low vs. high doses

[stbizzle]

I see allot of people running what I think are extremely high doses anymore. 1g - 2g of test a week, I had to back down from 750 to 500. I would like to go an experiment with 1g sometime. NOt anytime in the near future though...

Is there really that many benefits to running gear that high?

For example my first cycle was 250sust/200deca/10dbol. I made super gains, now this could have been because it was my first cycle.

For you guys that have ran deca at different doses how can one compare the gains of say 300-600mg a week?
Is the difference that much greater for the need of twice the gear? Or are these high dose cycles just over kill?

Is it cost-effective?

Why does one choose to run so high? Is it because they have tried low dose and it just didn't get them the results they wanted. Or is it more because they see posts of guys running 1g test and 800mg deca?

 

[Burpees]

I started at 500, worked up to 750, then moved to 1000, even ran at 1100 of just test a week. My tren dose went from 300mg a week to 700mg a week. I stopped feeling that "im on" around week 5 or 6 of each dose, so I bumped it up. It doesn't seem to make things work faster, in fact i feel like it just makes normalizing blood levels harder at this point..so much shit just floating around converting.. im no scientist though.

 

[OneBreath]

I bumped up my test to 1 gram for a few weeks once, all i got was a big fat round case of moonface.

IMO, unless you are planning on competing there is no reason to go above 500 mg per week. With proper diet and training that is PLENTY of gear.

Moderation.

 

[HAYEZ]

ya extremely high...
funny how its actually a low amount of people that do low dose cycles...

my currect cycle
frontloading until test and deca start kicking in
165 prop ed
125 tren ed

once test / deca kick in
1000 test e ew
600 deca ew
50-100mg tren ed
im sure ill be in a coma soon , according to the 250 a wk test cyclers i may already have had a stroke and didnt know it cause im so high on the jooosssee

and no i dont compete for anything other the vagina

 

[atown777]

Jesus Christ Hayez that is a fucking shit load of Tren combined with a gram of test a week? If you dont weigh over 230 starting this cycle that is just a waste of $$$ and your health IMO. Your body can only process so much gear at a time. What it can't use is just wasted. Why waste precious muscle bulding hormones? Have you ever ran that high a dose of tren before? If your back doesnt break out in serious red painful boils then you will be one lucky son of a bitch. Your gonna need some drano to unclog your fucking arteries.

 

[HAYEZ]

Jesus Christ Hayez that is a fucking shit load of Tren combined with a gram of test a week? If you dont weigh over 230 starting this cycle that is just a waste of $$$ and your health IMO. Your body can only process so much gear at a time. What it can't use is just wasted. Why waste precious muscle bulding hormones? Have you ever ran that high a dose of tren before? If your back doesnt break out in serious red painful boils then you will be one lucky son of a bitch. Your gonna need some drano to unclog your fucking arteries.

ive done 125 eod for 6 out of the last 10 weeks...ive been 125 ed for almost 2 weeks now....no sides other then insomnia at night..just had bloodwork after 10 weeks and everythign was perfect so im good to go...
i ment to put 50-100 mg ed tren during cycle...play out how i feel and go from there...and yes ran gram of test before and its not a big deal.. my bp never goes up and i get 1 or 2 zits every now and then....and i dont lose hair...sides are over rated

 

[OneBreath]

ya extremely high...
funny how its actually a low amount of people that do low dose cycles...

my currect cycle
frontloading until test and deca start kicking in
165 prop ed
125 tren ed

once test / deca kick in
1000 test e ew
600 deca ew
100mg tren ed
im sure ill be in a coma soon , according to the 250 a wk test cyclers i may already have had a stroke and didnt know it cause im so high on the jooosssee

and no i dont compete for anything other the vagina

Whoa, i preceded with IMO. I was just giving a response to the question. What you do with your body is up to you.

Best of luck in your vaginal quest

 

[HAYEZ]

Whoa, i preceded with IMO. I was just giving a response to the question. What you do with your body is up to you.

Best of luck in your vaginal quest

lol not a prob bro!! i put it in there comedy

 

[FunFun]

...sides are over rated

Only up until you get them. Your sides may end up putting you out of business in one foul swoop.

Good luck! (you need it)

 

[HAYEZ]

Only up until you get them. Your sides may end up putting you out of business in one foul swoop.

Good luck! (you need it)

sounds like a plan...if sides were as bad as everyone says my liver would of fell out last cycle along with kidney failure...suppose tren is so toxic at 10 wks your body is destroyed...got bloodwork done and doc said my liver kidneys were perfect nothing was elevated at all...
my bp stays around 115/60 even at a gram of test not counting whatever else is in the mix

 

[eddymerckx]

I see allot of people running what I think are extremely high doses anymore. 1g - 2g of test a week, I had to back down from 750 to 500. I would like to go an experiment with 1g sometime. NOt anytime in the near future though...

Is there really that many benefits to running gear that high?

For example my first cycle was 250sust/200deca/10dbol. I made super gains, now this could have been because it was my first cycle.

For you guys that have ran deca at different doses how can one compare the gains of say 300-600mg a week?
Is the difference that much greater for the need of twice the gear? Or are these high dose cycles just over kill?

Is it cost-effective?

Why does one choose to run so high? Is it because they have tried low dose and it just didn't get them the results they wanted. Or is it more because they see posts of guys running 1g test and 800mg deca?

IMHO--it is like everything else in this world is x is good xx must be better (from a genetic standpoint xx is the only way to go)....and that logic is so flawed--and when drugs are concerned, not even funny.

you identifed the key question: "because they have tried low dose and it just didn't get them the results they wanted."..............this is the easy fix instead of learning more about training methods to break through plateaus, nor do they usually have the correct diet for what they want--instead they say they want to gain "x" pounds (which may or may not be reasonable--everyone is different) and if the gain a few less the dose did not work.....just plain dumb.

 

[stbizzle]

I'll be running a bulker here this winter, I'm trying to decide weather to run the deca at 300 or 600. It's not going to be a waste of money because it's already paid for anyways.

 

[eddymerckx]

I'll be running a bulker here this winter, I'm trying to decide weather to run the Decca at 300 or 600. It's not going to be a waste of money because it's already paid for anyways.

you are on the right track---you already noticed that only some bros go crazy with high doses, so try it at 400---i know many many bros (except me--over a couple of hundred and I bloat like a the stay-puff marshmallow man) who have awesome results from that dose (and very few who complain of deca dick at 400).

 

[stbizzle]

you are on the right track---you already noticed that only some bros go crazy with high doses, so try it at 400---i know many many bros (except me--over a couple of hundred and I bloat like a the stay-puff marshmallow man) who have awesome results from that dose (and very few who complain of deca dick at 400).

thank you I bloat as well, my going to attempt to really clean up my diet this time around and see if that takes a away from the bloat. My face will blow up like a balloon....

 

[stbizzle]

To examine the relationship between testosterone dose and muscle performance, 61 healthy, eugonadal young men (aged 18–35 yr) were randomized to 1 of 5 groups, each receiving a long-acting GnRH agonist to suppress endogenous testosterone production plus weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg testosterone enanthate for 20 wk.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/co...INDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

 

[Burpees]

sounds like a plan...if sides were as bad as everyone says my liver would of fell out last cycle along with kidney failure...suppose tren is so toxic at 10 wks your body is destroyed...got bloodwork done and doc said my liver kidneys were perfect nothing was elevated at all...
my bp stays around 115/60 even at a gram of test not counting whatever else is in the mix

yup i'm 100% with you.. bp is fine, feel great, i donated blood and they took it (they don't if your lipids are out of whack). but whatever.. hehe.. i liked this thread.

and to the dude that got moon face on a gram, you need to run an ai at that dose.. no way in hell you wont have a bunch of conversion.. 0.5 of Adex every 3rd day (or the night before I inject the next morn) is plenty.. I'm dry as fuck actually..

 

[HAYEZ]

yup i'm 100% with you.. bp is fine, feel great, i donated blood and they took it (they don't if your lipids are out of whack). but whatever.. hehe.. i liked this thread.

and to the dude that got moon face on a gram, you need to run an ai at that dose.. no way in hell you wont have a bunch of conversion.. 0.5 of Adex every 3rd day (or the night before I inject the next morn) is plenty.. I'm dry as fuck actually..

yup...people spread nonsence and use scare tactics but they have never even done the doses before...just repeating what someone else said... i know how i feel if something goes out of wack then you adjust the dose...not rocket science..i usually put on about 8-10 pound of bloat first week or 2..after that start on ai and good to go..
if i go out drinking the next day my bp is around 130 or so...during a cycle never will it get that high...

 

[stbizzle]

yup...people spread nonsence and use scare tactics but they have never even done the doses before...just repeating what someone else said... i know how i feel if something goes out of wack then you adjust the dose...not rocket science..i usually put on about 8-10 pound of bloat first week or 2..after that start on ai and good to go..
if i go out drinking the next day my bp is around 130 or so...during a cycle never will it get that high...

do you feel like ai's take away form your gains? I ran some ldex a few years ago and decided I'd never use that stuff with my cycle again.

 

[captainahole]

I like keeping my test very moderate. Keeps me sensible. But run my anabolics quite a bit higher. just ended
1cc prop eod
1 cc deconate eod
500mg eq weekly

5 iu of gh daily
and had great results.

I did start with 50mb tbol daily for 5 weeks

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

do you feel like ai's take away form your gains? I ran some ldex a few years ago and decided I'd never use that stuff with my cycle again.

too many AI's will def hinder gains
too much estrogen supression and your size and strength gains will plateau
estrogen is needed for building mass and strength
keeping a steady level and controlled amounts of estrogen is what i try to do

 

[swole]

i'd be huge out of this world if i did a gram per week

going on my 3rd cycle and never needed to go above 300 test and 400 primo

now i'm trying something different but test won't be above 200 and no other compound will be above 400

i don't understand how anyone under 220 doesn't grow off even 200mg of test - i was bridging with 200mg of cyp EW and was still growing

granted if you're HUGE and on all year you might need to gradually increase the dose but by gradually i don't mean after 6 weeks

maybe 3-4 months

you want to build quality mass that will stay? lengthen your cycles a bit and keep the doses lower

you think arnold did a gram of test per week? or do you want to look like markus? I'd love to see pics of the people who do over a gram per week

 

[Varga]

not this question again....LOL

 

[swole]

pay attention @ :06



lollol

 

[fitzchivalry]

i'd be huge out of this world if i did a gram per week

going on my 3rd cycle and never needed to go above 300 test and 400 primo

now i'm trying something different but test won't be above 200 and no other compound will be above 400

i don't understand how anyone under 220 doesn't grow off even 200mg of test - i was bridging with 200mg of cyp EW and was still growing

granted if you're HUGE and on all year you might need to gradually increase the dose but by gradually i don't mean after 6 weeks

maybe 3-4 months

you want to build quality mass that will stay? lengthen your cycles a bit and keep the doses lower

you think arnold did a gram of test per week? or do you want to look like markus? I'd love to see pics of the people who do over a gram per week

I'm on TRT at 200 week (for a bit than doc will lower it) and my boss (work at a gym) recently asked me if I'm on steroids because if I was she'd have to fire me the gains have been so noticeable.

 

[OneBreath]

pay attention @ :06



lollol

 

[swole]

lol i wasn't talking about anyone on this forum in particular

but it's something i'd like to say to some juicers i know in person

 

[OneBreath]

lol i wasn't talking about anyone on this forum in particular

but it's something i'd like to say to some juicers i know in person

I was watching this at work with the volume up a tad too loud. I wasn't expecting him to start screaming. I almost lost it.

I hear you, i think nelson went on a rant about it a few weeks ago.

 

[HAYEZ]

I'm on TRT at 200 week (for a bit than doc will lower it) and my boss (work at a gym) recently asked me if I'm on steroids because if I was she'd have to fire me the gains have been so noticeable.

im sure you would have some gains if you went from low testostrone to jumping to the peak of your range...doesnt apply to anyone outside of your situation though

 

[Varga]

i'd be huge out of this world if i did a gram per week

going on my 3rd cycle and never needed to go above 300 test and 400 primo

now i'm trying something different but test won't be above 200 and no other compound will be above 400

i don't understand how anyone under 220 doesn't grow off even 200mg of test - i was bridging with 200mg of cyp EW and was still growing

granted if you're HUGE and on all year you might need to gradually increase the dose but by gradually i don't mean after 6 weeks

maybe 3-4 months

you want to build quality mass that will stay? lengthen your cycles a bit and keep the doses lower

you think arnold did a gram of test per week? or do you want to look like markus? I'd love to see pics of the people who do over a gram per week

I think you have a good point with dosages bro, but 220 is based on height too. If you 6ft tall it makes a lot more sense than being 5'6" for example.
And yes, as you get more experienced and bigger you need more juice. That's what I noticed over the years...as I got bigger I need it more to grow. More juice, more weights in the gym and more food. They all go up. I think you cam def milk the low dosages for a year or two and it's no time limit either, when you need more to grow then up the dosage.