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all about SARMS/my journal

RADAR

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today we will be discussing SARMS (selective Androgen Receptor Modulators)

The use of high quality reagents and purified solvents, the monitoring of synthetic steps, etc. are all crucial to a quality synthesis. While every effort is made to ensure that individual syntheses proceed as efficiently as possible, the final products are always subjected to a number of quality control procedures appropriate to the grade of The Product being supplied. this is what makes or breaks a product.
Alto Sarms is not a Peptide, The mechanism in which it work is similar.
Lets discuss peptides.
peptides usually come in 5mg, 10mg, 25mg, 50mg and 100mg at one of two purity levels 80% to 90%, with absolute values dependent upon the number of amino acid residues, sequence complexity and overall amino acid composition.

Modified and Complex Peptides
Now These peptides are normally supplied with free N-terminal amino and C-terminal acid groups* but modifications, such as N-terminal acetylation or C-terminal amidation, since genuine suppliers can tweak peptides to suit a persons needs
by the incorporation of D-amino acids,or 'unnatural' amino acids such as b-alanine, diiodotyrosine, ornithine, hydroxyproline, b-naphthylalanine, statines.



peptides work thru what is called Maps-an alternative carrier for peptides this provides the peptide the necessaty coupling for the coupling of proteins,such approach has the advantage eleminating protein derived antibodies
Certain peptedes like IGF and LongIGF work differently Via thru different nuerotransmitters so results are overly enhanced.


Theres alot more i will maybe add later

in a few days i will be testing a Compound made by our forum sponsor "SARMS SEARCH"
this will be my journal thread so stay tuned.

RADAR
 
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Nice! Def Sub'd & looking forward to seeing your results

Are you gonna also do a blood test after or?
 
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I doubt i'll do any bloodwork ,i'm too busy here at christmas time.

RADAR
 
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I've heard mixed reviews on the SARMS,seems that some have vision abnormality's with the use of SARMS.
 
good luck radar we're all waiting for ur feedback , thx for sharing ur experience with us
 
BTW just thought i would mention this is the first SARMS that has came out that is oral,so its gonna be pretty interesting to see what happens.

RADAR
 
I did a cycle in Jan/feb and post cycle I lost a lot of size, most in fact. I did another cycle early summer, gained all the size back and then some, this time I used s4 in my post cycle and was amazed that I only lost the water weight from the test- it dropped overnight after test cleared my system. After that I didn't lose any muscle and even gained strength weeks after my cycle! I was only using 50 mg per day, 5 days per week. Now s4 is part of my pct/bridge. In fact, I believe that using s4 between my last and current cycle helped me maintain size so that I was able to hit 250 lbs for the first time ever this last cycle (night time weight after a meal :) ). What I'm saying is I still made gains on cycle after using s4 straight through.
 
I did a cycle in Jan/feb and post cycle I lost a lot of size, most in fact. I did another cycle early summer, gained all the size back and then some, this time I used s4 in my post cycle and was amazed that I only lost the water weight from the test- it dropped overnight after test cleared my system. After that I didn't lose any muscle and even gained strength weeks after my cycle! I was only using 50 mg per day, 5 days per week. Now s4 is part of my pct/bridge. In fact, I believe that using s4 between my last and current cycle helped me maintain size so that I was able to hit 250 lbs for the first time ever this last cycle (night time weight after a meal :) ). What I'm saying is I still made gains on cycle after using s4 straight through.

Nice....Yeah people are loving it for PCT. Anthony Roberts is saying that he recommends it in ALL PCTs now.

5 om 2 off is something that i have played with as well.
 
Any vision sides at 50mg and 5on/2off?

Nope, but I didn't have major vision troubles at 75-100 mg per day either. I think some people are more prone than others. When I tried a higher dose at another time I had a bit of trouble transitioning from bright sunny day to inside, eyes adjusted slower. But, at 50 mg per day I even mixed it with Clomid, which is supposed to be a no no for vision. But, still, no problems. Clomid was around 50 mg per day average too.
 
Radar, good stuff man! This stuff interests me big time! I'll be lookin forward to your journal here. When do u start this??
 
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Radar, good stuff man! This stuff interests me big time! I'll be lookin forward to your journal here. When do u start this??

Hopefully next week,i'll post up the day i get it!



RADAR
 
Today i just Recieved my sarms

Current stats
5' 8"
201lbs
12% bf (calipers)

Started with 30mg dosage......OMG!!!! This has got to be the worst stuff i've ever put in my mouth,gonna get a N2 protein bar and a coke to see if that kills the taste, tomorrow i will plan on having some OJ in my mouth when i take the next dosage.


RADAR
 
Today i just Recieved my sarms

Current stats
5' 8"
201lbs
12% bf (calipers)

Started with 30mg dosage......OMG!!!! This has got to be the worst stuff i've ever put in my mouth,gonna get a N2 protein bar and a coke to see if that kills the taste, tomorrow i will plan on having some OJ in my mouth when i take the next dosage.


RADAR


lol...soon you will look forward to the taste.:chomp:

I use 50mgs ed and I cant seem to get sore from workout...recovery time is amazing.

Looking forward to the journal.

How was shipping time?
 
lol...soon you will look forward to the taste.:chomp:

I use 50mgs ed and I cant seem to get sore from workout...recovery time is amazing.

Looking forward to the journal.

How was shipping time?


It was 3 days ,not bad.
RADAR
 
Jack daniels should kill that taste
RADAR

Ok ,i'm gonna get brave now another 25mg 10:30pm
Thats going to be my limit for a few days.So far nothing but that Gawd awful taste.



RADAR
 
capsulles are non existence here,besides the taste wasn't as bad as the first one,

Ok today upon waking,i looked in the mirror and i have a pump,kinna like the one right after you take a test inj.
not training yet...gonna give this 3 more days then i will ,first i want to see if i get relief on the joints that have been bothering me.

RADAR
 
not training yet...gonna give this 3 more days then i will ,first i want to see if i get relief on the joints that have been bothering me.
RADAR

4 days in and some of my nagging joint pains are gone. Speficilly, my wrists and knees feel very good for a change.

So far, pretty amazing stuff!
 
4 days in and some of my nagging joint pains are gone. Speficilly, my wrists and knees feel very good for a change.

So far, pretty amazing stuff!

That will be a godsend to stop all these nagging joints.

RADAR
 
How long are people running this? I mean if the sides are in check...

Well it's a 30ML bottle with 100mg/ml it will last awhile.
I'm gonna limit mine to 8 maybe 10 weeks max.


RADAR
 
Well it's a 30ML bottle with 100mg/ml it will last awhile.
I'm gonna limit mine to 8 maybe 10 weeks max.


RADAR

ya mine at 50mg for the first 2 weeks and 80-100mg for the next 3-4 should last awhile. I was going to come off for 5 days once the sides get bad to let them clear but was wondering what about running it for a total of 12 weeks at 50mg with just the cycle off to clear sides?? That way if be running it with my need2 modified oral cutter stack in feb (only three weeks of beast at 20mg Ed) and then during my pct in March... I love the fact that it's cleared up my joint pain..
 
Just took my dose for the day 50mgs all at once the taste isn't so bad once getting used to.
If i experience any sides i may go back to breaking this into to doses per day. We shall see.

RADAR
 
An update, last night i felt my spine was stretching,today i will start keeping a close eye on my height
 
An update, last night i felt my spine was stretching,today i will start keeping a close eye on my height

that's weird , can sarms grow bones like hgh , if that so u should notice it in ur forearms and cheek bones too.
 
lol... I agree, it should not have any direct skeletal effects. It just feels similiar to AAS's in healing connective tissue.
 
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No, I have been using sarms for the last year and this was never an issue. I think he was kidding.

I wish I I could grow an inch or so!


Maybe i should repphrase that ,the stretching i felt was more like a healing of connective tissue. so far I feel good ,some extra hardness,went to the movies to see AVATAR in 3D it was hard to concentrate because i had a party in my pants.
 
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lol so your enjoying sarm s-4 so far man??

what is the degree of extra muscle hardness so far, compared to test, like if test is 100 and natty is 0 what would you rate it?? lol i make things so complicated sometimes :artist:

gonna be a hard call it feels like a pump from a shot of test however the hardness could be from no bloat.

RADAR
 
Maybe i should repphrase that ,the stretching i felt was more like a healing of connective tissue. so far I feel good ,some extra hardness,went to the movies to see AVATAR in 3D it was hard to concentrate because i had a party in my pants.


yeah it hardens me up pretty good to, enjoying the log.
 
yeah it hardens me up pretty good to, enjoying the log.

Thanks! I am getting used to the taste but to get it outta my mouth i grab an ice cube to slowly let it wash out.so far no change in height.
 
I'm actually a bit under 7' even right now. Started out at 6'2". Yes, sarms does make you grow taller!






































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just kidding.
 
Another update
I'm staying at 50mgs so far no reported problems with vision,but get this One of the sides is my hearing has improved
I used to watch tv setting on 90% volume thru my computer speakers,now most of the time i have to set it on 60% because it's too loud.
this occurred 2 days ago i thought it was just the channel,but i am honestly hearing better, Extremely pleased with this so far not working out yet but my muscles are growing.Next week i will start back training but in the meantime i am curious where this is going.

RADAR

RADAR
 
wow that would be awesome... Keep us posted man.. SARMS are looking more & more attractive the more I read... I don't think I'd wanna do more than 50MG though
 
That actualy scares the hell out of me, looks like sarms has a strong influence on the senses, sight, hearing, hope u can still smell tomorrow lol :p
 
i'll definitely need some improvement for my hearing i'm partially deaf and have the worst genetics for joints can't wait to try it.
 
i'll definitely need some improvement for my hearing i'm partially deaf and have the worst genetics for joints can't wait to try it.

I hear you on that, I did something stupid when i was a toddler ,we had these indian feather bonnets i took a feather and stuck it in my left ear that was painful amd the ringing i couldn't hear for the ringing, over the years it subsided,but my hearing never was the same, i like playing things loud.the ringing is slight now the bone in the Ear called "the hammer" since this connects to skeletal tissue seems to have some effect on my hearing, My taste,touching, eyesight ,smell all normal.


It is definetely worth trying ,you can alway start low like i did, because the sides scared the hell outta me, but i believe thats irrelevent i'm running 50 ED and no vision problems.

RADAR
 
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I have only heard about vision issues. I think the eyes do have androgen receptors but I also suspect the solution used to suspend it in liquid might be the cause.
 
at 100mgs you get the vision issues, at 50mg....no sides.

I have done the 100mg, wasnt that bad when I added the bilberry supp.

Well today i upped it to 70mgs,today i heard the cell phone in the kitchen,the first time i have ever heard it from where i sit in the living room.70 will be my limit .

RADAR
 
Well today i upped it to 70mgs,today i heard the cell phone in the kitchen,the first time i have ever heard it from where i sit in the living room.70 will be my limit .

RADAR


I haven't noticed a hearing improvement, I just am fully recovered everyday after a workout, strong as a bull and want to fuck like a rabit. I stay lean even when Im not super careful with my diet. That being said, i dont eat shitting foods. But sometime I stray...lol
 
Another update
I'm staying at 50mgs so far no reported problems with vision,but get this One of the sides is my hearing has improved
I used to watch tv setting on 90% volume thru my computer speakers,now most of the time i have to set it on 60% because it's too loud.
this occurred 2 days ago i thought it was just the channel,but i am honestly hearing better, Extremely pleased with this so far not working out yet but my muscles are growing.Next week i will start back training but in the meantime i am curious where this is going.

RADAR

RADAR
Maybe your hearing improved because your eyesight got worse. that happens, ya know. :)
 
Time for another update,a few days back i upped the dosage to 70mgs,that night i noticed light appeared a tad yellow my regular vision was not affected,so its back to 50mgs from here on out, the only other thing is the acne on my back which was really bad and nothing seemed to work is actually going away.so far the benefits outweigh the risks.


RADAR
 
at 100mgs you get the vision issues, at 50mg....no sides.

I have done the 100mg, wasnt that bad when I added the bilberry supp.


I'm seeing vision sides and looking at the world through a yellow tint at 50mg a day, split into 2 doses(Though realistically 50-70mg/day using the dropper). However, that could be because I'm legally blind in one eye.
It's not having any effect on my work schedule or daily activites so I've been continuing the dosage.

Perhaps I should try the bilberry sup.
 
lights look Pretty damn yelllow to me at night and I've lost some bit night vison after 4 weeks on at 80mg Ed (two doses), the sides are mild enough that I can still get around just fine at night. But enough that headlights look yellow and when I'm in a room with very little light I can't see a damn thing (normally I have better then avg night vision).

No inceased sex drive really but i have good recovery and a steady increse in my lifts since I've been on the s4.

Good log Radar. How long do you plan on running it?
 
lights look Pretty damn yelllow to me at night and I've lost some bit night vison after 4 weeks on at 80mg Ed (two doses), the sides are mild enough that I can still get around just fine at night. But enough that headlights look yellow and when I'm in a room with very little light I can't see a damn thing (normally I have better then avg night vision).

No inceased sex drive really but i have good recovery and a steady increse in my lifts since I've been on the s4.

Good log Radar. How long do you plan on running it?

Probably about 6 weeks,not sure yet,gonna start training next week using just sarms-4 we shall see.


BTW please use caution with this stuff as i feel 80 is too much.
theres a fine line on this.


RADAR
 
Probably about 6 weeks,not sure yet,gonna start training next week using just sarms-4 we shall see.


BTW please use caution with this stuff as i feel 80 is too much.
theres a fine line on this.


RADAR

I agree, I like to keep it around 60mgs.
 
The vision sides scare me a bit, because my vision has gotten progressively worse with age (since about 40). I don't want to lose or blur my vision any more than I have to.
 
The vision sides scare me a bit, because my vision has gotten progressively worse with age (since about 40). I don't want to lose or blur my vision any more than I have to.

I have Glaucoma so i am erring on the side of caution,so far no eye sight problems, however I was feeling abit Paranoid Friday,so I took sat & sun off,Sex drive has slowed back to normal so far i feel great!Will start back up mon. if this works as planned i may do a 5 on 2 off day routine.

RADAR
 
I have Glaucoma so i am erring on the side of caution,so far no eye sight problems, however I was feeling abit Paranoid Friday,so I took sat & sun off,Sex drive has slowed back to normal so far i feel great!Will start back up mon. if this works as planned i may do a 5 on 2 off day routine.

RADAR


I have done the 5 on 2 off rotine as well. I think its a good idea.
 
Any results on the scale? Id say its a complete waste if no ones claiming atleast 5 lbs...
 
I'm up 4.5 lbs with no change in diet
this week i start training so we will see where this goes


RADAR
 
Any results on the scale? Id say its a complete waste if no ones claiming atleast 5 lbs...


You will put on a few pounds,but its more about changing body composition. I have ran anavar and growth and didnt put on alot of weight, but I wouldnt cal them a waiste. Also, the benifits from using the sarms in a PCT setting seem like it a "must have".
 
hey Radar do u think if sarms proves not to be suppressive do u think we can use it for life???
 
OK, time for the stupid question of the day:


It sounds like 50 mg is the sweet spot and I would prefer to break into two doses of 25 mg. So if it comes in a 30 ml bottle how do you get accurate measurements??

I am getting ready to order some and that is my only question?????

Dave
 
You will put on a few pounds,but its more about changing body composition. I have ran anavar and growth and didnt put on alot of weight, but I wouldnt cal them a waiste. Also, the benifits from using the sarms in a PCT setting seem like it a "must have".

I think its a great addition to PCT

RADAR
 
OK, time for the stupid question of the day:


It sounds like 50 mg is the sweet spot and I would prefer to break into two doses of 25 mg. So if it comes in a 30 ml bottle how do you get accurate measurements??

I am getting ready to order some and that is my only question?????

Dave

use insulin needles , they come in 100 iu = 1ml so do the math
 
hey Radar do u think if sarms proves not to be suppressive do u think we can use it for life???

Bear in mind this has not been tested on humans,so i don't think its a good idea to run for extended lengths just yet.
I don't believe it is the least bit suppressive.
RADAR
 
OK, time for the stupid question of the day:


It sounds like 50 mg is the sweet spot and I would prefer to break into two doses of 25 mg. So if it comes in a 30 ml bottle how do you get accurate measurements??

I am getting ready to order some and that is my only question?????

Dave

Use a slin pin of you want accuracy, the dropper is marked 100 and 50 so just use 1/2 each time.

RADAR
 
Bear in mind this has not been tested on humans,so i don't think its a good idea to run for extended lengths just yet.
I don't believe it is the least bit suppressive.
RADAR

well ur right we need more tests on this thing, but u think could it be used let's say for a 3 months bridge between cycles?
 
Time for another update, for reasons that couldn't be helped ,i didn't get to train any yet,but my bodys composition is changing in the mirror i look like i work out, pumps are good,and my acne continues to improve ,since starting i have had no new outbreaks.
I will finally be able this summer to take my shirt off!

Conclusion-this stuff is amazing!

RADAR
 
Any eye dryness? At 5 weeks in and currenty 60-70mg Ed I'm getting enough eye dryness (one of the reported sides) to keep me from wearing my contacts (they feel lumpy when my eyes are dry), but it's not bad enough for me to really even notice with the contacts out.

Love the log Radar. I agree 100% the stuff works! I've had slow but very steady week to week gains since I started on this. Deff fuller but leaner.

Thanks,
Drew
 
Any eye dryness? At 5 weeks in and currenty 60-70mg Ed I'm getting enough eye dryness (one of the reported sides) to keep me from wearing my contacts (they feel lumpy when my eyes are dry), but it's not bad enough for me to really even notice with the contacts out.

Love the log Radar. I agree 100% the stuff works! I've had slow but very steady week to week gains since I started on this. Deff fuller but leaner.

Thanks,
Drew

No eye problems,but i'm erring on the side of caution since i have glaucome in my left eye,but nope! no dryness or vision problem unless i go over the 50 mark.

I will start training next week i'm getting motivated to see what this does when i start putting a load on my muscles.
RADAR
 
No eye problems,but i'm erring on the side of caution since i have glaucome in my left eye,but nope! no dryness or vision problem unless i go over the 50 mark.

I will start training next week i'm getting motivated to see what this does when i start putting a load on my muscles.
RADAR

Isn't it wierd how SARMS-S4 gives your muscles that on-cycle look and feel but doesn't give your head that "I'm going to kill this shit" feeling for the gym?

Watch what happens when you start training. You won't go into the gym wanting to kill the weight, but you'll lift with on-cycle strength.
 
Isn't it wierd how SARMS-S4 gives your muscles that on-cycle look and feel but doesn't give your head that "I'm going to kill this shit" feeling for the gym?

Watch what happens when you start training. You won't go into the gym wanting to kill the weight, but you'll lift with on-cycle strength.

Yeah! thats the way i am now ,I have that "off cycle" feeling, can't wait until monday

RADAR
 
Just got in and Man my muscles are sooooo tight it feels like i have been taking Dbol without the water weight but the fullness is there, I believe this would be excellent for those competeing who come in dry and flat sarms will take care of that.

So far my results

1- Extreme muscle fullness ( I'm having trouble bending my arms due to the fullness in my biceps)

2- Acne almost completely gone (no new out breaks)

3- Gaining with no change in diet (up 9 lbs now) almost 3/4 inches on my arms

4- I am simply loving this stuff after training and looking in the mirror i look like i have been at least 2 months into a cycle


RADAR
 
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Nice journal here mate I been reading ever update and like what I here , I was hanging for you to start training again to see how it sat for you and sounds like it's pumping you up nice , there's alot of s4 threads going but to us on the latter side of life ;) I'm very interested in your reports .
It will be march when I start and I will be hoping for the same .
Again great thread mate thanks for your efforts in keeping ef up to date

Brad.
 
Nice journal here mate I been reading ever update and like what I here , I was hanging for you to start training again to see how it sat for you and sounds like it's pumping you up nice , there's alot of s4 threads going but to us on the latter side of life ;) I'm very interested in your reports .
It will be march when I start and I will be hoping for the same .
Again great thread mate thanks for your efforts in keeping ef up to date

Brad.

Thanks My friend, just remember not to go overboard ,more is not better,i take sat & sun off and monday it seem like my body is just waiting for me to feed it some sarms,it just keeps getting better.

RADAR
 
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