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joe d said:
so is buff running the cycle and going to post the progress? im not sure i understand
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No this thread we will ne making sponsor stacks and explaining them. I do have one member running this stack. He should start it soon. I don't remember where he took off to lol. He will prob see this and post up. He was the reason I posted this first stack...

No we will talk about many stacks and many products in this thread and explain them all. Talk with the members,get feed back,answer questions, fun for all. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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This was sent to me in a pm

SouthernLord said:
Unlike its distant cousin methyltestosterone, Madol is unable to convert to estrogen. This means that its use should not impart the normal estrogenic side effects such as increased water retention, fat buildup, or gynecomastia. This makes it an excellent agent to use during lean tissue building cycles, having an effect somewhat along the lines of Winstrol or trenbolone. It can also be used in bulking cycles. It is neither estrogenic nor significantly androgenic, however, and therefore not going to provide the same sheer-mass-building benefits that an injectable testosterone would. In general, we can say that Madol is functionally far removed from its cousin methyltestosterone, which is known for being a problematic side-effect-producing mass builder and a terrible agent to use during cutting cycles. The one principle side effect it does share with methyltestosterone, however, its hepatotoxicity. One should respect this agent in this regard, and be conservative with its dosage and duration of use as one would any other c-17 alpha alkylated oral. It should be noted that some Progestational Activity has been noted in users of this compound.
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I have read this quite a bit. Everyone I have known who has ran PPlex swelled up with water like crazy. Quite a few bros have got gyno from it too. If it does not convert to estro what would cause this?

I have seen Swole and a few others recommend low dose aromasin or adex while on PPlex. What is your take on this?
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read the little part I wrote down at the bottom... P-plex causes progestron like sides. Over many people using it,feed back,trail and erore it has now become commonly accepted that p-plex causes progesterone
like sides.

Now in this stack We have added monsterdrol/m-drol which is a dht derivative. Most advanced users know that dht derivatives work synergistic to lessen progesterone sides and problems.

Like I was saying the stack covers a lot. It got a synergistic mix. its got a mix almost like a test/nandro/dht. What I like to call the 1-2-3 punch combo.

I would drink a lot of water and take a really good liver sup. I like AI'S cycle support because it covers much more then just the liver.
 
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needtogetaas said:
This was sent to me in a pm




read the little part I wrote down at the bottom... P-plex causes progestron like sides. Over many people using it,feed back,trail and erore it has now become commonly accepted that p-plex causes progesterone
like sides.

Now in this stack We have added monsterdrol/m-drol which is a dht derivative. Most advanced users know that dht derivatives work synergistic to lessen progesterone sides and problems.

Like I was saying the stack covers a lot. It got a synergistic mix. its got a mix almost like a test/nandro/dht. What I like to call the 1-2-3 punch combo.

I would drink a lot of water and take a really good liver sup. I like AI'S cycle support because it covers much more then just the liver.
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So what your saying is..... This is the OTC Peanut Butter and Jelly stack:p
 
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the_alcatraz said:
This is awesome bro...great idea! I live it...

Is the 1-T officially released?
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Ha i think its sold out already lmao. They will have more in stock real quick they and orders will be back ordered but you will still get the products.. Best to order now if you ever plan to get any..


I have discounts for every product in this stack. Fuck I have discounts for every product on the damn net :D
 
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I could see some great bulking gains coming from a stack of 1-T and Monsterdrol.

Is the monsterdrol still available?

-Pp
 
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Primordial Performance said:
I could see some great bulking gains coming from a stack of 1-T and Monsterdrol.

Is the monsterdrol still available?

-Pp
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No but the M-Drol from justaddmuscle has double the same active ingredient as the monsterdrol had, aka superdrol :D

Yes the monsterdrol was tested and it came back pure 100% and it was also loved by all (which is why it sold out so fast) but there is no more of it and I do not see them getting anymore anytime soon... So next best thing
m-drol will have to do.. I think it will work fairly on par with the monsterdrol though.
 
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That's INTENSE. I'll bet even an advanced juicer would make nice gains "natty" with that stack. Awesome.
 
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RawMCC ( http://www.agxsports.com/)

RawMCC (Magnesium reacted creatine) is the best creatine out on the market. Everyone knows and is familiar with creatine. But why is RawMCC better than any other?

Magnesium status can relate to dramatic strength improvement, increased neuronal efficiency, as well as aid in muscle cramping episodes.

Magnesium has been shown to invoke a marked difference in skeletal muscle contractile force (torque). Evidence suggests that the mechanisms behind this increase of force may be taking place at the ribosomal level in protein synthesis.

RawMCC will help your strength and power increase on a much higher level than regual Creatine monohydrate, and even CEE.

Also, RawMCC has a lower conversion rate to useless creatinine than both CM, and CEE.





WAXIMAIZE

Everyone knows that a PWO routine is essential for anabolism during your "anabolic window" immediately following a workout.

Waxy Maize has quickly become of the greatest PWO carb. It's high molecular density makes WM pass through the stomach right into the small intestine for immediate absorbption into the bloodstream. It is a low GI (low glycemic index) carb, but still induces greater insulin response to get that nourishment back into to those hard trained muscles.

Mixing Waxy maize with your RawMCC will giv you a great PWO boost of carbs to get your glycogen stores replenished. Depending on your weight, size and goals, you should use anywhere from 30-90 grams PWO. Most should stick around 45gm. I do 60gm on a bulk diet, 30gm on a cutting diet.


Protein w/ BCAA

Whey protein. Who hasn't heard of whey protein?

What kind should you use?

There are som many kinds of whey protein, but which ones are better than others? I personally use Whey Protein Isolate. It has a high quality amino acid profile and digests quickly. Isoaltes are superior to concentrates in both purity and quality of the protein. It also costs more, but if you want a quality protein, get something besides concentrate. But, use a whey PWO.


Casein proteins digest slowly. Although derived from milk like whey, it's properties are different from whey. The slower digestion is best suited for sleep, or mixed 50/50 with a morning shake at breakfast(if you train in the P.M.) While sleeping, your body is in a catabolic state. With a higher constant nitrogen level in the blood produced by casein, the body will repair better while sleeping and prevent catabolism. Whey is digested within 3 hours. Do you really want to sleep 5 hours without nutrient uptake? I don't



Sustain Alpha

Sustain Alpha. It's the shizz. What else is there to say?

Bu for real, I was skeptical of SA before I tried it for the first time. I am very impressed by it. It makes me feel great, and really bossts the libido. Chicks dig that! Well, what does it do? What is it for? It is for PCT.

From PP's site:

Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting cream that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. This supports male vitality, libido, and erectile function. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized.

I can't do it justice with my own understanding, so I highly suggest reading up on the article and understand the science behind Sustain and what makes it an essential part of your PCT.

Sustain Alpha - Boosting Testosterone & Libido with topical resveratrol & 7,8 Benzoflavone
 
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Needto and Buff you guys deserve a Masters degree in muscle building,seriously. I am in awe right now after reading all of this great info up here. Amazing stack you guys have put together. Now I need to get moving and combine all of these products in one stack from my side and call it the Elite stack. Stay tuned for a great new listing and great combined price for all the good bro's that make Elite special.
 
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waxy maize is the shit

i take 60 grams pre workout with 2 scoops of whey and the pumps are insane

after my workout my body is starving for nutrients

i take another 60 grams waxy maize, wait 20 minutes then down 2 scoops of whey

hearty meal 1-2 hours after that

done
 
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Great post bro's!!!

I think my next cycle was similar to just about everything you bro's described except for the P plex, and I am gonna use alittle more monsterdrol since this is my second time around with it.....I have a new bottle of Cylotren (no longer available) that I was going to use...discussed P Plex with JAM...thought for my goals may not be what I need...wetter gains? Should be awesome though mixed with the m-drol. Awaiting my shipment of 1-T!!

Once I return from Chicago back to Florida this was my planned cycle:

Week 1-6: 1 tube of Testim ED ( prescribed by my Doc...gonna try and get Test E once this months supply of testim runs out.....gonna through this in the mix!)
Week 2-6: P.P's 1-T ED
Week 2: 3 caps of Monsterdrol ED
Weeks 3-6: 4 caps of Monsterdrol ED
Week: 3-6 2 caps of Cyclotren ED
Week 1-6: 8 caps of AI Life support; 4morning, 4 evening ED..used cycle support last time, I prefer caps :)
Week 1-6: increased amount of Fish oil, 10-12 caps ED

Additional supps will be Lipoflame and AmplifyO2 along with P.P's CLA...Now think I'll be adding some MCC into the mix....thanks bro's...I'm going broke!!!

Week 1-6: 6 lipoflame ED
Week 1-6 :9 AmplifyO2 every weight training day
Week 1-6: 4 CLA daily


Already using JAMS whey Protein, Waxy Maize, L-glutamine, and BCAA PWO,,,think I'm gonna PM Needto, Dabuff and Jam and see if I should drop the cyclotren and do the P Plex instead...

Goal is to put on 12 lbs LBM and lose 12lbs of Fat, for a net weight gain of 0 lbs, but a greatly improved body composition. If it is better than that I'll be a very happy man!!

As usual, Needto and Dabuff you guys blow my friggin socks off!!!! You guys are the Anabolic Einsteins!!!
 
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Thanks for the kind words guys. A little too nice though, lol.
 
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This is some good shit. Someone should volunteer to run it and log it. I need to live vicariously through others until i start again in Feb. Help a botha out.
 
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Hey bro...is this a new P-PLEX from JAM or a product he is already carrying?????????????
 
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needtogetaas said:
No but the M-Drol from justaddmuscle has double the same active ingredient as the monsterdrol had, aka superdrol :D

Yes the monsterdrol was tested and it came back pure 100% and it was also loved by all (which is why it sold out so fast) but there is no more of it and I do not see them getting anymore anytime soon... So next best thing
m-drol will have to do.. I think it will work fairly on par with the monsterdrol though.
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Stay tuned my brother,I might be pulling a rabbit out of the hat on our beloved Monster in a week or so.:D
 
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Just Add Muscle said:
Stay tuned my brother,I might be pulling a rabbit out of the hat on our beloved Monster in a week or so.:D
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:cool: I've got my two bottles for my next cycle...You'll be making alot of bros happy if your getting more! Thought I may need to stock up on Mdrol before that gets scarce
 
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if anyone wants me to help them plan their pre and post workout supplement plan shoot me a PM

i've toyed with different combos for the last year

but waxy maize is a staple!
 
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What, if any effect do these compounds have collagen synthesis and tendon recovery? Awesome thread BTW!
 
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Why rawmcc is the best and why its going to give you that extra kick in this cycle!!!!!!!!!

Creatine
, a naturally-occurring amino acid derivative found principally in skeletal muscles and in lesser quantities in the heart, brain and testes,110 is prized as an ergogenic aid111 and a pathway to increased muscle mass.112

Believed to increase strength and performance, supplemental creatine is converted within the body to phosphocreatine (PCr), an energy source particularly useful for activities requiring high-intensity bursts of energy, such as sprinting and weightlifting. A clinical trial out of the University of Technology in Sydney, Australia, randomized 18 males to receive 20 g/d of creatine for seven days followed by l0 g/d of creatine for a further 21 days (n=9), or a placebo for the same period.113 Test subjects completed aerobic testing on a cycle ergometer before and after supplementation. The creatine group showed a significant increase in body mass, decrease in maximum heart rate and decrease in submaximal VO2 (oxygen uptake); other oxygen consumption measures and exercise time to exhaustion in this group showed decreasing trends that approached significance. The researchers concluded creatine ingestion improves submaximal cycling efficiency, likely due to peripheral factors such an increase in muscle PCr, rather than central changes.

Creatine may be most applicable in resistance training programs, due to the compound’s purported ability to increase muscle mass and strength. A six-week controlled clinical trial from the University of Saskatchewan, Canada, conducted on six males and five females supplemented with creatine or placebo and subjected to resistance training of limbs two times per week found supplementation with creatine after training of the arms resulted in greater increases in muscle thickness of the arms, particularly in males.114 Similarly, a Belgian study investigating the effects of oral creatine supplementation on muscle PCr concentration, muscle strength and body composition in 19 young female volunteers during 10 weeks of resistance training found long-term creatine supplementation enhanced the progress of muscle strength during resistance training in sedentary females.115

Magnesium and creatine have been combined in formulation to enhance their synergistic support of production of energy-providing ATP within the body. According to a clinical trial at Western Washington University, Bellingham, magnesium-creatine chelate (as Creatine MagnaPower™, from Albion Advanced Nutrition) may help runners delay exhaustion compared to placebo, through effects on accumulated oxygen deficit.116 In addition, supplementation of animals with magnesium-creatine chelate (as Creatine MagnaPower) more effectively enhanced ability to generate and regenerate ATP for muscular performance, in comparison to supplementation with creatine monohydrate, creatine monohydrate plus magnesium oxide, creatine monohydrate plus magnesium amino acid chelate, or placebo.117
 
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2evil said:
What, if any effect do these compounds have collagen synthesis and tendon recovery? Awesome thread BTW!
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collagen consists of amino acids like any other protein. Naturally, supplying these amino acids in abundance will stimulate collagen synthesis

When thinking of post workout muscle recovery the first supplement that jumps to mind is Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAAs). The branch chain amino acids can be broken down and used for energy during exercise therefore it is necessary to replace these. The best time to do this is immediately after exercise when your body is in the super-compensation phase and the amino acids will be taken up into the muscle where you want them to be. Tendons and ligaments can be the limiting factor to muscle growth as they will often prevent you from lifting the heavier weights you need to stimulate growth if they are not strengthened and repaired properly With A sufficient amount of bcaa's pree and post work out they can get weak and cause problems later on.
 
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Rikishi said:
Is it worth it to take creatine pw during a cycle of designer steroids?
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Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores.

Training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.T he anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.


There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...So yes take in your damn rawmcc you fuckers.
 
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needtogetaas said:
Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores.

Training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.T he anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.


There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...So yes take in your damn rawmcc you fuckers.
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Wow, sick info needto. Thanks!
 
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needtogetaas said:
collagen consists of amino acids like any other protein. Naturally, supplying these amino acids in abundance will stimulate collagen synthesis

When thinking of post workout muscle recovery the first supplement that jumps to mind is Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAAs). The branch chain amino acids can be broken down and used for energy during exercise therefore it is necessary to replace these. The best time to do this is immediately after exercise when your body is in the super-compensation phase and the amino acids will be taken up into the muscle where you want them to be. Tendons and ligaments can be the limiting factor to muscle growth as they will often prevent you from lifting the heavier weights you need to stimulate growth if they are not strengthened and repaired properly With A sufficient amount of bcaa's pree and post work out they can get weak and cause problems later on.
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Good shit NeedTo!

Anything OTC that acts on tendons and collagen similarly to EQ, Anavar or Primo? Keep this thread going!
 
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2evil said:
Good shit NeedTo!

Anything OTC that acts on tendons and collagen similarly to EQ, Anavar or Primo? Keep this thread going!
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I have a product I really really want to get out. Its been slow going though. The product will be a topical condroten with some other shit. Great trans dermal delivery system too. I will go threw all layers of the shin and right down to the bone. It will provide instant pain relief as well as repair over time and give strength to the joints.
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I would be extremely interested in a product like that...with my history of tearing two tendons...I'm always worried as all hell It will happen again
 
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Primordial Performance said:
I could see some great bulking gains coming from a stack of 1-T and Monsterdrol.

Is the monsterdrol still available?

-Pp
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I think JAM is getting a new batch soon...I'm waiting to order mine again :evil:

Might even stack it with 1-T?

When will it be in stock again?
 
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Black Boxster said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I would be extremely interested in a product like that...with my history of tearing two tendons...I'm always worried as all hell It will happen again
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Bump on this.

What tendons did you tear bro?
 
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Man this thread is bad ass. I am glad I took the time to do this thing up. Also thanks to buff.

We will do another round just like it soon.
 
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needtogetaas said:
Man this thread is bad ass. I am glad I took the time to do this thing up. Also thanks to buff.

We will do another round just like it soon.
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Great info and thread.

How 'bout sex drive predictions on this stack?

BTT
 
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dabuffguy said:
RawMCC ( http://www.agxsports.com/)

RawMCC (Magnesium reacted creatine) is the best creatine out on the market. Everyone knows and is familiar with creatine. But why is RawMCC better than any other?

Magnesium status can relate to dramatic strength improvement, increased neuronal efficiency, as well as aid in muscle cramping episodes.

Magnesium has been shown to invoke a marked difference in skeletal muscle contractile force (torque). Evidence suggests that the mechanisms behind this increase of force may be taking place at the ribosomal level in protein synthesis.

RawMCC will help your strength and power increase on a much higher level than regual Creatine monohydrate, and even CEE.

Also, RawMCC has a lower conversion rate to useless creatinine than both CM, and CEE.





WAXIMAIZE

Everyone knows that a PWO routine is essential for anabolism during your "anabolic window" immediately following a workout.

Waxy Maize has quickly become of the greatest PWO carb. It's high molecular density makes WM pass through the stomach right into the small intestine for immediate absorbption into the bloodstream. It is a low GI (low glycemic index) carb, but still induces greater insulin response to get that nourishment back into to those hard trained muscles.

Mixing Waxy maize with your RawMCC will giv you a great PWO boost of carbs to get your glycogen stores replenished. Depending on your weight, size and goals, you should use anywhere from 30-90 grams PWO. Most should stick around 45gm. I do 60gm on a bulk diet, 30gm on a cutting diet.


Protein w/ BCAA

Whey protein. Who hasn't heard of whey protein?

What kind should you use?

There are som many kinds of whey protein, but which ones are better than others? I personally use Whey Protein Isolate. It has a high quality amino acid profile and digests quickly. Isoaltes are superior to concentrates in both purity and quality of the protein. It also costs more, but if you want a quality protein, get something besides concentrate. But, use a whey PWO.


Casein proteins digest slowly. Although derived from milk like whey, it's properties are different from whey. The slower digestion is best suited for sleep, or mixed 50/50 with a morning shake at breakfast(if you train in the P.M.) While sleeping, your body is in a catabolic state. With a higher constant nitrogen level in the blood produced by casein, the body will repair better while sleeping and prevent catabolism. Whey is digested within 3 hours. Do you really want to sleep 5 hours without nutrient uptake? I don't



Sustain Alpha

Sustain Alpha. It's the shizz. What else is there to say?

Bu for real, I was skeptical of SA before I tried it for the first time. I am very impressed by it. It makes me feel great, and really bossts the libido. Chicks dig that! Well, what does it do? What is it for? It is for PCT.

From PP's site:

Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting cream that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. This supports male vitality, libido, and erectile function. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized.

I can't do it justice with my own understanding, so I highly suggest reading up on the article and understand the science behind Sustain and what makes it an essential part of your PCT.

Sustain Alpha - Boosting Testosterone & Libido with topical resveratrol & 7,8 Benzoflavone
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Erm, theres no insulin spike response from Waxy...ahem

Good stuff tho
 
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2evil said:
Bump on this.

What tendons did you tear bro?
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Both Distal tendons and Biceps...it sucked all major forms of ass!!! Worse pain you can imagine...I could hear the snap...like rubber bands popping.....from my elbows to my shoulders was black and blue....
 
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Black Boxster said:
Both Distal tendons and Biceps...it sucked all major forms of ass!!! Worse pain you can imagine...I could hear the snap...like rubber bands popping.....from my elbows to my shoulders was black and blue....
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I bet. Recovering from Achilles rupture right now. What do you attribute it too?
 
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Well my Doctor siad it was from using gear...Muscles stronger than tendons....BUT I did gear when I was younger,, a few cycles...but some pretty major cycles...back in the late 80's early nineties guys weren't as smart about gear as they are today...

I use to try and lift as heavy as possible all the time...now I try to cycle or taper my training...left heavier for 8-12 weeks, then go light with more isolation movements, etc
But the injuries kinda of mind screwed me.....I stopped lift for over 10 years and became a fat ass....at 44 I decided this is it...If I want to get fit again now is my chance and to start...
In march/early April I was 276lbs...now down to around 230bls..was at a 41% BF, now down to around 22%...still working hard every day...diet is rough...tough to eat clean all the time...chicken and tuna get boring real quick...I'll be 45 on Christmas and I'm in the best shape I've been in a decade!....I'm hoping by Summer to be in the best shape of my life!

Trying not to make this mistakes I did when I was young...there are ALOT of great bro's here who know so much more about training, diet, gear usage than I ever knew.... So I really love EF....Needto, Dabuff, Alctraz, Southern Lord...Hell I could keep going on and on , but the bro's here of treated me like an old friend and never get tired of answer this old farts questions...

I feel truly blessed I was invited to join this board!
 
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the_alcatraz said:
I think JAM is getting a new batch soon...I'm waiting to order mine again :evil:

Might even stack it with 1-T?

When will it be in stock again?
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We are shooting for one week to have it in stock and this time we are making it double the mg's per cap.:evil::evil::evil:

We have just brough Cyclotren back in a bigger bottle of 100 caps instead of 60 at 30mg per cap. Listing will be up tonight.:evil::evil:
 
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I just went to JAM's shop again today because I ran out of WHEY...( Bro's...run and buy it...it is the best whey protein ever...no shit!!)

JAM was telling me that he will have the new Monsterdrol soon that will be twice as many mg per cap...bro's this will make it much more cost effective.....I think I'm gonna buy it all since I'm local...and re-sell it for a killing...HAHAHA.....:p:p:p:p:p

Seriously...i'm starting a new cycle of it as soon as my 1-T arrives...but I will stock up on this before he runs out again for future cycles!!!!
 
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Im hibernating from the gym from setting up the new store and the huge move but Im telling you boys that its going to be on very soon. I have a few stacks I want to run in mind and a serious supplement regimen I am going to set up for myself when I get everything tied in with the relocation.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

This sounds like one amazing stack and just what I need to put on some lean mass. I've been stuck at the same weight for far too long! I may just have to order this all, and start it up in December. If I do, I definitely post a detailed log.

Thanks for all the hard work on this one!
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

jugarelly said:
This sounds like one amazing stack and just what I need to put on some lean mass. I've been stuck at the same weight for far too long! I may just have to order this all, and start it up in December. If I do, I definitely post a detailed log.

Thanks for all the hard work on this one!
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Definitley go for it bro. You will get jacked and strong off of it.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

I already have my monsterdrol in my closet. I just ordered everything for this stack except the protien and the bcaa. I have a big ass jug of muscle milk Im going to use in its place cause I already have it. And I have liquid aminos.
As soon as I get everything in the mail Im going to start this stack. I see the P-plex is out of stock. So I didnt get to order that yet. Waititng for JAM to get back too me as to when it will be in stock. I'll let you bros know how it works out when I get all the products.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

I have everything ordered as well. I'm just waiting for the new Monsterdrol to be available this week. Also, as DasWolf said, JAM is out of P-Plex. However, it looks like it's not that hard to find elsewhere, and if you want to order from JAM, I think Pheravol would be a good alternative. After I get everything in the mail, I'm good to go. I'll start a detailed log once I begin.

I'm psyched. This is my first stack, and I'm ready to put on some lbs. I'm hoping I can get up to 185 by the end of this.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

DasWolf said:
I already have my monsterdrol in my closet. I just ordered everything for this stack except the protien and the bcaa. I have a big ass jug of muscle milk Im going to use in its place cause I already have it. And I have liquid aminos.
As soon as I get everything in the mail Im going to start this stack. I see the P-plex is out of stock. So I didnt get to order that yet. Waititng for JAM to get back too me as to when it will be in stock. I'll let you bros know how it works out when I get all the products.
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Fuck jam get some more p-plex bro. I see everyone made a run for the m-drol when the monsterdrol ran out so now you're out of that to. LOLOLOLOL Keep up with me here. THis stack is the shit!!!!!!
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

skaman007 said:
hi,,wy would experienced aas users choose these products over aas??is it for health reasons,less sides?
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Bro,

I wouldn't consider these "natty" at all...these are the real deal..."desigher steriods" not some prohormone crap..... Sides can be just as bad as using some e-legal gear...so liver supps and close monitring of lipids and bp should be noted while on cycle.

My strength gains on Monsterdrol were the most impressive gains I've ever seen....un freakin believable
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

skaman007 said:
hi,,wy would experienced aas users choose these products over aas??is it for health reasons,less sides?
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Not going to prison for drug possession might be an incentive. Just guessing.

But, it is a legitimate question. What benefits besides the issue of legality can this bring.

Black Boxster is one example. Have you seen his before and after pics of only 4 weeks? It was unbelieveable the improvement in muscularity. that was monsterdrol itself at only like 15 or 20 mg.

This stack we have come up with will rival anything illegal.

Yes, if i had a choice between this and tesosterone stacked with masteron and tren, I 'd take the test mast and tren, who wouldn't?

But, when you can get these legally and the results are comparable, it is a no brainer for anyone who either doesn't have a source, or has to stay away from the legal issues either because they can't risk it, or they are on probabtion or whatever.


I guarantee this stack to give anyone a substantial increase in mass and strength equal to that of illegal juice. Diet depending, you can also get ripped to shreds and still pack on the lean mass.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

Black Boxster said:
Bro,

I wouldn't consider these "natty" at all...these are the real deal..."desigher steriods" not some prohormone crap..... Sides can be just as bad as using some e-legal gear...so liver supps and close monitring of lipids and bp should be noted while on cycle.

My strength gains on Monsterdrol were the most impressive gains I've ever seen....un freakin believable
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HA HA nther would I. Read the thread and the boi's on the compounds. They are steroids Make no mistake about it.

One more thing. For all the boys out there looking for the all oral stacks. Yup this is the one you want.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

needtogetaas said:
HA HA nther would I. Read the thread and the boi's on the compounds. They are steroids Make no mistake about it.

One more thing. For all the boys out there looking for the all oral stacks. Yup this is the one you want.
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thanks,so anyone who aint thaT Keen on pinning,,this is ideal,,with it being an oral stack does it have to pass thru the liver first?
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

skaman007 said:
thanks,so anyone who aint thaT Keen on pinning,,this is ideal,,with it being an oral stack does it have to pass thru the liver first?
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Yes, anyone who does not like the needle would definitely want this stack.

Nothing passes through the liver first. It goes into the mouth, stomach, and then is digested into the bloodstream through the small intestine, where it then either is absorbed through a cell wall and attached to an androgen receptor, or it stays in the blood and makes it's way to the liver where it will then be filtered and broken down. Since it is methylated, it will survive the pass through the liver and stay active in the body until it reaches the receptor site.

My science might be a little off there, but that's pretty much how it goes.


Not all of your blood flows through your liver at the pace it does through the heart either. The compound might go through the bloodstream 100's of times before it reaches the liver. The heart does not designate a location for the blood to go, it just pumps it and the blood branches off through arteries at random. It's pretty much up to chance, but it all makes through the liver at some point.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

Competitive Edge labs H-drol and P-plex are back in stock.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

dabuffguy said:
Yes, anyone who does not like the needle would definitely want this stack.

Nothing passes through the liver first. It goes into the mouth, stomach, and then is digested into the bloodstream through the small intestine, where it then either is absorbed through a cell wall and attached to an androgen receptor, or it stays in the blood and makes it's way to the liver where it will then be filtered and broken down. Since it is methylated, it will survive the pass through the liver and stay active in the body until it reaches the receptor site.

My science might be a little off there, but that's pretty much how it goes.


Not all of your blood flows through your liver at the pace it does through the heart either. The compound might go through the bloodstream 100's of times before it reaches the liver. The heart does not designate a location for the blood to go, it just pumps it and the blood branches off through arteries at random. It's pretty much up to chance, but it all makes through the liver at some point.
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So yes you will want to take the whole stack. Including the ai's cycle support. In order to get 100% (bad ass) results Please use the whole stack. Yes taking some parts of it will yield good results, but its only (the bad ass bulker) when you take the whole damn stack.. Otherwise its just bad,ass,stack,or bulker. Put it all together and its the bad ass bulker stack :p

And pm me for discounts on all of it.
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

needtogetaas said:
Fuck jam get some more p-plex bro. I see everyone made a run for the m-drol when the monsterdrol ran out so now you're out of that to. LOLOLOLOL Keep up with me here. THis stack is the shit!!!!!!
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Check out the new products and stacks.:evil::evil::evil:
 
Re: Needto&debuffguy's Stack up the sponsors thread.

Primordial Performance said:
If you want something easy on the liver 1-T is a good choice. None of the hormone in it are methylated.

-Pp
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Yes its a great add to a stack like this. Added muscle gain and muscle recovery with no added stress to the liver. This should be the potato's in a lot of meat and potato stacks.
 
What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Ok guys. Here's the deal. Just finished a cycle of Monsterdrol.

I'm going to do some sustain alpha PCT for a little under a month.

I need you guys to put together a cycle for me from products that I can find from JAM & Pp (I want to start buying a lot from these guys, i.e. most of my cycles to benefit them, benefit EF and be on the safe side)

On the downside, I can't get the new 1-T into Canada. So that's out of the question.

Here are my choices so far:

Option 1:

Monsterdrol - JAM
Cyclotren - JAM
Dermacrine - Pp
Cycle Support - JAM
PCT: Sustain Alpha - Pp

Option 2:

Havoc - JAM
Cyclotren - JAM
Dermacrine - Pp
Cycle support - JAM
PCT: Test recovery stack

Do you guys like the above options?

What other options would you consider?

My goal for this cycle is to put on 25 lbs (Don't really care on how dry or clean they are going to be either)

Also, I want to run the cycle for 8 weeks (I've already ran 8 week anadrol cycles at 200mgs a day, so my liver is used to that shit :p)
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

option 1

or

Derma 1-8
Cyclo 1-8
PPlex 1-4
Monster 5-8
cycle support
test recovery stack

:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
Is Monsterdrol in Stock?

What about replacing it with Havoc? (which gives better strength / size gains?)
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Monsterdrol definitely gives better size and strength than Havoc. Having used both, I can testify to that without a doubt.

I would even option for P-Plex bro. You could stack P-plex at 30 mg and monsterdrol at 30mg for a 60mg combo with dermacrine.

*Notice guys, I usually do not suggest high doses like this, but Alcatraz is an advanced oral user.*

According to JAM, P-Plex is arguably as strong as monsterdrol with more mass gains, but is not all lean. You may hold water.


You will definitely get the best mass gains from stacking these two. And along with demacrine, you will be in good shape. 25 lbs is a huge gain, and the only way you'll reach it is with holding water.


Monsterdrol is NOT in stock yet, but soon. JAM is cranking at it to get it in though. It was supposed to be this week, but holidays have delayed him a little bit. Once it IS in stock, I'll be the first to have some :evil:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

dabuffguy said:
Monsterdrol definitely gives better size and strength than Havoc. Having used both, I can testify to that without a doubt.

I would even option for P-Plex bro. You could stack P-plex at 30 mg and monsterdrol at 30mg for a 60mg combo with dermacrine.

*Notice guys, I usually do not suggest high doses like this, but Alcatraz is an advanced oral user.*

According to JAM, P-Plex is arguably as strong as monsterdrol with more mass gains, but is not all lean. You may hold water.


You will definitely get the best mass gains from stacking these two. And along with demacrine, you will be in good shape. 25 lbs is a huge gain, and the only way you'll reach it is with holding water.


Monsterdrol is NOT in stock yet, but soon. JAM is cranking at it to get it in though. It was supposed to be this week, but holidays have delayed him a little bit. Once it IS in stock, I'll be the first to have some :evil:
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Unless I get my order in first!!!!!:biggrin:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

dabuffguy said:
Monsterdrol definitely gives better size and strength than Havoc. Having used both, I can testify to that without a doubt.

I would even option for P-Plex bro. You could stack P-plex at 30 mg and monsterdrol at 30mg for a 60mg combo with dermacrine.

*Notice guys, I usually do not suggest high doses like this, but Alcatraz is an advanced oral user.*

According to JAM, P-Plex is arguably as strong as monsterdrol with more mass gains, but is not all lean. You may hold water.


You will definitely get the best mass gains from stacking these two. And along with demacrine, you will be in good shape. 25 lbs is a huge gain, and the only way you'll reach it is with holding water.


Monsterdrol is NOT in stock yet, but soon. JAM is cranking at it to get it in though. It was supposed to be this week, but holidays have delayed him a little bit. Once it IS in stock, I'll be the first to have some :evil:
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Hmm...

I like it.

I'm going to stack some Pplex with some Monsterdrol and dermacrine.

I just got some shit for cycle support

PCT would be sustain alpha. May upgrade to Test recovery stack.

May probably need to buy two of each to last 8 weeks, or should 1 of each be enough? :evil: lol
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
Hmm...

I like it.

I'm going to stack some Pplex with some Monsterdrol and dermacrine.

I just got some shit for cycle support

PCT would be sustain alpha. May upgrade to Test recovery stack.

May probably need to buy two of each to last 8 weeks, or should 1 of each be enough? :evil: lol
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yeah, you'll need two bottles of each for 8 weeks.

since the new monsterdrol batch will be 10mg per capsule, you will have 30 days at 30mg/day.

same goes for pplex. run 3 a day and you'll need 2 bottles to get 60 days, or 8 1/2 weeks.

yummy:D
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

dabuffguy said:
yeah, you'll need two bottles of each for 8 weeks.

since the new monsterdrol batch will be 10mg per capsule, you will have 30 days at 30mg/day.

same goes for pplex. run 3 a day and you'll need 2 bottles to get 60 days, or 8 1/2 weeks.

yummy:D
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Is Pplex in stock? (what does it resemble in aas?)

How soon will Monsterdrol be in stock? <--- What's a good replacement for overall strength + mass increase...I don't want to wait tbh.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Your gonna do some damage with all the shit you take. Just because someone is advanced doesnt mean that they wont have more sides. The more you take the more sides you have. Long term steroid usage is why a lot of people have heart attacks, strokes, etc. Jus be careful with all the shit you take and maybe take time off without taking anything and not being so obsessed with working out. Not flaming you bro but i just see a lot of guys that take shit for a long time and then say "my liver is used to that shit". Not really a smart thing to say. Your liver doesnt get used to that shit. Im only 19 so my advice is probably worhtless and imo your fucking huge i dont know how big ur trying to get, but its your life. Good luck
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

immebz said:
Your gonna do some damage with all the shit you take. Just because someone is advanced doesnt mean that they wont have more sides. The more you take the more sides you have. Long term steroid usage is why a lot of people have heart attacks, strokes, etc. Jus be careful with all the shit you take and maybe take time off without taking anything and not being so obsessed with working out. Not flaming you bro but i just see a lot of guys that take shit for a long time and then say "my liver is used to that shit". Not really a smart thing to say. Your liver doesnt get used to that shit. Im only 19 so my advice is probably worhtless and imo your fucking huge i dont know how big ur trying to get, but its your life. Good luck
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Thank you for your concern bro...your advice is not worthless, everyone has an opinion and I take everyone's opinion into consideration

Yes, you are right...too much will fuck up your liver even if you're an advanced user

The above is NOT too much though...it is if it's your first time on orals, but if you've been doing orals for a while (I've done over 10 anadrol only cycles <--- very toxic) then you know your body can take it...I always take time off also and get proper PCT <--- this is key to recovery and keeping gains

Thank you for your concern, but trust that I know how to handle myself and I've been doing this for a long time ;)
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
Thank you for your concern bro...your advice is not worthless, everyone has an opinion and I take everyone's opinion into consideration

Yes, you are right...too much will fuck up your liver even if you're an advanced user

The above is NOT too much though...it is if it's your first time on orals, but if you've been doing orals for a while (I've done over 10 anadrol only cycles <--- very toxic) then you know your body can take it...I always take time off also and get proper PCT <--- this is key to recovery and keeping gains

Thank you for your concern, but trust that I know how to handle myself and I've been doing this for a long time ;)
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Aint gonna argue with you on that one - you obviously look like you know what you're doing. Let me know how it goes bro it would be interesting to see how a huge guy like you would make gains just with OTC supps.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

immebz said:
Aint gonna argue with you on that one - you obviously look like you know what you're doing. Let me know how it goes bro it would be interesting to see how a huge guy like you would make gains just with OTC supps.
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I just finished a Monsterdrol only cycle. Gained 4-5 lbs of mostly lean muscle in 6 weeks. Not too shabby. Strength was through the roof and I looked a lot more vascular and full.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Stacking P-plex and monster together might be too much on the liver seriously. Both are the top dogs as far as sides go in the oral methyls. cyclotren and P-plex together will be much safer and will make you a fucking beast. P-plex=dbol and cyclotren=tren.Cyclotren gives more strength than anything and very hard muscles and vascularity with an almost thermogenic effect,you will be sweating your ass off.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

If you want the most insane size with water included go with cyclotren and p-plex stack that we have put together or even Icon and P-lex. Thats giving you the most size with out pushing the envelope too far against your health.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Just Add Muscle said:
If you want the most insane size with water included go with cyclotren and p-plex stack that we have put together or even Icon and P-lex. Thats giving you the most size with out pushing the envelope too far against your health.
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What's Icon bro?

I think I'm going with this:

1-8 Cyclotren
1-4 P-Plex
5-8 Monsterdrol

Unless Icon is something sek-c, then I may include that someohow or replace something with it.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

JAM, looking at your website, there are so many different options, that I'm really not sure what to go with.

What's the differece between the P-Plex and the Pheravol?

How about the Havoc?

I need "the best proven" stack for mass, strength and vascularity
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
I just finished a Monsterdrol only cycle. Gained 4-5 lbs of mostly lean muscle in 6 weeks. Not too shabby. Strength was through the roof and I looked a lot more vascular and full.
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I loved my monsterdrol/cyclotren cycle! Can't wait to use monsterdrol again as a jumpstart to my test eth. cycle!
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
JAM, looking at your website, there are so many different options, that I'm really not sure what to go with.

What's the differece between the P-Plex and the Pheravol?

How about the Havoc?

I need "the best proven" stack for mass, strength and vascularity
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P-plex,Pheraplex,Pheravol,Pheramass all = same ingredient.
Havoc is more of a lean gains product. P-plex or all of the above are most similar to dbol.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
What's Icon bro?

I think I'm going with this:

1-8 Cyclotren
1-4 P-Plex
5-8 Monsterdrol

Unless Icon is something sek-c, then I may include that someohow or replace something with it.
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That's a better option. I didn't consider cyclotren, shame on me.

The above cycle you proposed would be sick.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

dabuffguy said:
That's a better option. I didn't consider cyclotren, shame on me.

The above cycle you proposed would be sick.
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yeh, JAM helped me out with setting this one out.

I'll probably order these by tonight.

I still need to order sustain alpha from Pp as well. Might get a couple (1-3) depending on what I'm willing to do after that.

Will make a thread to track my progress as soon as I have all products on hand.

I'm going to take about 3 more weeks off before I start this next cycle.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

I stopped my cyclobolan/cyclotren stack cuz i got sick for the last 2 weeks...I think when I restart Im going to do Monster/CycloTren...and save the cyclobolan for later, chewing those things was getting annoying just after 3 days lol...

-Legacy
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

DJLegacy2k1 said:
I stopped my cyclobolan/cyclotren stack cuz i got sick for the last 2 weeks...I think when I restart Im going to do Monster/CycloTren...and save the cyclobolan for later, chewing those things was getting annoying just after 3 days lol...

-Legacy
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chewing? :confused:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

That cycle should be sick bro! I'm starting my Cyclotren/Monsterdrol/ 1-T cycle Monday 12/1...

I was gonna start on Nov17th ( can you imagine...i've been setting on product this long!)...but my Dr put me on TRT with Testim, so I've been waiting to start to after my follow up, and follow up blood work...hoping to go on 200mg + Test E a week instead of the Testim,

Changing diet up a bit too...gonna try the Ananabolic Diet...debating if I should wait till after cycle.....I've been eating pretty low carb for awhile...So I think it will be an easy change...

you starting a log bro??? Ya gotta post some before and after photos so all the bros can see the befits of this legal cycle!

Your already a Beast bro...your gonna look kick after this!!:biggrin:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
chewing? :confused:
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Yeah Cyclobolan is Sublingual. Gotta chew them up and hold them under your tounge...it was getting a little annoying lol.

So I think ima do Monster/Cyclotren starting today. 20mg/105mg to start.

-Legacy
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Black Boxster said:
That cycle should be sick bro! I'm starting my Cyclotren/Monsterdrol/ 1-T cycle Monday 12/1...

I was gonna start on Nov17th ( can you imagine...i've been setting on product this long!)...but my Dr put me on TRT with Testim, so I've been waiting to start to after my follow up, and follow up blood work...hoping to go on 200mg + Test E a week instead of the Testim,

Changing diet up a bit too...gonna try the Ananabolic Diet...debating if I should wait till after cycle.....I've been eating pretty low carb for awhile...So I think it will be an easy change...

you starting a log bro??? Ya gotta post some before and after photos so all the bros can see the befits of this legal cycle!

Your already a Beast bro...your gonna look kick after this!!:biggrin:
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Starting this cycle after mid December. I may wait until January. Not sure.
Either way, I'll keep a log :evil:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

DJLegacy2k1 said:
Yeah Cyclobolan is Sublingual. Gotta chew them up and hold them under your tounge...it was getting a little annoying lol.

So I think ima do Monster/Cyclotren starting today. 20mg/105mg to start.

-Legacy
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I hope the 105 mgs was a typo :worried:
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

the_alcatraz said:
I hope the 105 mgs was a typo :worried:
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Haha Cyclotren is different than the Methyl's bro. You need more mg to get the desired results because your liver filters most of the actives. Each Cyclotren cap was 35mg.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Im starting at 20mg ed monster today. is that enough or should I bump to 30mg? that would be 6 caps monster (5mg) and 3 caps Cyclotren ED.

-Legacy
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

DJLegacy2k1 said:
Im starting at 20mg ed monster today. is that enough or should I bump to 30mg? that would be 6 caps monster (5mg) and 3 caps Cyclotren ED.

-Legacy
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I'd start at 20mg ed and work my way up to 30mgs ed.
 
Re: What do you guys propose for my next cycle from JAM & Pp?

Ill run some 1-t for you when I get it and let you know how awesome it is!....does that make you jealous?! lol Just kidding!

-Legacy
 
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