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Severe shoulder injury...Q's on peptide cycle

_kt_

_kt_

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Ok guys, gonna need some experienced peptide users to help with this one. Severe shoulder injury, got pics in my gallery. Been out of training for a while. But have been going again for a few months. Been talking to Zed and getting my tide cycle squared away. Been scouring the site for weeks gathering info. Plan on running the GHRP or Ipa at 100mcg 3xDaily, and CJC1295 the same. So here are the q's.
1) Which tide heals the best? Ipa or GHRP-2
2) Amount of GH released? I have also read that GHRP-2 can only cause a certain amount of GH release no matter the dose, but Ipa can just about empty the pituitary b/c increased doses result in increases in GH release. True and benefits of it.
3) And one more. Read alot on the healing properties. How can i increase effectiveness? Heard that injecting close to the injury will result in increased healing.
If i'm pinning 3 times a day, i could do am and pwo in the abs and pre bed in the shoulder. What do u think?
KT
 
You're right about ipa. No worries about prolactin or cortisol like you would have with GHRP2 either. As far as benefits to site injection, I don't think the GHRP's or GHRH's have any local effect since they both exert their effects at the pituitary. You'd have to look in to the IGF's for site growth benefits.
 
I would definitely go with ipa over ghrp! I've ran both and I'm on ipa right now....no extreme hunger and it works over a longer period if time instead of just being powerful for a short time after injection, as for the Cjc I would suggest looking into Cjc 1923...personal choice for me and if you go to the right site you can get GREAT DEALS on that combo pack.....and also the injection site will not effect the healing process your going to want to inject in your abdominal fat which is easiest and least painful
 
Pelton, in ur experience what would u say the diffs are between 1293 and 1295?

Also this was said by jklooking on NTBM forum "Administration of GHRPS (2, 6, Ipamorelin, Hexarelin, etc.) as close to the injury is recommended, because they have special direct affects on injured tissue that is unrelated to the release of GH.
IGF-l is systemic, but site injection is still the protocol. You give the site first use of it. I recommend plain IGF-1.
MGF is commonly used for site specific injury. This in conjunction with IGF-1 is very conducive to your healing protocol. The only problem with usage of IGF-1 is the cost. Anecdotal evidence shows it stays local, even when it was pegylated. I have two very related threads from another site, if you're interested in using this. Very specific protocols with very good results. Hit me up privately. I recommend plain MGF."

KT
 
From Kleen NTBM "
Ipamorelin is going to be the stronger GHRP so it will more than likely be the one that helps with healing more due to a much higher GH output. Also does not raise cortisol or prolactin which is good for other reasons. According to everything I am readin now though the local injections aren't going to do anything special for you unless you are using IGF-1 or IGF1-Lr3, the GHRH, and GHRP are only active via the stimulating pituitary into GH secretions. The released GH then stimulates the localized IGF-1 release however the location of the injection doesn't matter it has to travel through the bloodstream to the gland to stimulate the secretion before anything happens regardless of where you stick it in. IGF-1 is attracted to damaged tissue and this is where the localized repair comes in.

With IGF-1 or the Lr3 the location of the injection being as close as possible to the injury is very important as it is already active IGF-1 and saturation of an area provides the best results. This is what i have learned over the past several days doing a ton of research on the subject. So from everything I have read you don't have to pin the GHRH or GHRP close to the injury only IGF. "

Again "I have to make a slight correction to my last post. Apparently there is some type of localized effect from the GHRP, I think in releasing IGF-1 locally maybe but most of it's actions are systemic. Either way the GHRH is systemic and so is the GHRP however for healing there has been some proof that site specific injections may be of use due to local IGF expression I think. Would have to verify with Russian."


So IGF might potentially have the best healing properties and that seems to be based on site injection. Whereas the GHRP are systemic and it really doesnt matter because they stimulate the pituitary.

KT
 
To be honest I've never experimented with cjc1925 because there is better deals with 1923 but from what I have read and know is that 1925 is just Cjc 1923 with an attached MPA which is DAC so no huge difference really besides 1925 has DAC and 1923 does not
 
I've used Ipamorelin and GHRP due to a torn rotator cuff,500mcgs is the norm ,as close to the injury as possible.I have aquired some IGF to use also, so far the both i have used have offer a significent improvement for several months. however you have to find which one works best for you.
 
Bren, i'm pretty sure it will heal injuries slightly. As the GHRP's have to get to the pituitary to release GH and the liver to make igf and then the igf and gh have to reach to damaged tissue. With direct igf site injections that process can be greatly improved i assume. Because the igf has the ability to stimulate cell growth.

KT
 
_kt_ said:
Bren, i'm pretty sure it will heal injuries slightly. As the GHRP's have to get to the pituitary to release GH and the liver to make igf and then the igf and gh have to reach to damaged tissue. With direct igf site injections that process can be greatly improved i assume. Because the igf has the ability to stimulate cell growth.

KT
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Ding! We have a winner. Just don't expect it to happen overnight ,alot depends on the extent of the injury and your age!


at my age any improvement is good! :)
 
Radar, how much experience do u have with igf-lr3? I have a pretty bad shoulder injury. Blown up in Iraq by a roadside bomb. Check my gallery for pics. Anyways i am trying to rebuild my shoulder mass along with whatever else can be rebuilt in there. Theres a good read on : http://www..com/forum/peptide-science/590445-collection-writings-igf.html about igf.
Some notables are:
* Stimulates muscle growth and has been shown to benefit the heart (a muscle).
* Encourages the absorption of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine Sulfate (also found in Velvet Antler).
* Regenerates nerve tissue
* Helps burn fat, increase protein transport into cells, and reduce protein breakdown
* Improves the production of white blood cells
* Decreases LDL Cholesterol

I have some nerve damage in my shoulder so igf seems to fit nicely.

The thing is i only want and need to rebuild my right shoulder, so the normal 30-60 mcg dose pwo in the muscles worked seems inappropriate. I want to inject directly into the injured delt. What dosages would u recommend or anyone for that matter?
 
_kt_ said:
Radar, how much experience do u have with igf-lr3? I have a pretty bad shoulder injury. Blown up in Iraq by a roadside bomb. Check my gallery for pics. Anyways i am trying to rebuild my shoulder mass along with whatever else can be rebuilt in there. Theres a good read on : http://www..com/forum/peptide-science/590445-collection-writings-igf.html about igf.
Some notables are:
* Stimulates muscle growth and has been shown to benefit the heart (a muscle).
* Encourages the absorption of Chondroitin Sulfate and Glucosamine Sulfate (also found in Velvet Antler).
* Regenerates nerve tissue
* Helps burn fat, increase protein transport into cells, and reduce protein breakdown
* Improves the production of white blood cells
* Decreases LDL Cholesterol

I have some nerve damage in my shoulder so igf seems to fit nicely.

The thing is i only want and need to rebuild my right shoulder, so the normal 30-60 mcg dose pwo in the muscles worked seems inappropriate. I want to inject directly into the injured delt. What dosages would u recommend or anyone for that matter?
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I would start with a slin pin as close to the injury as possible,you can use 80mcg and up to 100mcg's max
No need to inject Every day ,every other day or every 3rd day is recommended
ahhh! Peptides are so wonderful


sorry about your injury ,remember it will possiblly take several treatments but ,each one should show some improvement!
 
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Radar, i was under the impression that the max dose for igf1-lr3 is 100mcg. Were u referring to the GHRP's?
 
Yea that sounds more like it. With my shoulder in the state it is in, and doing the lr3, could i get away with working my shoulder 3 times per week and injecting pre or pwo for the best results?

I was also thinking of running Ipa and 1295.

What do u think of this?

Ipa 100mcg 2 times daily right after waking and pre bed
CJC 1295 same ^^^
IGF-LR3 start out 60-80 mcg 3 times weekly around workout time

Will only be using it for my right shoulder to help it recover,

KT
 
_kt_ said:
Yea that sounds more like it. With my shoulder in the state it is in, and doing the lr3, could i get away with working my shoulder 3 times per week and injecting pre or pwo for the best results?

I was also thinking of running Ipa and 1295.

What do u think of this?

Ipa 100mcg 2 times daily right after waking and pre bed
CJC 1295 same ^^^
IGF-LR3 start out 60-80 mcg 3 times weekly around workout time

Will only be using it for my right shoulder to help it recover,

KT
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Looks good, i believe the IGF is more effective right before training!Good luck my friend!
 
Hey bro, you got a nice discussion going here, good for you.
I would inject directly into the wound but I would do multiple mico injections, thats just me.
My reasoning is that from what I have studied this seems to be the most beneficial way to do it.
Basically using a shotgun approach to cover a wide area with smaller dosses, but still all at one time.
Very best regards bro and best of luck in this.
 
Zed, how small of micros are u talking and how often? I know the igf's and ghrp's are supposed to be separated by a few hours.

Any info on workout frequency? IGF directly into the muscle will speed recovery, but how fast? Mostly doing a push, pull, legs split at the moment, 5-7 reps, 2-3 ex per body part, 4 sets. Could i add some shoulder work on pull and legs day for just the right shoulder with the injections?

And Zed please elaborate on the micros please.

KT
 
The reason why ghrp-s have a local affect on the healing of wounds is because they have an interaction with the hypothalamus, anterior pituitary, and renal pelvis GHRP receptor mRNA, most predominantly in the arcuate nucleus and ventromedial hypothalamus, what that means here is Ghrp's stimulate gh release through the normal mechanism, and the corresponding gh pulse acts on the various cells that respond to gh, in this thread we are focused on the cells attached to collagen, GH secretagogue receptors are found everywhere on the human body.. what is interesting is that where injections of Ghrp's are made these receptors are more heavily populated, thus the localised affects on injurys that many have seen.. Smaller doses are better for this as it doesnt seem to matter how much ghrp is injected only a certain amount of receptor activity can be seen.
This is through a lot of study and a lot of research i have come to this conclusion.

Of all the ghrp's Hexarelin has the strongest affect on stimulating the GHSR in a localised "site injection area"

Hope that helps guys, RS
 
Good freaking info here guys!!! Way over my head.....well until star came in and dumbed it way down for everyone hahahahahha. Love that guy.

I'm about to run ipa...just waiting on the insulin pins. Very excited to give peptides a try. Heard great things.
 
RickO'Shea said:
Good freaking info here guys!!! Way over my head.....well until star came in and dumbed it way down for everyone hahahahahha. Love that guy.

I'm about to run ipa...just waiting on the insulin pins. Very excited to give peptides a try. Heard great things.
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I plan to run ipa in the not too distant future. Curious to see what kind of results you have.
 
RickO'Shea said:
Good freaking info here guys!!! Way over my head.....well until star came in and dumbed it way down for everyone hahahahahha. Love that guy.

I'm about to run ipa...just waiting on the insulin pins. Very excited to give peptides a try. Heard great things.
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got 4 kits of this, running it right now rick, what are u expecting?

im just expecting to drop pain, and get back in the gym, i dont expect really any gains from it lol
 
I don't know what to expect. I'm HOPING for some pain to go away in my knee, and a little fat loss....but who knows.
 
@ Rick and @ Bren

You guys gonna do site injections or just systemic stuff in the lower abs subq.
 
i have a shoulder injury and it nags me constantly it seems. When i do incline press with anything over 100, it really starts to ache. Can i see how you will do everything, as far as injection times and how much and of what?
 
@ JB, I will give u my opinion. The reason i started this thread is to find out the most effective way to heal and regenerate damaged tissue. For minor injuries i would suggest 100mcg Ipamorelin along with 100mcg CJC1295 no DAC, 3 times daily, upon waking/pwo/prebed, as close to injury as possible.

I have a severe injury. Almost had my arm blown off. Check gallery for pics. I have come to the conclusion, still not finalized tho, that igf-lr3 is superior to the other peptides as far as healing goes. It seems to be more effective the closer to injury it is.

I am continuing to further my reasearch to best the best possible way to do it because my injury is so severe.

Feel free to PM me if u have any q's. I have alot of reference material available.

KT
 
Ok, got this from Russian over on NTBM forum. please give opinions.

2G creatine mono ed.
30mg zinc ed
400mg magnesium ed
2g vit c ed
150mg hexarelin 3x ed
3mg cjc with dac ew
40mcg igf1-lr3 ed
 
fuck i have none of those

and KT

thank you for serving, your sacrifice is much appreciated, im in Canada but i appreciate it anyways.
i have no igf.. just ass loads of Ipa and some ghrp-2 + ghrp-6... i want to heal up too!
and no i dont do at site, i do on my leg.. close to site, sub cue in the fatty tissues on upper and outter thigh, too afraid to do stomach.. dont know why...
 
Bro stomach is so easy and nearly painless.
Just kinda loosely pinch up some skin on your belly and poke that slin pin in and shoot it. Really bro it is that simple and easy. Give it a shot, I know you can do it.

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@ Bren Dont freak out about that info i posted. Russian came with that just for me because of how severe my injury is. I know i say this alot but if u havent seen my pics in my gallery, check them out. You will see what im working with.

I think u could do alot with what u have. Dont have any GHRH's on hand? I know they really amplify the effects of the tides. I would start with 100mcg Ipa 3 times ed as close to injury as possible. Then use the GHRP2 when that is done. I guess depends on ur goal. Heard that -6 will make u hungry as fuck. Might want to save that till u want to put on some weight. LOL.

I wouldnt freak out about the ab subq. Check out this video from Needto on his blog:
Need To Build Muscle Inc. Official Blog
Scrool down about midway and check the video. Easy as pie man.

Thanks for the thanks man. I'm pretty sure i saw some Canadians over there. I heard about that Canadian sniper too. U?

KT
 
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@ Bren Dont freak out about that info i posted. Russian came with that just for me because of how severe my injury is. I know i say this alot but if u havent seen my pics in my gallery, check them out. You will see what im working with.

I think u could do alot with what u have. Dont have any GHRH's on hand? I know they really amplify the effects of the tides. I would start with 100mcg Ipa 3 times ed as close to injury as possible. Then use the GHRP2 when that is done. I guess depends on ur goal. Heard that -6 will make u hungry as fuck. Might want to save that till u want to put on some weight. LOL.

I wouldnt freak out about the ab subq. Check out this video from Needto on his blog:
Need To Build Muscle Inc. Official Blog
Scrool down about midway and check the video. Easy as pie man.

Thanks for the thanks man. I'm pretty sure i saw some Canadians over there. I heard about that Canadian sniper too. U?

KT
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lol yes man that sniper, me and my fraternity brother were talkinga bout it, its pretty impressive, we are contest shooters, so we were pretty mind boggled at how far he was capping them from. but the longest shot ever made was from a canadian too.. guess.. us lacking balls has made us good shooters from afar ;) haha.

im guna check ur pics, and im guna look at that video too, i hope its just not the one iv seen lol does in the stomach make it more effective?
 
Dont know about effectiveness. Peptides are mostly systemic which means they are circulated by the bloodstream to the different glands and then the GH is released throughout the whole body. When the GH reaches the liver igf is released and that is circulated throughout the body too. In my opinion the only site injected benefits would be from igf, as it is already active and doesnt have to be circulated. All the peptides do have lypolysis properties though so if u are heavy around the midsection it might help u trim down a little if shot in the abs. LOL.

Dont have nothing to do about balls. I was infantry but i would still like to shoot them before they could see me. I love shooting too. i have shot the US Army's sniper rifle Remington 300 with leupold scope, i can consistently hit silhouet targets at 600 meters.

KT:chesty:
 
Experience and pros and cons of using a low dose of boldenone/eq to help with collagen healing and synthesis to help injuries. Suggested to me by Russian at NTBM. Any opinions?

KT
 
hey KT. how is ur regimen going?

im doing only stum injections now! lol its not bad at all, ists about jabbing fast while watching something else,

so far im doing the GH i have.. getting rid of it at least 4IU's.. ed 5 on 2 off

during the day,

then im doing the ghrp-6, i only have 2 vials so im guna be using that at night so i can get a big pulse :)

and iv only used an ar-15 and SK :( wish i could be using that rifle u got.. fuck tell me uv used an AA-12! and u can buy it in the states? i do plan moving there once i am finished with my schooling (going to be a CA)

in canada, our guns are limited and our clips are SMALL alllanced to 5 rounds :| (some fuck ass killed a bunch of people in montreal, theefore clips are made smaller.. )

-B
 
@ Bren, havent started everything yet. Trying to get it hammered out first. I have decided which tides to run and the other supps but after further research i am going to add in other stuff that i still need to get. Russian from NTBM suggested a low dose of eq for collagen synthesis and Zed here uses deca for the same reason. They are similar. I really need all the help i can get. You check them pics yet?

Yea the army has some cool weapons. I have a Remington 300 short action at home that i shoot with/ hunting. I can usually cut holes at 150yds. I love shooting and stuff.

LOL on the stomach injects.

Yeah dumb people fuck it up for everybody. You cant cure stupid i always say! Too many crazy people in the wrld. Me and my wife both have our carry permits. Take it with me everywhere.
 
Heres the best two pics.

First is the actual hole in my shoulder. Thats how big is was. The black stuff is foam inside the hole.

Second is a CT scan of the bones. Yea they are pretty messed up.

Most people dont know how i move my arm at all. I credit it to my training and hard work.

KT
 
@ Radar

Served 6 years Army, 3 tours Iraq. Truck was hit by a roadside bomb. Nearly blew my arm off. Well, u can see the broken bones and stuff, a few nerves were damaged, the ulnar nerve (funny bone) is paralyzed, severed an artery, and puntured a lung. Whew, that was a mouthful. Made a little progress with the therapy after the injury but not much. That happened Nov 2006. So i dont expect the nerves to grow back anymore.

I have been easing back into the gym for the last few months. And trying to design this tide cycle to have the most benefit.

So far with Zed and Russian's help i am here:
2G creatine mono ed.
30mg zinc ed
400mg magnesium ed
2g vit c ed
150mg Hexarelin 3x ed
3mg cjc with dac ew
40mcg igf1-lr3 ed
Boldelone at 250mg ew for 20 weeks also.

Radar, i heard u were pretty good diet wise. Any tips on specific areas to help rehab/heal and damaged tissue in my shoulder?

KT
 
_kt_ said:
@ Radar

Served 6 years Army, 3 tours Iraq. Truck was hit by a roadside bomb. Nearly blew my arm off. Well, u can see the broken bones and stuff, a few nerves were damaged, the ulnar nerve (funny bone) is paralyzed, severed an artery, and puntured a lung. Whew, that was a mouthful. Made a little progress with the therapy after the injury but not much. That happened Nov 2006. So i dont expect the nerves to grow back anymore.

I have been easing back into the gym for the last few months. And trying to design this tide cycle to have the most benefit.

So far with Zed and Russian's help i am here:
2G creatine mono ed.
30mg zinc ed
400mg magnesium ed
2g vit c ed
150mg Hexarelin 3x ed
3mg cjc with dac ew
40mcg igf1-lr3 ed
Boldelone at 250mg ew for 20 weeks also.

Radar, i heard u were pretty good diet wise. Any tips on specific areas to help rehab/heal and damaged tissue in my shoulder?

KT
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first of all let me thank you for your service to our country -i salute you.
Next let me drag out my notes i have lots of stuff written down that i can't remember everything.and i'm not sure i've ever encountered an injury that bad.
Expect a pm in the next day or so.
 
@ Radar

Thx man. Just doing my part i always tell people. Well, there wouldnt necessarily be an injury worse than this. Anything else would result in amputation. So i had the worst shoulder injury that ever came thru Walter Reed Army Medical Center in DC that still has my arm. I credit everything to my muscle. This pic was taken only 6 days before i got hit. Me in my prime i suppose. I lost alot of meat man. I had several docs tell me that my muscle mass saved my life. So got to keep on truckin. Gonna try to get back close to where i was. With all ur guys help of course.

Thx Radar, i appreciate any help i can get from u man.

KT
 
Thats one massive injury bro - good luck to u !!!!

Thanks for fighting for us
 
BUMP

@ Radar You had time to go over ur notes man?

@ Bren Hows ur cycle going man?

@ JB Have u started anything yet bro?


KT
 
JUST FOUND THIS AGAIN -

@ KT - going to order my Ipam tomorrow at precision peptides (they have a buyone getone special right now - check them out!) . I'll do the Ipam at 300mcgs/day 100 upon waking, 100 pwo, and 100 pre-bed - gonna try site injects with the slin pins. Also may run a low does GH but thats in the wings. I'd like to try Ipam by itself. I'll run it for about a month

Hows yours coming along????
 
Hey man, just want to say THANK YOU for all you have done for us. I wish you the best on your recovery. That Purple Heart is amazing
 
_kt_ said:
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@ Radar You had time to go over ur notes man?

@ Bren Hows ur cycle going man?

@ JB Have u started anything yet bro?


KT
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I was going over my posts and came across this, Did i ever PM you???

I'm always good at following up but sometimes Shit Happens.
 
I seriously apologize for taking so long. Things come up and shit, yall know how life can be. Update to follow shortly.

KT
 
hey guys i got RC injury and some wrist pain..i was planing to run some tb-500 4mg for 6 weeks and hgh 2ui per day for 3 months.wat u guys suggest?should i try instead of tb500 ipam/grf(1-29)?
 
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