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Given how many abortion doctors are killed (not that many)...

I've been waiting for something like that to happen. People will say that priests aren't directly "advocating" killing abortion doctors. What they do however is polarize the issue and rile people up "probably" knowing full well that there's bound to be some crazies listening who will interpret their words as some code for a holy crusade which invariably get's rationalized as the right to kill an abortion doctor. The pro life side NEVER addresses the "demand" for abortions, only the supply.

I for one cannot fucking wait for fire brand priests to start getting knocked off. The phelps family would be a super start if anyone was so inclined. Seriously, people need to start knocking off pro life people......it absolutely has to start happening. The whole "turn the other cheek" thing apparently doesn't work, cause abortion doctors continue to get shot at (this particular doctor had already been shot before in his life) and clinics continue to get bombed. It's time for an eye for an eye.
 
i'm shurrrrr the killer believes he was "doing the Laud's work". :rolleyes:
 
Abortion is sacrificing children to the idols of convenience and pleasure. Our current holocaust. Wanna kill me now?
 
There was a right way to stop Tiller and a wrong way. That was the worst of the wrong ways. His killer needs to go down hard.
 
Crocodome said:
Abortion is sacrificing children to the idols of convenience and pleasure. Our current holocaust. Wanna kill me now?
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I dunno. Are you a priest and/or a pedophile? I know. I know, the two are synonyms for each other and rather redundant, but I had to check.
 
mrplunkey said:
There was a right way to stop Tiller and a wrong way. That was the worst of the wrong ways. His killer needs to go down hard.
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Absolutely. I have no issue if they use other means (like take away his license or something else like that), but killing him? Especially from the turn the other cheek crowd? Hey, if we're all playing fair...

...btw, I missed you.
:heart:
 
EnderJE said:
Absolutely. I have no issue if they use other means (like take away his license or something else like that), but killing him? Especially from the turn the other cheek crowd? Hey, if we're all playing fair...

...btw, I missed you.
:heart:
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I missed you too. Does this mean we have to get all Pick3 on each other?

And killing him was some serously fucked-up stuff. The key here is to find, prosecute and timely execute his killer. Rest assured we're going to see this sensationalized over the next few months like this is something that happens every day instead of something that's happened four times (four times far too many) in the last 25 years.
 
mrplunkey said:
I missed you too. Does this mean we have to get all Pick3 on each other?

And killing him was some serously fucked-up stuff. The key here is to find, prosecute and timely execute his killer. Rest assured we're going to see this sensationalized over the next few months like this is something that happens every day instead of something that's happened four times (four times far too many) in the last 25 years.
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I know. I still remember Jake Kopp and Bernie S. At the time, it was near me.
 
Crocodome said:
Abortion is sacrificing children to the idols of convenience and pleasure. Our current holocaust. Wanna kill me now?
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every single abortion is simply one of trite inconvenience eh? would one of those acts of "convenience" be the endangerment of the mothers health? no no, you're right....it's pure black and white.

and equating abortion with the holocaust, wow......you're a special one aren't ya?
 
I finally saw this news story in Old Blighty.

The BBC also added that the USA has the highest level of anti-abortion violence in the world.

You lot are always the biggest and best at everything.
 
See What Abortion Looks Like

warning, not work safe.. does anyone have the stones to follow the link..

I'd suggest you not do it.. i've seen these things before and won't subject myself to it again..

so be fore warned..

So if you think it's ok.. then that's you.. when does the father of the child get the right to kill them?? I mean at what age?? lets say for 1 week when the kid is 14...
 
PICK3 said:
wtf???
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It was fewer keystrokes than typing: "Getting Zannied-up and drunk and then having buttsex in the back seat of a Prius only to find ourselves with an 'Anal Intimidator' brand dildo wedged up our ass the next morning".

I favor simplicity.
 
redsamurai said:
every single abortion is simply one of trite inconvenience eh? would one of those acts of "convenience" be the endangerment of the mothers health? no no, you're right....it's pure black and white.

and equating abortion with the holocaust, wow......you're a special one aren't ya?
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save your breath bro. what a fuckin retard that guy is lol

i can't imagine what the rest of his thought process/belief system consists of
 
when the child is inside the mother, it's part of her body.....it feeds of her, it is not self sustaining. I personally do not condone late term abortions except in cases where the health of the mother is an issue.....which is almost 90% of the cases of late term abortions. In any case, it's between a woman and her god.........that's why god gave men so much damn semen that we seem to have to vent practically everyday for the majority of our lives. We can father thousands of children if given the opportunity and it costs us NOTHING! Women lose 9 months of their lives, have their bodies turned upside down and can potentially die. They've earned the right to do dictate procreation, sorry.



SpyWizard said:
See What Abortion Looks Like

warning, not work safe.. does anyone have the stones to follow the link..

I'd suggest you not do it.. i've seen these things before and won't subject myself to it again..

so be fore warned..

So if you think it's ok.. then that's you.. when does the father of the child get the right to kill them?? I mean at what age?? lets say for 1 week when the kid is 14...
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SpyWizard said:
See What Abortion Looks Like

warning, not work safe.. does anyone have the stones to follow the link..

I'd suggest you not do it.. i've seen these things before and won't subject myself to it again..

so be fore warned..

So if you think it's ok.. then that's you.. when does the father of the child get the right to kill them?? I mean at what age?? lets say for 1 week when the kid is 14...
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I managed to make it through the gallery here:Abortion - Pro Life - Click Here to See What Abortion Looks Like
Very unnerving and gruesome to say the least. But still, I think anyone who is pro choice should see it.
 
Crocodome said:
It's pretty simple: God does not make mistakes when HE creates life (not men and women).
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shit here we go again.

I think since I was a little feller and started to get that sea man stuff I rekin I done kilt about 200 billion little babies by flushing them down the drain or in a sock.

I 'specially liked the capital he.
 
Crocodome said:
It's pretty simple: God does not make mistakes when HE creates life (not men and women).
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Really, why do large numbers of zygotes get aborted before the mother realizes she's prego? How about birth defects? How about the success of invitro for couples that couldn't conceive but for science...octo moron?

"God's will" doesn't cut it in the 21st century...
 
SpyWizard said:
See What Abortion Looks Like

warning, not work safe.. does anyone have the stones to follow the link..

I'd suggest you not do it.. i've seen these things before and won't subject myself to it again..

so be fore warned..

So if you think it's ok.. then that's you.. when does the father of the child get the right to kill them?? I mean at what age?? lets say for 1 week when the kid is 14...
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I viewed the images and honestly, didn't bother me one bit.

:whatever:

I've never had an abortion but if I felt that I wanted one, I would get one and I want that option SAFE for my daughters...

the ones that were reversed-abortioned.

I generally stay off abortion threads because they are so pointless and will say here what I have said one thousand times before, if someone is so damned anti-abortion then they need not have one.

Don't dare tell me what to do with MY body. Once a body has taken in ONE unwanted child and raised them to adulthood, they can sit in judgment of me. Until then they need to STFU.
 
Whatever. Some believe in God, some don't. I do. Want to pick on that? Why? Are you better than those who have other beliefs?

And yes, holocaust... look at the numbers. It's terrible when it is for convenience... or the "oops" factor. It's heartbreaking when it's medically necessary and the baby is already dead. But to take a life for a matter/choice of convenience is murder in my opinion and in my faith. That's all I'm gonna say... flame on, I don't care. BTW, the capitalizations are for respect where it is due. SO you CAN BITE ME.
 
does god have a penis? I mean it's a "HE" right? so he must be swinging some major pipeola right?

Or is it just that your mind has been simplistically compromised to accept the archaic paternalistic myths' of degenerate men?


hmmmmm..............



Crocodome said:
Whatever. Some believe in God, some don't. I do. Want to pick on that? Why? Are you better than those who have other beliefs?

And yes, holocaust... look at the numbers. It's terrible when it is for convenience... or the "oops" factor. It's heartbreaking when it's medically necessary and the baby is already dead. But to take a life for a matter/choice of convenience is murder in my opinion and in my faith. That's all I'm gonna say... flame on, I don't care. BTW, the capitalizations are for respect where it is due. SO you CAN BITE ME.
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Crocodome said:
Whatever. Some believe in God, some don't. I do. Want to pick on that? Why? Are you better than those who have other beliefs?

And yes, holocaust... look at the numbers. It's terrible when it is for convenience... or the "oops" factor. It's heartbreaking when it's medically necessary and the baby is already dead. But to take a life for a matter/choice of convenience is murder in my opinion and in my faith. That's all I'm gonna say... flame on, I don't care. BTW, the capitalizations are for respect where it is due. SO you CAN BITE ME.
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According to the church I've been committing genocide since I started jerking off...A fly has more cells in its brain than a stem cell consists of...
 
Crocodome said:
Whatever. Some believe in God, some don't. I do. Want to pick on that? Why? Are you better than those who have other beliefs?

And yes, holocaust... look at the numbers. It's terrible when it is for convenience... or the "oops" factor. It's heartbreaking when it's medically necessary and the baby is already dead. But to take a life for a matter/choice of convenience is murder in my opinion and in my faith. That's all I'm gonna say... flame on, I don't care. BTW, the capitalizations are for respect where it is due. SO you CAN BITE ME.
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That's what I love about all you kristians, always name calling when they don't get their way.

How about have a nice day! I bet you can also come up with some quick quotes of the day for whatever ailment you think exists. Maybe vermin? Maybe floods? Maybe non-believers? I am positive you can name call me to hell as well. I love the rhythm of that Hell as well! Oh the "Rythym Method" don't work so get a vasectomy, we already got enough of you guys around.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
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That's what I love about all you kristians, always name calling when they don't get their way.

How about have a nice day! I bet you can also come up with some quick quotes of the day for whatever ailment you think exists. Maybe vermin? Maybe floods? Maybe non-believers? I am positive you can name call me to hell as well. I love the rhythm of that Hell as well! Oh the "Rythym Method" don't work so get a vasectomy, we already got enough of you guys around.
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I love how the Christians are all about life...


but they support capital punishment and I doubt they've ever killed a human being...they're all about some ideology but they've never killed someone that would have just as easily killed them and searched the corpse for intelligence......and found out they were just like them...
 
javaguru said:
I love how the Christians are all about life...


but they support capital punishment and I doubt they've ever killed a human being...they're all about some ideology but they've never killed someone that would have just as easily killed them and searched the corpse for intelligence......and found out they were just like them...
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The issue(s) I have with the kristians are numerous, but their na na na naaa naaa is typical followed by condemnation, verse after verse, of course the ever present you are damned to hell and when they are actually put in a real life situation they drop their beliefs like a hot poker and become as strong an advocate for opposite behavior. Pure sheeple, pure two-faced.

I am getting ready for bed after a 16 hr day so my anti-stupid people meter is way low. I shall defer to a later thread where I can bash everyone effectively.
Be well java!
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
The issue(s) I have with the kristians are numerous, but their na na na naaa naaa is typical followed by condemnation, verse after verse, of course the ever present you are damned to hell and when they are actually put in a real life situation they drop their beliefs like a hot poker and become as strong an advocate for opposite behavior. Pure sheeple, pure two-faced.

I am getting ready for bed after a 16 hr day so my anti-stupid people meter is way low. I shall defer to a later thread where I can bash everyone effectively.
Be well java!
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Much respect for those that served before...
 
Crocodome said:
Whatever. Some believe in God, some don't. I do. Want to pick on that? Why? Are you better than those who have other beliefs?

And yes, holocaust... look at the numbers. It's terrible when it is for convenience... or the "oops" factor. It's heartbreaking when it's medically necessary and the baby is already dead. But to take a life for a matter/choice of convenience is murder in my opinion and in my faith. That's all I'm gonna say... flame on, I don't care. BTW, the capitalizations are for respect where it is due. SO you CAN BITE ME.
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"Whatever"? <--- strong arguement right there. :rolleyes:

I should bite you? Why? Did you call me a fatty-fat or something?

If you are anti-abortion - DONT HAVE ONE.

^^^How complicated is that concept?

Baby-killer? You have no f'in clue who you are talking to or what you are talking about.

As you were. :)
 
I don't really get what all the uproar is. They both committed murder. Just one legally, the other will get his in time. I am very much for a women's right to choose, however, when a doctor specifically deals in late term abortions, I have an issue. The women needs to suck it up then give it up.

I am struggling more with why he was in a church?
 
I'm pro-choice but I'm also against third term abortions. First trimester should be no questions asked. Third trimester should be a no-no. Second trimester needs to be case-by-case.

I'd love to take the libertarian view on virtually every issue, but the gubment keeps issuing me a ticket to vote on them by using tax dollars for funding. My tax money = I get a vote on the matter.
 
javaguru said:
Isn't it ironic he was murdered in church...by what I assume is another Christian...:)
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let me hook you up.. i realize you attempt to use sarcasm in a facetious manner in which to communicate thought, or a provoke inward thought and evaluation or to point out hypocrisy....or worse case you just hate..

at any rate..

A christian does not mean without sin, it means that they are a follower of christ (the messiah) and trust in that sacrifice to ordain them in the sight of God, that his sacrifice is sufficient for atonement of their sin..

It does not mean that they (the christian) are without sin, it does not mean that they are faultless, or that they even are good people (depending on what standard of judgment that is being used to measure them). To kill without malice or hate is a difficult thing, to die in the service of others, to spend one's life in doing what one believes is right or wrong is honorable. Is it good?? A person that kills in the name of faith, or a belief is still in his own judgment doing what is right and wrong. The issue becomes who is to judge?? You?? me?? no, if one is to submit to judgment then they choose to shackle them self to something that is outside of them self and to the benefit of the whole not necessarily to the benefit of the person..

A final thought... the gates of hell are locked from the inside, not from the outside to keep evil contained, for now at any rate..

Whoa to him that causes the child to stumble for I tell you the truth it would have been better that he never would have been born.

There are many different types of people in the world, those that create, and those that destroy and tear down which one are you?? which person do you want to be??
 
How lucky for us Americans that we have the financial ability to be so pious. Too bad for those Indian fuckers who aren't afforded similar luxuries.

Bottom line is: IF YOU ARE AGAINST ABORTION THEN DONT HAVE ONE.
 
inkspot said:
I don't really get what all the uproar is. They both committed murder. Just one legally, the other will get his in time. I am very much for a women's right to choose, however, when a doctor specifically deals in late term abortions, I have an issue. The women needs to suck it up then give it up.

I am struggling more with why he was in a church?
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Why not? There are many Christians who dont view abortion as murder even late term..some as loud as Peter Ruckman.

Its effed though.
 
inkspot said:
I don't really get what all the uproar is. They both committed murder. Just one legally, the other will get his in time. I am very much for a women's right to choose, however, when a doctor specifically deals in late term abortions, I have an issue. The women needs to suck it up then give it up.

I am struggling more with why he was in a church?
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if you don't understand what the uproar is over a cold blooded murder then you are one sick religious fuck.
 
inkspot said:
I don't really get what all the uproar is. They both committed murder. Just one legally, the other will get his in time. I am very much for a women's right to choose, however, when a doctor specifically deals in late term abortions, I have an issue. The women needs to suck it up then give it up.

I am struggling more with why he was in a church?
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most late term abortions are due to health reasons. They're not nice, granted........but if I had a wife and a doctor said that some complication was coming up that gave even the slightest chance of her coming away from the birth seriously affected for life or even possibly dying, there simply isn't a debate there to me. You end the pregnancy and try again. You only have one wife. At least that's the way I look at it.......the abrahams offspring always viewed women as dime a dozen baby chattle. If it don't work with one, go get yourself another and fullfill "god's will".
 
bino said:
if you don't understand what the uproar is over a cold blooded murder then you are one sick religious fuck.
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mmm interesting since you have no clue what my beliefs are. What makes this murder any different from any other murder? Is it because he's a doctor, or because he aborts babies. That's what I meant by "uproar".
 
cindylou said:
Why not? There are many Christians who dont view abortion as murder even late term..some as loud as Peter Ruckman.

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Christians may not view abortions as murder but I bet the bible does. Yes it is screwed up.
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no I'm pretty sure christians view abortion as murder......in fact they make no distinction between abortion and walking up to someone and killing them for no reason. I am talking about the more fundamental people though, the ones who take the bible word for word.
 
inkspot said:
mmm interesting since you have no clue what my beliefs are. What makes this murder any different from any other murder? Is it because he's a doctor, or because he aborts babies. That's what I meant by "uproar".
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anytime a true victim is killed in cold blood there should be a uproar
 
A fetus has a heartbeat 18 days after the conception. And lol at Planned Parenthood. Throw Judy Blume in there, too.
 
Mr.Blonde said:
A fetus has a heartbeat 18 days after the conception. And lol at Planned Parenthood. Throw Judy Blume in there, too.
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does that change the fact that without the mother it would not survive? It's still a decision between a woman and her god, period.
 
redsamurai said:
does that change the fact that without the mother it would not survive? It's still a decision between a woman and her god, period.
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If you were referring to the Mother Mary, i'd agree. But, amongst us mortals, there's a penis involved. So, i think we oughtta get a vote.
 
redsamurai said:
no I'm pretty sure christians view abortion as murder......in fact they make no distinction between abortion and walking up to someone and killing them for no reason. I am talking about the more fundamental people though, the ones who take the bible word for word.
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actually there may be abortions actually performed in the bible in the old testiment soooo i dunno....

And one of the most fundamental Christians pastors ever (I cant decide if he's a nutcase or what...he's very fundie) who writes tons of Christian books, Dr. Peter Ruckman says that abortion is NOT murder, that a human does not have a soul until birth - so no murder is taking place

Christians are divided on the abortion issue - they debate it all the time.
 
the abortion debate will never be solved for one side or the other.
Any reasonable and intelligent person could make an objective argument for either side, and therein lies the never ending debate.
Kind of like the death penalty.
 
This society makes it too easy to be irresponsible. Let's stop providing these services. Let's see how many people are willing to do their own dirty work. That goes for euthanizing your own pets, too.
 
cindylou said:
Christians are divided on the abortion issue - they debate it all the time.
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The average Christian may talk about being against abortion but when their backs are against the wall with a pregnancy they will make the trip to the "clinic".
 
Mr.Blonde said:
This society makes it too easy to be irresponsible. Let's stop providing these services. Let's see how many people are willing to do their own dirty work. That goes for euthanizing your own pets, too.
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what do you mean by that? People shouldnt surrender their pets to animal shelters or that they should put their own suffering pet to death? I dont understand
 
Mr.Blonde said:
If you were referring to the Mother Mary, i'd agree. But, amongst us mortals, there's a penis involved. So, i think we oughtta get a vote.
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can you see where this breaks down? Like with an abusive husband who basically raped his wife get's to have a say?? or let's take it further, does a rapist get to have a say if his victim becomes pregnant?
 
cindylou said:
what do you mean by that? People shouldnt surrender their pets to animal shelters or that they should put their own suffering pet to death? I dont understand
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They shouldn't do either. Shelters are overwhelmed. And it's a nice feeling that your pet will have a nice, "painless" death, isn't it? And what's this suffering nonsense?
 
Mr.Blonde said:
They shouldn't do either. Shelters are overwhelmed. And it's a nice feeling that your pet will have a nice, "painless" death, isn't it? And what's this suffering nonsense?
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so you're against euthanizing an animal that is in constant pain and nothing can be done for it?
 
Mr.Blonde said:
They shouldn't do either. Shelters are overwhelmed. And it's a nice feeling that your pet will have a nice, "painless" death, isn't it? And what's this suffering nonsense?
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How about a dog that has had his stomach turned a million times and is clearly suffering? I have not put a pet to sleep, but Vets reccomend putting old suffering animals to sleep all the time. you seem judgemental.
 
redsamurai said:
can you see where this breaks down? Like with an abusive husband who basically raped his wife get's to have a say?? or let's take it further, does a rapist get to have a say if his victim becomes pregnant?
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I'll be honest here. I'm a true blue Christian. I don't believe in any form of murder. The fetus in question is as innocent as the woman who was violated. The rapist? Well, i guess not. But who am i to say? Vengeance will never be ours.
 
cindylou said:
How about a dog that has had his stomach turned a million times and is clearly suffering? I have not put a pet to sleep, but Vets reccomend putting old suffering animals to sleep all the time. you seem judgemental.
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You like to speculate, don't you? But if you want to justify, you will find a way to justify. Anything.
 
redsamurai said:
so you're against euthanizing an animal that is in constant pain and nothing can be done for it?
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Yeah. Can we segue into assisted suicide? I love animals, but they are just that, animals. We eat them, beat them, use them for toil. Does anyone cry for the pigs that are sh*tting themselves as they're having their throats slit?
 
Must be nice to be so comfortable in life that one could put the life of an animal on the same plane as a human life.

God must have REALLY forsaken all those poor fuckers in China and India. I wonder what those peeps did to piss god off.
 
Mr.Blonde said:
I'll be honest here. I'm a true blue Christian. I don't believe in any form of murder. The fetus in question is as innocent as the woman who was violated. The rapist? Well, i guess not. But who am i to say? Vengeance will never be ours.
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So you would force a woman to go through a pregnancy with a child of rape? I mean if a woman wishes to do this that's fine, but you would honestly force a woman to carry a rape child to term? Please tell me you understand the implications of this notion "as a whole". Forget about an individual case, think about what that would denote women as.
 
you are batshit crazy bro......:lmao:


Mr.Blonde said:
Yeah. Can we segue into assisted suicide? I love animals, but they are just that, animals. We eat them, beat them, use them for toil. Does anyone cry for the pigs that are sh*tting themselves as they're having their throats slit?
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redsamurai said:
So you would force a woman to go through a pregnancy with a child of rape? I mean if a woman wishes to do this that's fine, but you would honestly force a woman to carry a rape child to term? Please tell me you understand the implications of this notion "as a whole". Forget about an individual case, think about what that would denote women as.
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It's god's will. :rolleyes: and EVERY conception is a gift, even if the woman doesn't find herself so gifted. Maybe "all the OTHER true blue christians" will happily accept this gift in her stead? Nope, they are too busy picketting and blowing up clinics where woman who choose to terminate a pregnancy can do so with safety. Maybe if they weren't so busy handling "that part" of enforcing their version of "the will of god" then they'd have more free time and funds to handle "another part" of someone else's version like feeding, clothing, loving, nurturing, guiding and PAYING FOR a baby that someone else couldn't or didn't want the responsibility for.

But an unwanted pregnancy is just like tsunamis, stillbirths, volcanic eruptions, aids and every other "unfortunate event" that we aren't "allowed" to blame on god, meanwhile we are supposed to praise his name for anything that goes right: like not becoming ill, winning the lottery, being born with ten fingers and toes.

Humans have no free will. It's all up to god.

Like I said before those poor Chinese and Indian fuckers must have REALLY pissed him off.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
It's god's will. :rolleyes: and EVERY conception is a gift, even if the woman doesn't find herself so gifted. Maybe "all the OTHER true blue christians" will happily accept this gift in her stead? Nope, they are too busy picketting and blowing up clinics where woman who choose to terminate a pregnancy can do so with safety. Maybe if they weren't so busy handling "that part" of enforcing their version of "the will of god" then they'd have more free time and funds to handle "another part" of someone else's version like feeding, clothing, loving, nurturing, guiding and PAYING FOR a baby that someone else couldn't or didn't want the responsibility for.

But an unwanted pregnancy is just like tsunamis, stillbirths, volcanic eruptions, aids and every other "unfortunate event" that we aren't "allowed" to blame on god, meanwhile we are supposed to praise his name for anything that goes right: like not becoming ill, winning the lottery, being born with ten fingers and toes.

Humans have no free will. It's all up to god.

Like I said before those poor Chinese and Indian fuckers must have REALLY pissed him off.
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You ignorantly paint Christians with broad and assumptive brush.
 
Late-term abortions are practically a different category altogether. They're seldom, if ever, performed on women who simply don't want to have a baby - in fact, they're usually performed on women who WANT to have a baby.

Case-in-point: my friend's sister who very much wanted a child found out somewhat late in her pregnancy that the fetus was rife with severe defects stemming from an up-til-then undiagnosed genetic disorder on her end (she'd already had one child who had been born healthy). It's not just that the kid would have been developmentally challenged or ill or something - it's that it would have had no shot of survival at all. It was pretty devastating for her, and the abortion was hardly some abdication of responsibility.

Situations like this and instances of the mother's life being in danger are far more the rule than the exception when it comes to late-period abortions.

So, yes, many pro-choicers are "uneasy" about late-term abortions on some general principle; however, I think that sentiment would disappear rather quickly with some more information on the specifics of late-term abortions.
 
75th said:
Late-term abortions are practically a different category altogether. They're seldom, if ever, performed on women who simply don't want to have a baby - in fact, they're usually performed on women who WANT to have a baby.

Case-in-point: my friend's sister who very much wanted a child found out somewhat late in her pregnancy that the fetus was rife with severe defects stemming from an up-til-then undiagnosed genetic disorder on her end (she'd already had one child who had been born healthy). It's not just that the kid would have been developmentally challenged or ill or something - it's that it would have had no shot of survival at all. It was pretty devastating for her, and the abortion was hardly some abdication of responsibility.

Situations like this and instances of the mother's life being in danger are far more the rule than the exception when it comes to late-period abortions.

So, yes, many pro-choicers are "uneasy" about late-term abortions on some general principle; however, I think that sentiment would disappear rather quickly with some more information on the specifics of late-term abortions.
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First of all, that's a terrible story. Hopefully she's recovered and moved forward with her life. I have four children and can't imagine going through what happened to her.

Women under those circumstances can find abortions locally. With those qualifiers, many (if not most) qualified doctors will provide them.

If her reason for a late-term abortion had been: "The father and I have broken-up", she would have been forced to resort to a Dr. Tiller or one of his ilk. It wasn't the fact that he provided late-term abortions that made him controversial -- it was the quantity and circumstances of the procedures he performed.
 
cindylou said:
actually there may be abortions actually performed in the bible in the old testiment soooo i dunno....

And one of the most fundamental Christians pastors ever (I cant decide if he's a nutcase or what...he's very fundie) who writes tons of Christian books, Dr. Peter Ruckman says that abortion is NOT murder, that a human does not have a soul until birth - so no murder is taking place

Christians are divided on the abortion issue - they debate it all the time.
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That's one of the issues isn't it?? when did he become GOD ??? when did he become all knowing and empowered to make that determination?? he can educate on what the bible says.. but judge?? As a fundie i'd take um bridge to his manipulation and self appointed high road..
 
I'd kill myself if I ever thought I had the capacity or proclivities of a pedo or priest... and spare you the effort.
 
I've taken a particular interest in O'Reilly back peddling about the comments he's made over the years claiming he was "only reporting the facts."(like he's a journalist :rolleyes:)derisively and routinely called him "Tiller the Baby Killer" all the time on his show and not in the context of "reporting what anti abortion groups call him." O'Reilly isn't responsible for his death but he certainly helped make him a target. I could name him directly...who else knows the names of Dr's willing to perform third trimester abortions?

P.S. I thought it was interesting he referred to the accused murderer as "an anti government extremist" on his program as opposed to what I would call a pro-life terrorist. Perhaps Billy should refer to Muslim terrorists as "anti-traditional value Muslims." :)

P.P.S Dr. Tiller was never convicted of a crime so calling him a killer was a personal choice.
 
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P.S. I thought it was interesting he referred to the accused murderer as "an anti government extremist" on his program as opposed to what I would call a pro-life terrorist. Perhaps Billy should refer to Muslim terrorists as "anti-traditional value Muslims." :)
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He's referred to Tiller's killer as a "loon", "far-right extremist" and someone "with no regard for the rule of law" -- and other similar things.

The key here is to actually watch the show instead of googling what other people say about him.
 
redsamurai said:
So you would force a woman to go through a pregnancy with a child of rape? I mean if a woman wishes to do this that's fine, but you would honestly force a woman to carry a rape child to term? Please tell me you understand the implications of this notion "as a whole". Forget about an individual case, think about what that would denote women as.
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I can't force anyone to do anything. No one can. It comes down to choice. Either you make the right one or the wrong one. And then live with the consequences. And as viewing things as a whole, it's flawed. Right now, the world as a whole is just that, a hole. Individualism needs to make a comeback.
 
ummmm, by enacting abortion laws that "prohibit" abortions even in cases of rape/incest..(thank you for this one gov. palin)............you are in fact "forcing" someone to do something.



Mr.Blonde said:
I can't force anyone to do anything. No one can. It comes down to choice. Either you make the right one or the wrong one. And then live with the consequences. And as viewing things as a whole, it's flawed. Right now, the world as a whole is just that, a hole. Individualism needs to make a comeback.
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redsamurai said:
ummmm, by enacting abortion laws that "prohibit" abortions even in cases of rape/incest..(thank you for this one gov. palin)............you are in fact "forcing" someone to do something.
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I'm not God. I haven't an answer for that. But, if someone truly wanted to end a life, no matter what the stage of developement, it can be done. I just find the whole procedure repulsive, along with the people who engage in it. One last thing, most of the trips to the abortion clinic are made by irresponsible people who refuse to be accountable for their actions. Did we forget that sex leads to the siring of children? That's the main purpose for the act. Do we take our dogs, cats, etc. to just go get laid? No, we take them to breed. It's a fairly simple equation.
 
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