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Gains from 1000 mg test a week??
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sonicwaste
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Are you just taking test alone?
How long have you been on?
Have you constantly increased your macros, especially protein? Have you increased your calories?
Doubling test doesn't mean you will double your gains. I'd first start off adding proviron or unleashed and lowering SHBG. Or using shorter esters like prop or better yet suspension.
Or adding dbol, beastdrol, dieselbolan.
There are many things you can do before thinking of upping test doses to the 1g mark.
How long have you been on?
Have you constantly increased your macros, especially protein? Have you increased your calories?
Doubling test doesn't mean you will double your gains. I'd first start off adding proviron or unleashed and lowering SHBG. Or using shorter esters like prop or better yet suspension.
Or adding dbol, beastdrol, dieselbolan.
There are many things you can do before thinking of upping test doses to the 1g mark.
perryscoon
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I agree. 500mg wasn't doing shit for either so I bumped it up to 750. Starting to gain weight now.
ok, i have been using for a long time now, okay sorry, let me rephrase, 500 was doing something, but nothing in comparison to what it used to do, and i was running deca with this cycle but had to drop so my solution was to up the test dose to increase gains, so this cycle was still worthwhile. I have run many many compounds before, yes to you sonic waste. I used some suspension for a kickstart, i just want the most out of this cycle. thank you for your replies.
dimishing returns are where you are at. a bump in dose wont do too much. calorie bump and dose bump will help somewhat. might be time to come off for a little while to give the body a rest and then go again in a few months.
enacer420nj
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perryscoon
New member
If your test was from the same source you got your "primo" I dont doubt that
Well I stay on 250mg of test all the time so bumping it up to 500mg didn't do much. I'm pretty sure I was just allergic to whatever oil he used for that primo. Everything I've ever gotten from my source has been great besides that.
I myself would probably never get more than 600mg test E weekly, or 250mg sust EOD, which would eventually build up to 750mg wk. With a mix of prop and E I was up to 1100mg wk last cycle for a few weeks. All i noticed was CNS overload, a few palpitations, and feeling kinda shitty.
jacshelb
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If this is Big A from another board, judging by your experiences, I can understand why 500 mg might not pack as much punch- no disrespect, just saying that after a person has been in the game a long time full force, it can get there. Not that I'm speaking from experience, it just stands to reason. Sounds like you are on track for what you need at the moment for sure though. All the best!
CajunSaint
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+1
Burpees
New member
It's not Big A from PM, he's an arrogant SOB and wouldn't come over here to ask for advice from us when he has pro's of today and the old on his personal board.
I'm with Hayez, at 1000mg Test E and 0.25mg Arimidex e3d for me I stay pretty damn dry. Granted 700mg of Tren was in the mix.
It's not Big A from PM, he's an arrogant SOB and wouldn't come over here to ask for advice from us when he has pro's of today and the old on his personal board.
I'm with Hayez, at 1000mg Test E and 0.25mg Arimidex e3d for me I stay pretty damn dry. Granted 700mg of Tren was in the mix.
Holy fuck dude, you're doing 1700 mgs of gear a week? I guarantee you can get comparable results from less than half that much if you trained and supplemented right.
It's not Big A from PM, he's an arrogant SOB and wouldn't come over here to ask for advice from us when he has pro's of today and the old on his personal board.
I'm with Hayez, at 1000mg Test E and 0.25mg Arimidex e3d for me I stay pretty damn dry. Granted 700mg of Tren was in the mix.
with that much gear i hope thats an old avatar pic
Burpees
New member
I started my last cycle at 500mg Test E and 300mg Tren Ace for two months, another two months at 750mg Test E and 500mg Tren A, then I made it up to 1000mg Test E and 700mg Tren Ace for the last two months of the cycle. PCT was a bitch but I guess im sorta fully recovered. Not fully but I dont think I was good to go from before the cycle..
I maintain, you're doing something wrong. It isn't like you're a 260 pound pro with 6% bp and need to get to 280lbs with 5% bf. You look fine, but I've known hundreds of guys who are natty who look just as good and better. In my avatar pic I was on 20 mgs of dbol a day and 200 mgs of Primo a week. And my genetics suck.
If you need that much to see progress, you're just hurting yourself in the process. It's not just about PCT. That dosage is damaging to your health. And for what? To look like a guy who works out 3 times a week?
I'm not trying to diss you bro. But it's important for everyone to realize what they're doing. You're putting jet fuel in a lawn mower. You do not need that much to obtain what you've obtained if you train and supplement correctly.
pitbullrocco
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just eat more. and then eat more. when you think you've eaten enough... eat more. hello peanut butter, good to see you again. wanna dance?
Burpees
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the amount of gear has nothing to do with it. the dosages had to go up for me to keep making progress since I was on 6 months.
old as in post cycle, 5'11 @ 225lbs - started my cycle at 190 coming off a 9 months cut from 310lbs. that pic is almost a 8 months old. I haven't cycled again..
congrats on the weight loss!
enacer420nj
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lol true
Burpees
New member
I agree with you 1000%. First cycle, I was overzealous and excited and quite honestly felt like a king on my 1700mg a week
... a lot of pros can't even run 300mg of ace a week and feel like shit run over twice. Were al different and have different goals and starting points.I won't be doing such high dosages again though.
Burpees
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thanks bro..
PSMF, UD 2.0, and a few ideas from the V-Diet, some HIIT and I was well on my way..
1700 isnt that high of a doseI agree with you 1000%. First cycle, I was overzealous and excited and quite honestly felt like a king on my 1700mg a week
I won't be doing such high dosages again though.
think
600 test
400 deca
50mg dbol a day
thats a simple cycle and your not really much over that mg wise
good point. i guess the 700mg of tren is sticking out to me.
Compared to WHAT?
Burpees
New member
Nelson, didnt u squat dude? your arms are bigger than your legs in that pic!
I think the cycle with 700mg of tren is too much, apart from that these are not that extreme. Definatly agree with the other comments about eating more. I have used 500mg of test both to cut and to bulk, the difference was DIET. It really does account for 90% of results, regardless of what gear you are using....think of your health, bump up the cals, not the drugs.
700 mg tren is a very standard dose
i wouldnt just double it. run 750 first. or stay at 500 and add another compound.
perryscoon
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There is nothing wrong with that dose. Other than the tren being a little higher than most people take, its still nothing extreme.
Its funny how the guys that always say, "you don't need that much dude! just eat right and train right and you'll make the same gains at half that dose!" are always small...
Its funny how the guys that always say, "you don't need that much dude! just eat right and train right and you'll make the same gains at half that dose!" are always small...
You guys crack me up. A "standard" dose. Hilarious!
All the guys who suggest lower dosages are small? Dude, pros use less. You're bigger than all of them? It seems like the guys who use the MOST are the ones who look like they need to train harder.
And as far as Unit 2005's comment about my legs -- what can I say? I never had huge legs. Had rickets as a kid. Yet, I placed 5th at the NPC. What'd YOU place?
All the guys who suggest lower dosages are small? Dude, pros use less. You're bigger than all of them? It seems like the guys who use the MOST are the ones who look like they need to train harder.
And as far as Unit 2005's comment about my legs -- what can I say? I never had huge legs. Had rickets as a kid. Yet, I placed 5th at the NPC. What'd YOU place?
perryscoon
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Nelson I hear ya bro, but you can't tell me that guys like Jay Cutler and Ronnie are running 500mg of test a week. Come on now. To reach those massive levels of muscle you have to take "extreme" doses of gear and thats all there is to it. And don't even try to say, oh they have great genetics and train hard. The best genes in the world won't make you look like that on low doses of gear I don't care how hard you train.
And no, I am not a high dose junkie either. I run 750mg of test MAX and thats pretty rare. I'm just sayin.
And no, I am not a high dose junkie either. I run 750mg of test MAX and thats pretty rare. I'm just sayin.
I appreciate and commend the fact that you realized it was too much and you lowered your dosage. Its smart. But you're still off base on some things.
First of all, what pros take is entirely irrelevant. They take much more than they need because they're fucking monsters and need that much and also because they can't take the chance of losing out to the next guy. That has NOTHING to do with the way any of us run a cycle.
Secondly, I have worked with many pros. I've always been very good at getting guys to open up. And although some of them are crazy, and some of them may not admit to the dosages they take, I think I've gotten a pretty good perspective over-all. Almost all of them admit, once you go too far past 1000mgs, it doesn't make much of a difference. And the old timers did FAR FAR less, I don't give a fuck what anybody else claims. Half of these fucktards on message boards don't know shit. I'm telling you. Until the late 80's guys were using 10 mgs of dabol a day and 200 mgs of deca for 6 weeks STANDARD.
I had a client ask me what I took based on a B&W photo he saw of me. He couldn't believe that up until the point I took that pic I never touched a steroid in my life. And I didn't start out as an ex high school star athlete. I was a scrawny little guy. Training. Diet. Supplments.
Everyone MUST stop thinking the answer is more gear. People refuse to believe Steve Reeves was natural. I can't beieve people think he was juiced. He wasn;t big. He wasn't dense. He wasn't vascular. He had none of the attributes that steroids bring. He had a beutifully muscualr body with perfect aesthetics. STEROIDS DON'T GIVE YOU THAT! That's genetics and training!
It's bad enough that guys risk their health to look amazing. Risking your health to look "so-so" is retarded.
Nothing personal bro. But a lot of people, including kid,s read these boards. This isn't a subject where it's just a difference of opinion. It's a fundamental fact. Saying there's nothing wrong with superphysiological dosages is just not so. And it also shows there's a big piece of the puzzle missing. Nobody knows how to train anymore.
I hate to sound like a geezer but it's shit like this that makes me miss the old days.
ive yet to meet a monster that hasnt done extreme doses to get to wehre they are...once there they may back down because they only have to maintain..but the road there wasnt on 500 test 400 eq and 30mg dbol...thats just foolish
Nobody here is a monster and never will be, so what's the point?
neither were most in the beginning..some people with steroids become beasts..others its a waste of time
But it's never just because of the steroids. So again, what's the point?
It's like giving a 3 year old a book on quantum physics hoping it'll make him smarter than everyone else faster.
Hell, look like Arnold on his dosages. Then if that isn't big enough for you, use 2 grams a week.
Hell, I see guys on a gram a week who barely look like they work out. If they took 3 grams you think they'd look much better? Something is very, very wrong with that.
There is no call for any cheapshot insults man... Based on that contest pic, he made the most of his genetics and had more of the Frank Zane look. Certainly nothing wrong with that!!
Yeah, it's probably best if you bow out. I just felt it's important to let newbies know that not everything said by senior members on message boards is the best advice.
Titties win over arguments anytime. lol But personally, I wouldn't give any bitch a dime to pretend she liked me.
im only messing, not ment to offend. Guess the other guys had no legs either?? 
still kidding. As far as pros, believe me they use more than anything anyone has said in this thread. there are guys at my gym who use 10 sustanons a week, which is 2500mg of test. Rediculous i know, but they ARE monsters. guess its the price you have to pay to look like a freak....and thats what pros these days are. Put it down to genetics all you want but bodybuidling is just as much chemistry as it is training and diet these days. Sad really. 
still kidding. As far as pros, believe me they use more than anything anyone has said in this thread. there are guys at my gym who use 10 sustanons a week, which is 2500mg of test. Rediculous i know, but they ARE monsters. guess its the price you have to pay to look like a freak....and thats what pros these days are. Put it down to genetics all you want but bodybuidling is just as much chemistry as it is training and diet these days. Sad really.
Lol at bow out. I'm heading to ampitheater for tailgate then concert. No pay money for vagina. Bt I'm sure they will spend money on me by end of day
Darks rucker and rascall flatts should be a good time!
cant really compare average bbers to pros. in most cases the pro is just a more gifted athlete genetically. add alot of gear and off you go. the guys saying responsible doses are for those who train and dont compete or make a living off it. you can look really good on low dose cycles and still not wreak havoc on your body.
i think this is true. i really dont plan on taking more than a gram of total combined gear on any given cycle in the future. just dont think it will be necessary for what i want to achieve.
low dose test with an ai has been nothing short of excellent for me. i would love to do var and winstrol but i dont think fucking my cholesterol up like that is a good idea anymore. maybe primo or eq if the price is right. its all about minimizing sides for me now.
10 years ago i did eq only at 400mg/wk for 12 weeks and was very pleased with results. no sides that i knew of and didnt even use pct. i would stack eq with test this time but docs dont prescribe horse drugs sooooo...... lol
79steeler
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I would go ahead and run the gram a week of test if I was you. I did it before and made great gains. I also ran 600mgs/wk of NPP and jump started with Beastdrol the first four weeks. Could I have made the same gains off of 750mgs test a week? Probably, but like you I wanted to experiment and get it out of my system. So just do it. Train hard and eat like a beast.
Sides experianced from this cycle vs. a lesser test cycle zero differance. Didn't notice anymore water retention, zits, gyno, and I'm still alive.
I probably won't do it again, because I realize that it's food and training that probably made a bigger differance in my weight gain than the extra 250mgs of test.
I think the real magic happens when you bump your test to 2,000mgs/week or more. I will never be brave enough to try it, so I will never know.
It truly is genetics, Diet, and training that make you look like what you look like, gear adds an extra 20% or so in my opinion, maybe a little more for some and a little less for others.
Sides experianced from this cycle vs. a lesser test cycle zero differance. Didn't notice anymore water retention, zits, gyno, and I'm still alive.
I probably won't do it again, because I realize that it's food and training that probably made a bigger differance in my weight gain than the extra 250mgs of test.
I think the real magic happens when you bump your test to 2,000mgs/week or more. I will never be brave enough to try it, so I will never know.
It truly is genetics, Diet, and training that make you look like what you look like, gear adds an extra 20% or so in my opinion, maybe a little more for some and a little less for others.
upping the dosage means you have to up everything else. you have to have the right balance of everything involved. so if you up your gear and not food, training, water, rest ect. you will get verry little in the way of added gains. what you will always get is more risk of death.
now if you take a bigger dose of gear and add everything else accordingly you will see the added results and again the greater risk of death and all other less serous sides.
Agreed with normal dosage cycles, but when you start using crazy amounts training and diet dont account for as much....obviously you have to eat alot but you dont have to pay as much attention as if you are running a gym rat cycle compared to a pro bulker!
you dont think that running masive cycles vs. running mild cycles increases your chances of stroke, heart attack or any of the other ways steroids can ruin your body?
i didnt say 1 cycle will kill you. i didnt say 1000 cycles will kill you. it is a fact that steroids can cause these problems. the more you use the more you take the risk!!
i didnt say 1 cycle will kill you. i didnt say 1000 cycles will kill you. it is a fact that steroids can cause these problems. the more you use the more you take the risk!!
aquatic_glories
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Man , just dont go fucking crazy with dosages unless you really ARE earning money for this. I still wouldnt fuck my health even if I earned some. Random thoughts
totally out of respect here, i personally know at least 2 monsters in their 30s who have died of heart attacks at my current gym and the only drug they used was a shitload of aas. i was not close with these guys. i knew them through the gym only. from their friends explanations, they all seemed like normal joes with families. ok, maybe there were underlying causes, maybe. the two things each had in common was monsterific size and tons of aas.
another older monster had a heart attack and died but i know he was a coc user for a long time so in that case, i think the coc was the icing on that cake.
yep, mike matarazzo's family lives in my town... i think a quadruple bypass is getting aufully close to death... it was a traumatic event...
like i said on page 1... if 500 "aint doing shit"... somthing is very wrong...
informer112
Banned
Yeah exactly. Sounds like an impatient user to me. He was probably near the end of week one crying that it wasn't working.
perryscoon
New member
You're definition of "doing something" probably is much different than mine. YOU probably would have loved the results I was getting on 500mg. I however, thought they were lame and upped my dose accordingly. I'm no stranger to aas. I know when its time to up the dose.
Informer, im am not an impatient user and your comment was very inaccurate. I have used many AAS and been very successful.If you think i was crying by week one becasue it wasnt working you are sadly mistaken. I have plenty experience and have always wanted to try a gram and thought maybe this would be the time to try, to see what kinda gains it brings with a massive surplus of food and as always balls to wall training. I dont know where you get off with a comment like that.
gear63
Banned
what a fucking waste thats two very good 10 week cycles
mr.nitro
Banned
maybe 5 workouts in an entire 20 week cycle.
lol Im guessing he cared about the same regarding diet also
informer112
Banned
Guy sounds like a douche and an idiot who likes wasting that much money. Before I started deca (my first gear I ever did) I never worked out, much. Deca made me work every day and motivated to. You're friend must got fake gear or be a lazy dick.
Here's something I found the other while searching about pro cycles. This is a pre-contest cycle, so I'm sure a bulking phase would be much different. Doesn't do alot of test, but does about 2,000mg of different substances by the end. Kinda long, but interesting:
The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder
The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder
As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).
Week 14
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 13
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 12
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 11
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 10
200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 9
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 8
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
3 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 7
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
4 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 6
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*
Week 5
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*
Week 4
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 3
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 2
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg/day mesterolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
100 mg/day Testosterone suspension
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week
100 mg/day mesterolone
100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*
Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*
Week 14
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 13
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 12
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 11
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 10
200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 9
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 8
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
3 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 7
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
4 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 6
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*
Week 5
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*
Week 4
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 3
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 2
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg/day mesterolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
100 mg/day Testosterone suspension
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week
100 mg/day mesterolone
100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*
Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*
You guys that think you know what pros use are dillusional. You really think pros are gonna lay out there cycles for the public? Hey look at me I use steroids and abuse them to be a pro body builder!!!! Give me a break. You don turn into a freak off 2000 mg cycles.
Oh but Arnold only did dbol and primo blah blah , fuck that until them words come ou his mouth it's bullshit.
Oh but Arnold only did dbol and primo blah blah , fuck that until them words come ou his mouth it's bullshit.
True to an extent. But dude, I've worked with pros and most have been pretty
candid with me.
LET ME TELL EVERYBODY SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR!!!
Some of you go on and on about how the pros use so much. You really don't know what you're talking about. These guys aren't pros because they take more juice than everyone else. They're pros because they've got INSANE GENETICS. And the best of the best have a great affinity for acceptance of steroids.
I've had pros tell me they'll do up to 2 grams and felt the extra 1000mgs did nothing. It ws "insurence." That's STILL less than some wanker on a message board. And that's the guy who always squawks; Ah, the pros do more than I can afford. Or, (this one I love)... I can't believe Scott and Oliva and Draper only did 20 mgs of dball a day.
Yeah, because THEY'RE good. YOU suck.
Drugs add another 10% you can not get otherwise. But 10% of mediocre will still be pretty mediocre. 10% of magnificent will look ungodly.
Genetics, training, drugs. In that order. (Diet is important too but nobody ever became a champion by eating well).
I'll bet 75% of the guys on boards never trained a day in their life as hard as the old timers trained every day. Do THAT, and then bitch about not being able to make gains without a gram of gear.
So stop with this "OH I DON'T BELIEVE THAT"S ALL ARNOLD DID" bullshit. Because the fact of the matter is, you can do TEN grams a week, and you STILL won't look like Arnold. Or even a top 10 at a amateur contest. Not even close.
Dude relax...I'm delusional? I honestly really don't care that much who uses what and how much. The only persons' use I need to be focused on is my own. I'm just trying to be the best me I can. I just thought it was interesting.
I don't know if that's article is true or not, but you act like it's a secret! Anyone who is a pro bodybuilder or looks like that IS saying "Hey look at me I use steroids and abuse them!" LOL. I mean get real, dude, you think there is any doubt anywhere? If there was, they wouldn't have to have "Natural" shows.
Like I said earlier I have a friend who regularly uses a gram/week and quite often goes into the 2-3000mg/wk range. Honestly, he looks good, but he's not that big...at all. So, maybe it does have to do with genetics. I personally stay in the mild dosages myself, but I have decent genetics, and I get amazing results with it.
Burpees
New member
genetics plays a huge role.
drugs dosages play just as much of a role though.
If I were to show you what I looked like before my first cycle and what I looked like at the end, and what ive looked like this last year that ive been "natural" you would see how much dosages really do make a difference.. I think it goes as far as effect how much you'll retain.
I'm no expert and this is all based on what I've seen gear do for me. I agree with both Hayez and Nelson.. In the end what matter is that we all play safe, so we can continue to play - no matter what level were at.
Burpees
New member
The real jaw dropper is the pictures 6 months before I started my cycle, and then 6 months at the end of my cycle - so one year. Then from then to now.
No way would I have gone from 190 to 235 then back down to 215 lean naturally.. 1000mg of Test, 700mg of Tren, dost, adex, unleashed (6 caps a day), nolv, clomid, 500iu a week starting my 3rd month on, up to 1000iu a week my 5th month on until 4 weeks after my last shot, then began my Clomid/Nolv therapy.. I wont say I didnt have problems with libido, because I did and still seem to be affected by it.
I'm 220 now, I am not as lean, but I am stronger and bigger.
very true..without the genetics your not gonna come even close to looking like these people...
but even with the gentics these guys are still abusing aas with crazy cycles for years on end to get to where they are
thqat wasnt directed directly towardss you...it was just a general statement to everyone...over and over again you see posts of the pros use this that and thats it.. there is nobody that is going to lay out there real cycles and doses for people...most people that use lie about there doses..say they use less when there really useing more ...
informer112
Banned
Agreed, I once heard someone say Dorian Yates used anadrol before competitions and Ronnie Coleman only did test enanthate 500mg a week. Then someone replied saying he does a sustanon shot every hour. It's all bs and speculation.
Those bodybuilders have been cycling hard for years to get their results and to where they are at. Can't get there results out of 5 cycles.
mikmac
New member
If you go from 500 to 1000 and your not gaining you must not be eating right. Protien and carbs and you will gain. If you think you have hit a wall or plateued then the increase is justifyable but honestly you should try to add d-bol or maybe even tren if you think you can handle it.
Ezekiel
New member
hopefully you posted this before the taco bell avatar popped up!!! hahahahahah j/k thansk manlol... I'd be happy just looking like Hayez!
Ezekiel
New member
Oh that's how you got so big! lol
mr.nitro
Banned
he was just a lazy dick.their is just no way around it. I used the same gear and it works. he would eat like shit and take weeks off from the gym. total waste.
