Fitness Log

[Andalite]

my goals are size and strength.

I wasn't really talking to you but thats fine...you must think this journal is your own.

I lift heavy with on my big 3 lifts which are deadlift, ATG squat and benchpress because I plan on competing in a full powerlifting meet this year. I do 2-4 assistance exercises each workout for each of those big 3 lifts and with the assistance exercises I do a little more volume but still go heavy. I either do several sets of a certain amount of reps and use a lighter weight so I can complete all sets or I pyramid up to one max set. I have one whole workout dedicated to military pressing strength even though that is not a lift I plan on competing in. I have started to compete in weightlifting now and I am stronger every week. I PR every lift pretty much every workout.

1.) You're a beginner. You're meant to PR every workout. It's nothing special.

2.) Everything you described regarding your training shows all your exercises moving towards performance. Your assistance exercises are meant to increase one of the big 3 you've selected. Therefore, how exactly does ANY of this seem like you're doing something size/hypertrophy based?

I also gain bodyweight and get bigger doing this, I have gained 25lbs since around november-ish time and maintained by bodyfat level.

Well thats fine. It just means the fat you put on with the muscle you put on maintained a BF% ratio. Size has very little to do with your training but more so to do with your diet. It's not your routine which deserves an applause of this feat but your diet.

What makes you think you can only do one thing? The only time I can think this would be true is when you want to dramatically drop bodyfat but also gain alot of muscle at the same time, that is often impossible...

1.) It is not impossible at all. Go over to Lyle McDonald's forum and you'll see that happening all the time.

2.) Did I ever say you can only do one thing?

Strength training is strength training. Hypertrophy depends largely on your diet. However, if you approach your lifting with the perspective of strength training while wanting hypertrophy you'll be in conundrum because you won't be able to decide how to progress. That is what all this depends on: progress. And therefore, if you think of training for strength while eating correctly, you can achieve all your goals.

I don't get this about you...Why does everyone need to do what you are doing? You're just won a British Record in the bench press division. While thats awesome that you compete having a 205 lbs bench in a country like the US which is MUCH more competitive in PL'ing is nothing for someone in your weightclass. Hell, I can Deadlift close to 500 lbs and if I intend on winning a meet I need it to be close to 600 lbs and this is all in the 198 lbs division.

Here's my issue:

You think everyone needs to do what you do. If you do dips it means everyone needs to do them. If you do only one set per week it means everyone needs to do the same. If you gain size and strength then everyone must also be doing the same thing. If you put on muscle, so should everyone else.

I help Josh with his Deadlifts which have been progressing very well. I can't see the quality of his form because he doesn't record his lifts but by his description it seems okay. However, do I make Josh do what I do on Deadlifts? Fuck no. He's training at his level and I am at mine. I don't need to enforce my views by making others do what I do. I don't care about size because I can manipulate my weight with a diet and even drop 10-15 lbs in a couple of weeks through sheer hard dieting (you'll have to have read or bought Lyle McDonald and Leigh Peele's books to know what I'm talking about). Do I go and shove this view down Trevor's throat? No. My question was directed specifically to him because if you know exactly what you want you can better try to get it. Why be the jack of all trades and the master of none?

 

[Tblock1]

I wasn't really talking to you but thats fine...you must think this journal is your own.



1.) You're a beginner. You're meant to PR every workout. It's nothing special.

2.) Everything you described regarding your training shows all your exercises moving towards performance. Your assistance exercises are meant to increase one of the big 3 you've selected. Therefore, how exactly does ANY of this seem like you're doing something size/hypertrophy based?



Well thats fine. It just means the fat you put on with the muscle you put on maintained a BF% ratio. Size has very little to do with your training but more so to do with your diet. It's not your routine which deserves an applause of this feat but your diet.



1.) It is not impossible at all. Go over to Lyle McDonald's forum and you'll see that happening all the time.

2.) Did I ever say you can only do one thing?

Strength training is strength training. Hypertrophy depends largely on your diet. However, if you approach your lifting with the perspective of strength training while wanting hypertrophy you'll be in conundrum because you won't be able to decide how to progress. That is what all this depends on: progress. And therefore, if you think of training for strength while eating correctly, you can achieve all your goals.

I don't get this about you...Why does everyone need to do what you are doing? You're just won a British Record in the bench press division. While thats awesome that you compete having a 205 lbs bench in a country like the US which is MUCH more competitive in PL'ing is nothing for someone in your weightclass. Hell, I can Deadlift close to 500 lbs and if I intend on winning a meet I need it to be close to 600 lbs and this is all in the 198 lbs division.

Here's my issue:

You think everyone needs to do what you do. If you do dips it means everyone needs to do them. If you do only one set per week it means everyone needs to do the same. If you gain size and strength then everyone must also be doing the same thing. If you put on muscle, so should everyone else.

I help Josh with his Deadlifts which have been progressing very well. I can't see the quality of his form because he doesn't record his lifts but by his description it seems okay. However, do I make Josh do what I do on Deadlifts? Fuck no. He's training at his level and I am at mine. I don't need to enforce my views by making others do what I do. I don't care about size because I can manipulate my weight with a diet and even drop 10-15 lbs in a couple of weeks through sheer hard dieting (you'll have to have read or bought Lyle McDonald and Leigh Peele's books to know what I'm talking about). Do I go and shove this view down Trevor's throat? No. My question was directed specifically to him because if you know exactly what you want you can better try to get it. Why be the jack of all trades and the master of none?

Well that is the thing though, I really want to go into an American special ops unit, and they teach you to be a jack of all trades. So I want to be strong, run far and hard, do tons of bodyweight exercises, and still climb well. And I also am eating a shit ton and am up to 195, because gaining 5-10 pounds will make your lifts shoot up.

 

[ExtraMile]

I thought you said that if you concentrate on two goals then neither will work very well, I must have miss-interpreted your post.

No I dont think everyone should train like I do but how else can I give advice except for on things I have done myself, that may be why you think I only talk about the way I train, because I just talk about things I have experienced

 

[Andalite]

Well that is the thing though, I really want to go into an American special ops unit, and they teach you to be a jack of all trades. So I want to be strong, run far and hard, do tons of bodyweight exercises, and still climb well. And I also am eating a shit ton and am up to 195, because gaining 5-10 pounds will make your lifts shoot up.

Have you read on these guys? Coz I have and they're largely endurance based but even so, they're not taught to be the jack of all trades but the MASTER of everything they do. Especially the rangers and the green berets. They're taught to govern a city, motivate troops and basically be as close to God as possible.

So, thats exactly what my point is: if you know what these are expected to do you must make it your foremost priority to do what they do better than anyone else. If Deadlifts (for example) aren't they're major focus, then don't make them yours. Since their curriculum is so specialized and specific to certain movements (from my readings), try to do EXACTLY what they want and keep other lifts as your own.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Therefore, how exactly does ANY of this seem like you're doing something size/hypertrophy based?











I don't care about size because I can manipulate my weight with a diet and even drop 10-15 lbs in a couple of weeks through sheer hard dieting (you'll have to have read or bought Lyle McDonald and Leigh Peele's books to know what I'm talking about).

Anything 3 or more reps will put on some size if you are eating. I know skinny guys that only do singles and they can put up a good amount of weight. If they train higher reps, theyll get bigger, gain more weight, and get out of their competing weight which they dont want.

And losing 10-15lbs in a couple weeks is just retarded. Thats not going to be all fat. Why would you want to lose 10-15lbs in 2 weeks anyway?

 

[Andalite]

Anything 3 or more reps will put on some size if you are eating. I know skinny guys that only do singles and they can put up a good amount of weight. If they train higher reps, theyll get bigger, gain more weight, and get out of their competing weight which they dont want.

And losing 10-15lbs in a couple weeks is just retarded. Thats not going to be all fat. Why would you want to lose 10-15lbs in 2 weeks anyway?

Whats the red for?

There is no such thing as 3 or more reps will put on size? Where's the scientific evidence in that? That whole 3-5 reps for strength, 8-10 reps for size and 15+ reps for endurance is a long proven myth. I think ANYBODY eating properly will be able to change their body composition.

The 10-15 lbs weightloss is called a PSMF diet. I don't want to cluster fuck it and put it down but it's on Lyle's forum. You can check it out. It is mostly fat though...haven't you heard of Lyle McDonald? UD 2.0? Body Recomposition? IF Diet? Any of this ring any bells?

I don't want to lose 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks but if I ever wanted to I could. It was just an example. I don't want to lose any weight and I agree with you: doing that while awesome in the short run would fuck my lifts up more than anything and it is NOT the way I want to do it. I am doing a slow body recomp and thats my own goal. I'm just saying that losing 10-15 lbs in 2 weeks is possible if done right and Lyle has listed that in his many books.

 

[Tblock1]

Have you read on these guys? Coz I have and they're largely endurance based but even so, they're not taught to be the jack of all trades but the MASTER of everything they do. Especially the rangers and the green berets. They're taught to govern a city, motivate troops and basically be as close to God as possible.

So, thats exactly what my point is: if you know what these are expected to do you must make it your foremost priority to do what they do better than anyone else. If Deadlifts (for example) aren't they're major focus, then don't make them yours. Since their curriculum is so specialized and specific to certain movements (from my readings), try to do EXACTLY what they want and keep other lifts as your own.

Yeah honestly I talked to a bunch of rangers and they said keep the lifting to a minimum you don't want to get too big and strong. All you need for rangers is running, rucking, pushups, situps, pullpus, and a little swimming. I could literally just do that and be 6 foot 150 and be fine for rangers, but I have my own goals in regard to strength that are seperate, so I am trying to keep that in balance. BTW, Green berets are the guys who work with the local populace and all that, they are like teacher/soldiers. Rangers work in platoon size groups and do the real door kicking. But yeah all you need to be able to do is ruck a long ways, do some shooting, then ruck back.

 

[Andalite]

Yeah honestly I talked to a bunch of rangers and they said keep the lifting to a minimum you don't want to get too big and strong. All you need for rangers is running, rucking, pushups, situps, pullpus, and a little swimming. I could literally just do that and be 6 foot 150 and be fine for rangers, but I have my own goals in regard to strength that are seperate, so I am trying to keep that in balance. BTW, Green berets are the guys who work with the local populace and all that, they are like teacher/soldiers. Rangers work in platoon size groups and do the real door kicking. But yeah all you need to be able to do is ruck a long ways, do some shooting, then ruck back.

EXACTLY. Thats why I was so insistent on goals. So you can keep your size/strength goals in priority but you will always have to keep them second to the special ops' goals, you know? Thats a drawback but thats fine.

 

[Tblock1]

EXACTLY. Thats why I was so insistent on goals. So you can keep your size/strength goals in priority but you will always have to keep them second to the special ops' goals, you know? Thats a drawback but thats fine.

Yeah that is what I am doing now, I have been doing circuits with running, pushups, the situps, and I love it because it keeps your heart rate super elevated and I puked the first time but it is WAY funner than just straight running.

BTW, I was going to do deadlifts full intensity today, but I decided to just take the rest of the week off, tomorrow I'm going to be working on my survival shelter with a friend and staying there, adn that takes a ton of energy. Also my right ring finger is strained a little at the tendon so I don't want to make it worse.

 

[Dogfox]

I wasn't really talking to you but thats fine...you must think this journal is your own.



1.) You're a beginner. You're meant to PR every workout. It's nothing special.

2.) Everything you described regarding your training shows all your exercises moving towards performance. Your assistance exercises are meant to increase one of the big 3 you've selected. Therefore, how exactly does ANY of this seem like you're doing something size/hypertrophy based?



Well thats fine. It just means the fat you put on with the muscle you put on maintained a BF% ratio. Size has very little to do with your training but more so to do with your diet. It's not your routine which deserves an applause of this feat but your diet.



1.) It is not impossible at all. Go over to Lyle McDonald's forum and you'll see that happening all the time.

2.) Did I ever say you can only do one thing?

Strength training is strength training. Hypertrophy depends largely on your diet. However, if you approach your lifting with the perspective of strength training while wanting hypertrophy you'll be in conundrum because you won't be able to decide how to progress. That is what all this depends on: progress. And therefore, if you think of training for strength while eating correctly, you can achieve all your goals.

I don't get this about you...Why does everyone need to do what you are doing? You're just won a British Record in the bench press division. While thats awesome that you compete having a 205 lbs bench in a country like the US which is MUCH more competitive in PL'ing is nothing for someone in your weightclass. Hell, I can Deadlift close to 500 lbs and if I intend on winning a meet I need it to be close to 600 lbs and this is all in the 198 lbs division.

Here's my issue:

You think everyone needs to do what you do. If you do dips it means everyone needs to do them. If you do only one set per week it means everyone needs to do the same. If you gain size and strength then everyone must also be doing the same thing. If you put on muscle, so should everyone else.

I help Josh with his Deadlifts which have been progressing very well. I can't see the quality of his form because he doesn't record his lifts but by his description it seems okay. However, do I make Josh do what I do on Deadlifts? Fuck no. He's training at his level and I am at mine. I don't need to enforce my views by making others do what I do. I don't care about size because I can manipulate my weight with a diet and even drop 10-15 lbs in a couple of weeks through sheer hard dieting (you'll have to have read or bought Lyle McDonald and Leigh Peele's books to know what I'm talking about). Do I go and shove this view down Trevor's throat? No. My question was directed specifically to him because if you know exactly what you want you can better try to get it. Why be the jack of all trades and the master of none?

Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed or are you always like this?
Good job talking down to a teen andalite and belittling his accomplishments.

Personally I think the fact he PR's most workouts to be quite an acheivement. Ask any 15 year old about thier diet and training and not many would come close to his. And the comment about his bench was pretty uncalled for. Ive seen your workout log and dont ask why you look like a regular office guy. Because that would be pretty rude of me. Much like you were.

Also this usa and uk strength thing is BS, Andy Bolton? im pretty sure the UK records would be similar to that of US records. But of course the US is going to be slightly dominate as there are plenty more people involved in the sport and much less intertia to use gear. And before you question this. I live in the uk and us, train with brits and americans.