low vs. high doses

[eddymerckx]

I see allot of people running what I think are extremely high doses anymore. 1g - 2g of test a week, I had to back down from 750 to 500. I would like to go an experiment with 1g sometime. NOt anytime in the near future though...

Is there really that many benefits to running gear that high?

For example my first cycle was 250sust/200deca/10dbol. I made super gains, now this could have been because it was my first cycle.

For you guys that have ran deca at different doses how can one compare the gains of say 300-600mg a week?
Is the difference that much greater for the need of twice the gear? Or are these high dose cycles just over kill?

Is it cost-effective?

Why does one choose to run so high? Is it because they have tried low dose and it just didn't get them the results they wanted. Or is it more because they see posts of guys running 1g test and 800mg deca?

IMHO--it is like everything else in this world is x is good xx must be better (from a genetic standpoint xx is the only way to go)....and that logic is so flawed--and when drugs are concerned, not even funny.

you identifed the key question: "because they have tried low dose and it just didn't get them the results they wanted."..............this is the easy fix instead of learning more about training methods to break through plateaus, nor do they usually have the correct diet for what they want--instead they say they want to gain "x" pounds (which may or may not be reasonable--everyone is different) and if the gain a few less the dose did not work.....just plain dumb.

 

[stbizzle]

I'll be running a bulker here this winter, I'm trying to decide weather to run the deca at 300 or 600. It's not going to be a waste of money because it's already paid for anyways.

 

[eddymerckx]

I'll be running a bulker here this winter, I'm trying to decide weather to run the Decca at 300 or 600. It's not going to be a waste of money because it's already paid for anyways.

you are on the right track---you already noticed that only some bros go crazy with high doses, so try it at 400---i know many many bros (except me--over a couple of hundred and I bloat like a the stay-puff marshmallow man) who have awesome results from that dose (and very few who complain of deca dick at 400).

 

[stbizzle]

you are on the right track---you already noticed that only some bros go crazy with high doses, so try it at 400---i know many many bros (except me--over a couple of hundred and I bloat like a the stay-puff marshmallow man) who have awesome results from that dose (and very few who complain of deca dick at 400).

thank you I bloat as well, my going to attempt to really clean up my diet this time around and see if that takes a away from the bloat. My face will blow up like a balloon....

 

[stbizzle]

To examine the relationship between testosterone dose and muscle performance, 61 healthy, eugonadal young men (aged 18–35 yr) were randomized to 1 of 5 groups, each receiving a long-acting GnRH agonist to suppress endogenous testosterone production plus weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg testosterone enanthate for 20 wk.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/co...INDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

 

[Burpees]

sounds like a plan...if sides were as bad as everyone says my liver would of fell out last cycle along with kidney failure...suppose tren is so toxic at 10 wks your body is destroyed...got bloodwork done and doc said my liver kidneys were perfect nothing was elevated at all...
my bp stays around 115/60 even at a gram of test not counting whatever else is in the mix

yup i'm 100% with you.. bp is fine, feel great, i donated blood and they took it (they don't if your lipids are out of whack). but whatever.. hehe.. i liked this thread.

and to the dude that got moon face on a gram, you need to run an ai at that dose.. no way in hell you wont have a bunch of conversion.. 0.5 of Adex every 3rd day (or the night before I inject the next morn) is plenty.. I'm dry as fuck actually..

 

[HAYEZ]

yup i'm 100% with you.. bp is fine, feel great, i donated blood and they took it (they don't if your lipids are out of whack). but whatever.. hehe.. i liked this thread.

and to the dude that got moon face on a gram, you need to run an ai at that dose.. no way in hell you wont have a bunch of conversion.. 0.5 of Adex every 3rd day (or the night before I inject the next morn) is plenty.. I'm dry as fuck actually..

yup...people spread nonsence and use scare tactics but they have never even done the doses before...just repeating what someone else said... i know how i feel if something goes out of wack then you adjust the dose...not rocket science..i usually put on about 8-10 pound of bloat first week or 2..after that start on ai and good to go..
if i go out drinking the next day my bp is around 130 or so...during a cycle never will it get that high...

 

[stbizzle]

yup...people spread nonsence and use scare tactics but they have never even done the doses before...just repeating what someone else said... i know how i feel if something goes out of wack then you adjust the dose...not rocket science..i usually put on about 8-10 pound of bloat first week or 2..after that start on ai and good to go..
if i go out drinking the next day my bp is around 130 or so...during a cycle never will it get that high...

do you feel like ai's take away form your gains? I ran some ldex a few years ago and decided I'd never use that stuff with my cycle again.

 

[captainahole]

I like keeping my test very moderate. Keeps me sensible. But run my anabolics quite a bit higher. just ended
1cc prop eod
1 cc deconate eod
500mg eq weekly

5 iu of gh daily
and had great results.

I did start with 50mb tbol daily for 5 weeks

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

do you feel like ai's take away form your gains? I ran some ldex a few years ago and decided I'd never use that stuff with my cycle again.

too many AI's will def hinder gains
too much estrogen supression and your size and strength gains will plateau
estrogen is needed for building mass and strength
keeping a steady level and controlled amounts of estrogen is what i try to do