsorship is absolutely priceless.
When we first joined EF, Demon Throne approached us for sponsorship almost immediately. We politely declined, as we had only just downsized and were already aware of his previous post on Evo in the Aussie logger marketplace where there was essentially a shopping list of peptides, GH, and AAS being requested. That was an immediate red flag for us.
We’ve previously mentioned to some of the legendary Aussie Evo mods the possibility of creating a dedicated vendor group chat purely for vendor protection — somewhere to discreetly warn fellow vendors of potential scammers or suspicious behavior. Not a general nonstop chat, but simply a tool to help protect vendors from being taken advantage of.
Obviously, every situation can vary and it may not always be malicious intent from the member involved, but at the very least, having vendors aware of potential issues gives them the ability to make informed decisions moving forward.
Again, truly sorry to see this happen. That’s a massive amount of gear gone, and realistically, unlikely to ever be recovered. As many have already said, it’s not just about the financial loss — it’s about integrity. Being a man of your word still means something, and without that, you have nothing.
Hopefully there’s some form of resolution here, whether that be accountability, bans, or at minimum stronger awareness moving forward. We also all need to stay vigilant regarding alt accounts, because unfortunately this sort of thing has happened before on Evo. No names needed… but most of the Aussie boys will know exactly who we mean
If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Nothing but love from us, always.
He better have a good explanation for this all and make everyone whole
I will not stand for this kind of behaviour from any of my clients
I think talking about stronger awareness, some people need to realise that the vendors are actually trying to make a living. They're not some big brands like Nike, Adidas or Louis Vutton.Absolutely gutted to hear this, brothers.
Being a vendor is hard enough as it is — between maintaining quality, meeting expectations, staying consistent, and covering the monthly outlay, the costs can become seriously substantial. That’s why it’s honestly mind-blowing that some people have no remorse when it comes to fleecing multiple vendors purely for personal gain.
We actually encourage our guys to communicate with us and let us know when they’re running low, because sponsorship is supposed to be a genuine two-way street. We’ve been fortunate enough to have had a strong large team on Evo, and now a solid tighter team here on EF. Having quality loggers who understand mutual respect, loyalty, and the value of sponsorship is absolutely priceless.
When we first joined EF, Demon Throne approached us for sponsorship almost immediately. We politely declined, as we had only just downsized and were already aware of his previous post on Evo in the Aussie logger marketplace where there was essentially a shopping list of peptides, GH, and AAS being requested. That was an immediate red flag for us.
We’ve previously mentioned to some of the legendary Aussie Evo mods the possibility of creating a dedicated vendor group chat purely for vendor protection — somewhere to discreetly warn fellow vendors of potential scammers or suspicious behavior. Not a general nonstop chat, but simply a tool to help protect vendors from being taken advantage of.
Obviously, every situation can vary and it may not always be malicious intent from the member involved, but at the very least, having vendors aware of potential issues gives them the ability to make informed decisions moving forward.
Again, truly sorry to see this happen. That’s a massive amount of gear gone, and realistically, unlikely to ever be recovered. As many have already said, it’s not just about the financial loss — it’s about integrity. Being a man of your word still means something, and without that, you have nothing.
Hopefully there’s some form of resolution here, whether that be accountability, bans, or at minimum stronger awareness moving forward. We also all need to stay vigilant regarding alt accounts, because unfortunately this sort of thing has happened before on Evo. No names needed… but most of the Aussie boys will know exactly who we mean
If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Nothing but love from us, always.
Need to have a bit of moral courtesy when asking for free stuff, and maybe not rip into their entire vendor inventory.
When I read this you know which movie come to mind? American history X
Side note can we take a quick minute to appreciate that absolute killer rear double @B3rnie is ripping in his dp
2 names come to mind.Absolutely gutted to hear this, brothers.
Being a vendor is hard enough as it is — between maintaining quality, meeting expectations, staying consistent, and covering the monthly outlay, the costs can become seriously substantial. That’s why it’s honestly mind-blowing that some people have no remorse when it comes to fleecing multiple vendors purely for personal gain.
We actually encourage our guys to communicate with us and let us know when they’re running low, because sponsorship is supposed to be a genuine two-way street. We’ve been fortunate enough to have had a strong large team on Evo, and now a solid tighter team here on EF. Having quality loggers who understand mutual respect, loyalty, and the value of sponsorship is absolutely priceless.
When we first joined EF, Demon Throne approached us for sponsorship almost immediately. We politely declined, as we had only just downsized and were already aware of his previous post on Evo in the Aussie logger marketplace where there was essentially a shopping list of peptides, GH, and AAS being requested. That was an immediate red flag for us.
We’ve previously mentioned to some of the legendary Aussie Evo mods the possibility of creating a dedicated vendor group chat purely for vendor protection — somewhere to discreetly warn fellow vendors of potential scammers or suspicious behavior. Not a general nonstop chat, but simply a tool to help protect vendors from being taken advantage of.
Obviously, every situation can vary and it may not always be malicious intent from the member involved, but at the very least, having vendors aware of potential issues gives them the ability to make informed decisions moving forward.
Again, truly sorry to see this happen. That’s a massive amount of gear gone, and realistically, unlikely to ever be recovered. As many have already said, it’s not just about the financial loss — it’s about integrity. Being a man of your word still means something, and without that, you have nothing.
Hopefully there’s some form of resolution here, whether that be accountability, bans, or at minimum stronger awareness moving forward. We also all need to stay vigilant regarding alt accounts, because unfortunately this sort of thing has happened before on Evo. No names needed… but most of the Aussie boys will know exactly who we mean
If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Nothing but love from us, always.
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Uncle wong
RegenexPharma
Well-known member
Good old wongSide note can we take a quick minute to appreciate that absolute killer rear double @B3rnie is ripping in his dp
2 names come to mind.
Trendsetter
Uncle wong
I guessed right ey
Vegan cyclist
Do you think he plays TLC with a box of tissues realising he was his own undoing writing this thread lol..fuckwit
I was told by the man himself @Demon_throne to lock this thread, is it to cover something up?
Please comment @Demon_throne
Please comment @Demon_throne
The sad thing is, people like him have no insight. Only thing he will be annoyed about is not getting any more free gear.
Going by previous convos I recon he will playing victim, totally innocent and we are all picking on him.
Crazy part is he posted where he goes to gym, could become a victim yet.
Just wanted to add that Gainsman is my coach and we are running very low doses for my cut at the moment just TRT and 2iu HGH. He has been an amazing coach very practical and responsive and has mentioned many times in the coaching group chat about not needing to run huge amounts of compounds focusing on getting the most out what you have and keeping health in mind whilst still getting epic results.
Hopefully one bad client doesn't reflect badly but my experience with Gainsman has been amazing highly recommend him.
Hopefully one bad client doesn't reflect badly but my experience with Gainsman has been amazing highly recommend him.
Well said bro, anyone who knows gainsman knows or seen him around the forum know he is very knowledgeable and top tier. Don't let one fuckwit spoil that
Bit late to the party due to being on the road today, I just want to say @Gains Man is an outstanding individual, great coach, real good dude and a coach that teaches safety and minimal effective doses, he helped me over a 6 month period and I can’t speak highly enough of the great man
As negative as this situation might be I'm amazed at all you current and past clients that have came here and defended me
Actually overwhelmed and grateful for the support and reassuring to know I have made a positive impact in the community that means so much to me
Yes coaching pays my bills but I'm truly passionate about it and I honestly get more satisfaction out of seeing everyone else's success than I ever did from my own when I was competing
So thank you all once again
I'm honoured to be here ❤
Actually overwhelmed and grateful for the support and reassuring to know I have made a positive impact in the community that means so much to me
Yes coaching pays my bills but I'm truly passionate about it and I honestly get more satisfaction out of seeing everyone else's success than I ever did from my own when I was competing
So thank you all once again
I'm honoured to be here ❤
I know @Gains Man personally and rate him as highly as everyone as does, the man is always out to help others..
Hope your well brother
Hope your well brother
I'm more than well after reading all thisI know @Gains Man personally and rate him as highly as everyone as does, the man is always out to help others..
Hope your well brother
Very humbling almost brought to tears from everyone's kindness
Hey lads, I reached out to Demon to try to facilitate some sort of compensation for each affected vendor based on what they will accept.
I’ll leave it with Demon to provide an explanation, apology, or the equivalent as I don’t like to speak on behalf of someone else.
I will say that he has reached out to @IronHQ to apologise and make amends, it’s a work-in-progress and while promises aren’t the same as outcomes, I appreciate that he’s communicating effectively.
The other labs @ApexLabs_, @Unitedau, @Buck Pharmaceuticals, @IRONCLAD LABS, @War Born Peptides and @Southern Cross Labs will be addressed one by one until this is resolved.
Those labs are welcome to reply to this with suggestions for recompense if that’s what they want.
Cheers guys. It’s got nothing to do with me and I’m sure most of you don’t know me, but I reckon this can be cleared up reasonably.
I updated @Allupfromhere earlier to keep the mod team informed.
I’ll leave it with Demon to provide an explanation, apology, or the equivalent as I don’t like to speak on behalf of someone else.
I will say that he has reached out to @IronHQ to apologise and make amends, it’s a work-in-progress and while promises aren’t the same as outcomes, I appreciate that he’s communicating effectively.
The other labs @ApexLabs_, @Unitedau, @Buck Pharmaceuticals, @IRONCLAD LABS, @War Born Peptides and @Southern Cross Labs will be addressed one by one until this is resolved.
Those labs are welcome to reply to this with suggestions for recompense if that’s what they want.
Cheers guys. It’s got nothing to do with me and I’m sure most of you don’t know me, but I reckon this can be cleared up reasonably.
I updated @Allupfromhere earlier to keep the mod team informed.
Your a good man @Trumpy
I am sweet in all of this. It was my choice to cut ties with @Demon_throne and I was content when I made the choice to do so that I'd not be receiving any reimbursement for product sent.
A major lesson was learnt as I was a fresh green vendor.
i came out of this whole situation stronger with a better mindset and plan towards building Team War Born.
x2Your a good man @Trumpy
I am sweet in all of this. It was my choice to cut ties with @Demon_throne and I was content when I made the choice to do so that I'd not be receiving any reimbursement for product sent.
A major lesson was learnt as I was a fresh green vendor.
i came out of this whole situation stronger with a better mindset and plan towards building Team War Born.
Closure means everything to us and clearing our name from all the lies and negative attitude that influenced it is what we wanted to gain out of it.
We have a proven track record and reputation that we back both on forums and outside the forums and will continue to stay strong and serve each and every one of you in the most humble and positive way possible.
Thank you to all that supported us in this thread and other threads floating around, big thank you to those that privately reached out, many I didn’t even know which made me feel welcomed on another level and of course thanks to the team of mods that raised the concerns and put their foot down. It truly shows the care you have not only for the vendors but the people that built this community, every single member in it.
The fact that @Demon_throne was a chairman etc on the way to mod promotion raises many questions doesn’t it?
RegenexPharma
Well-known member
We know you had no part in this brother. You're still solid as ever with great respect.
Unfortunately you can't control the behavior of your clients & they should not reflect you as a person or your business.
Your references are clients transformations and they are top notch.
It is commended by coming on here to clear it up from your end regarding the stack intended.
He was basically using you as a Patsy to other vendors so he could gather high amounts of gear for his own benefits
Demon throne will always be known as a "Gear Ghost" or scumbag
Again, this is a really shit situation for everyone involved and just puts vendors on high alert.
I can see how this mistake was made.
This just proves that just because someone's the loudest in the room it doesn't mean they're right. People get drawn to that, but it doesn't make them correct, its just a sign of overconfidence. You've gotta make room for the quieter people who actually know what they're talking about.
Well said brother
After reading through all of this,
What I am seeing here mentioned as a repeating common thread & perhaps the backbone of this whole situation, is the desire to get muscular & strong, fit, lean or whatever else pertains to our chosen sports.
This I'm almost certain is what we most share in common
I've been around in this game for a very long time now, probably longer than a lot of you have been alive
I've seen everyday gym bro's, amateur's & Pro's come & go.
We all share the desire to become something more
️ 
In this desire a lot of us will turn to the world of PED's (Performance enhancing drugs)
It's in our instinct & in our nature to find things to better us & our own human race.
Things like plants, herbs, medicines & supplements.
There is a curiosity & science that exists in all of this.
Science is an experiment & with those experiments can come triumphs, cures & failures.
There is an element of risk & failure that is inevitably always involved.
I've seen examples of Champions
that were healthy in their pursuits & still are to this day.
Something I see as an unfortunately more common occurrence is young bodybuilders, I'm going to say strength athletes here as the broader term which means all facets including powerlifters strongmen & women & now fitness influences,
That some of have either become sick or have unfortunately passed away at a very young age.
With taking any type of Ped's or medicines there are always some types of risks involved.
There exists genetic variance, dietary & lifestyle risk factors in all of this.
The increases in sickness & deaths as of this later era most likely have to do with the increased popularity in our sports through the influences of social media.
When we see (more openly now than back in the day) how our physical or strength idols have become how they are, a vast majority will recognise in their own minds & opinions that he or she became that way solely because of Ped's.
I'm telling you all now that when it comes to muscles, unless you know how to train enough & train properly in the first place (stimulate muscle growth) almost nothing will happen.
No spark
️ no fire
There are always going to be those amongst us that want it all & want it now.
There is an increasing market in our society & culture were we have been taught that we can buy a product or service & have that almost instant gratification from it.
Such is the way of our modern era.
Rome wasn't built in a day my brothers & sisters.
If we only set our eyes on that end goal without being educated & learning the risks that are involved, if we decide to take every performance enhancing drug that is available now at doses far beyond what is considered reasonable or safe, we will be playing a game of chance.
A game of hit & miss that with it can come some very real risks & dangers to ourselves.
Here on EF as a whole we condone only the safe use of Ped's to better ourselves & to achieve our goals.
Let's stay strong together as a community a community that exists as a thriving unit helping ourselves & helping each other in our chosen pursuits & not take advantage of anyone else to better only just ourselves.
Let's all stay safe happy & healthy & enjoy life with each new educated & insightful step along the way
What I am seeing here mentioned as a repeating common thread & perhaps the backbone of this whole situation, is the desire to get muscular & strong, fit, lean or whatever else pertains to our chosen sports.
This I'm almost certain is what we most share in common
I've been around in this game for a very long time now, probably longer than a lot of you have been alive
I've seen everyday gym bro's, amateur's & Pro's come & go.
We all share the desire to become something more
️ In this desire a lot of us will turn to the world of PED's (Performance enhancing drugs)
It's in our instinct & in our nature to find things to better us & our own human race.
Things like plants, herbs, medicines & supplements.
There is a curiosity & science that exists in all of this.
Science is an experiment & with those experiments can come triumphs, cures & failures.
There is an element of risk & failure that is inevitably always involved.
I've seen examples of Champions
that were healthy in their pursuits & still are to this day.Something I see as an unfortunately more common occurrence is young bodybuilders, I'm going to say strength athletes here as the broader term which means all facets including powerlifters strongmen & women & now fitness influences,
That some of have either become sick or have unfortunately passed away at a very young age.
With taking any type of Ped's or medicines there are always some types of risks involved.
There exists genetic variance, dietary & lifestyle risk factors in all of this.
The increases in sickness & deaths as of this later era most likely have to do with the increased popularity in our sports through the influences of social media.
When we see (more openly now than back in the day) how our physical or strength idols have become how they are, a vast majority will recognise in their own minds & opinions that he or she became that way solely because of Ped's.
I'm telling you all now that when it comes to muscles, unless you know how to train enough & train properly in the first place (stimulate muscle growth) almost nothing will happen.
No spark
️ no fire There are always going to be those amongst us that want it all & want it now.
There is an increasing market in our society & culture were we have been taught that we can buy a product or service & have that almost instant gratification from it.
Such is the way of our modern era.
Rome wasn't built in a day my brothers & sisters.
If we only set our eyes on that end goal without being educated & learning the risks that are involved, if we decide to take every performance enhancing drug that is available now at doses far beyond what is considered reasonable or safe, we will be playing a game of chance.
A game of hit & miss that with it can come some very real risks & dangers to ourselves.
Here on EF as a whole we condone only the safe use of Ped's to better ourselves & to achieve our goals.
Let's stay strong
together as a community a community that exists as a thriving unit helping ourselves & helping each other in our chosen pursuits & not take advantage of anyone else to better only just ourselves.Let's all stay safe happy & healthy & enjoy life with each new educated & insightful step along the way
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Amen to thatAfter reading through all of this,
What I am seeing here mentioned as a repeating common thread & perhaps the backbone of this whole situation, is the desire to get muscular & strong, fit, lean or whatever else pertains to our chosen sports.
This I'm almost certain is what we most share in common
I've been around in this game for a very long time now, probably longer than a lot of you have been alive
I've seen everyday gym bro's, amateur's & Pro's come & go.
We all share the desire to become something more
In this desire a lot of us will turn to the world of PED's (Performance enhancing drugs)
It's in our instinct & in our nature to find things to better us & our own human race.
Things like plants, herbs, medicines & supplements.
There is a curiosity & science that exists in all of this.
Science is an experiment & with those experiments can come triumphs, cures & failures.
There is an element of risk & failure that is inevitably always involved.
I've seen examples of Champions
Something I see as an unfortunately more common occurrence is young bodybuilders, I'm going to say strength athletes here as the broader term which means all facets including powerlifters strongmen & women & now fitness influences,
That some of have either become sick or have unfortunately passed away at a very young age.
With taking any type of Ped's or medicines there are always some types of risks involved.
There exists genetic variance, dietary & lifestyle risk factors in all of this.
The increases in sickness & deaths as of this later era most likely have to do with the increased popularity in our sports through the influences of social media.
When we see (more openly now than back in the day) how our physical or strength idols have become how they are, a vast majority will recognise in their own minds & opinions that he or she became that way solely because of Ped's.
I'm telling you all now that when it comes to muscles, unless you know how to train enough & train properly in the first place (stimulate muscle growth) almost nothing will happen.
No spark
There are always going to be those amongst us that want it all & want it now.
There is an increasing market in our society & culture were we have been taught that we can buy a product or service & have that almost instant gratification from it.
Such is the way of our modern era.
Rome wasn't built in a day my brothers & sisters.
If we only set our eyes on that end goal without being educated & learning the risks that are involved, if we decide to take every performance enhancing drug that is available now at doses far beyond what is considered reasonable or safe, we will be playing a game of chance.
A game of hit & miss that with it can come some very real risks & dangers to ourselves.
Here on EF as a whole we condone only the safe use of Ped's to better ourselves & to achieve our goals.
Let's stay strong
Let's all stay safe happy & healthy & enjoy life with each new educated & insightful step along the way
Screw the last month.. This thread has been the most activity on EF EVER
Congrats @Demon_throne. Doing well here as Chairman to boost EF!
So far I've made sure I'm square with SCL @Southern Cross Labs as my longest term sponsor I felt it was right to make sure he was whole first.
@Gains Man has terminated my coaching with him, which he has every right to do, my actions and behaviours are not a reflection of the man. This was all me and all my doing.
Over the corse of today @IronHQ and I have been talking he is going to be the next to be made whole. Once he is whole @ApexLabs_ I'll be reaching out to you so we can sort things.
I just want to say I'm sorry about all of this it was never my intention to have this happen, that's why I'm going through one by one making things right
Each lab can confirm once I've made them whole, as can @Trumpy since he is acting as a mediator of sorts. And he is being kept in the loop about what's going on.
I have also made the decision that even once all of this is sorted and put to bed I will not be returning to the forums.
@Gains Man has terminated my coaching with him, which he has every right to do, my actions and behaviours are not a reflection of the man. This was all me and all my doing.
Over the corse of today @IronHQ and I have been talking he is going to be the next to be made whole. Once he is whole @ApexLabs_ I'll be reaching out to you so we can sort things.
I just want to say I'm sorry about all of this it was never my intention to have this happen, that's why I'm going through one by one making things right
Each lab can confirm once I've made them whole, as can @Trumpy since he is acting as a mediator of sorts. And he is being kept in the loop about what's going on.
I have also made the decision that even once all of this is sorted and put to bed I will not be returning to the forums.
@Demon_throne You’re a good man for taking ownership and making amends with the vendors. I hope you keep grinding in the gym and in life
If nothing else, I do respect the effort to come back and front the issues.
Its a shame it took @Trumpy's intervention for it to happen.
I hope there is a lesson learned here for whatever your life brings you moving foward.
Humility and staying humble goes significantly further then any fabricated titles can give you.
Giving more then you take is a very easy and modest way to live by champ.
hehe champed his mooching ass
You created a shit situation, but you’ve handled this the right way thus far.
I won’t begrudge a man who takes ownership of his mistakes and rights the wrongs.
Let’s focus on the positive and keep the momentum going.
Not sure this is being done out of the kindness of his heart, or as a "good honourable thing"
More so the fact of the happenings on AUS-SF,
He shit himself.
Don't forget he shut up his socials and accounts and tried to just "smoke bomb" this whole ordeal before that.
I am however greatful that debts are being repaid.
More so the fact of the happenings on AUS-SF,
He shit himself.
Don't forget he shut up his socials and accounts and tried to just "smoke bomb" this whole ordeal before that.
I am however greatful that debts are being repaid.
Honourable decision @Demon_throne
As aussies love to say on facebook "pay ya tick c@#t!!!"
Some credit is due at least for finally facing up.
I truly hope you do reflect and improve on your behaviour.
But if you are going to do this, let’s make sure no one is forgotten about. @Buck Pharmaceuticals was exploited for 2x vials of Primo. Just because he’s not super active here doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be reimbursed also.
@Trumpy
Well done for ‘making the decision to not return’ to a forum you are not welcome on
Don’t disguise this as trying to make amends with everyone, you were given 48 hours on ASF to fix this or your gps details were released by them.
It’s evident you can’t feel something like remorse for who you have fucked over, fear and only fear is your driving force to correct this.
RegenexPharma
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@Demon_throne — I’ll give you some credit for coming back, facing the music, and by the looks of it, making an effort to right the wrongs with those you affected.
The biggest positive to come from this whole situation has been the overwhelming support shown for our fellow vendors by the community across both EF and EVO.
Too often, it’s the dodgy operators slipping through the cracks that scam hard-working members out of money or gear, and when that happens, it puts a target on the backs of all legitimate vendors. So I’m sure the vendors impacted in this thread truly appreciate the support shown by everyone.
The reality is, the majority of vendors here are good blokes — the ones who step up to help brothers who’ve been burned before, contribute to giveaways, support fellow vendors when they’re in need, and even help members privately when they’re doing it tough. That’s what real community is about.
So when things go sideways, it’s refreshing to see that same support returned when it matters most.
What’s done is done at this point. I don’t think Demon needs to be publicly dragged any further after his response. Hopefully Trumpy can just keep everyone updated as outstanding expenses are resolved, or at least until all affected parties are reasonably satisfied.
To @Demon_throne — I sincerely hope this has been a major lesson, brother. What you choose to do with it moving forward will likely shape not only your reputation online, but your real life as well. A man’s word, integrity, humility, and ability to keep his ego in check are everything. Stand by your word, stay humble, and be better from here.
Big thanks as well to the legendary Aussie Chairmen and the EF mods for keeping this matter as civil as possible throughout the chaos.
We appreciate you boys.
The biggest positive to come from this whole situation has been the overwhelming support shown for our fellow vendors by the community across both EF and EVO.
Too often, it’s the dodgy operators slipping through the cracks that scam hard-working members out of money or gear, and when that happens, it puts a target on the backs of all legitimate vendors. So I’m sure the vendors impacted in this thread truly appreciate the support shown by everyone.
The reality is, the majority of vendors here are good blokes — the ones who step up to help brothers who’ve been burned before, contribute to giveaways, support fellow vendors when they’re in need, and even help members privately when they’re doing it tough. That’s what real community is about.
So when things go sideways, it’s refreshing to see that same support returned when it matters most.
What’s done is done at this point. I don’t think Demon needs to be publicly dragged any further after his response. Hopefully Trumpy can just keep everyone updated as outstanding expenses are resolved, or at least until all affected parties are reasonably satisfied.
To @Demon_throne — I sincerely hope this has been a major lesson, brother. What you choose to do with it moving forward will likely shape not only your reputation online, but your real life as well. A man’s word, integrity, humility, and ability to keep his ego in check are everything. Stand by your word, stay humble, and be better from here.
Big thanks as well to the legendary Aussie Chairmen and the EF mods for keeping this matter as civil as possible throughout the chaos.
We appreciate you boys.
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