Cycle talk and the great nolva debate

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Yes steves post.

 

[stevesmi]

also i left out that nolva should never be run with a progestin because it will increase the chances of progestin related sides like gyno.

so that throws out deca, NPP, tren, parabolan, etc out of the equation right off the bat.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Not to mention nolva can cause blood clots in your legs/lungs. AAS increases blood volume and sometimes thickens too does it not? Sound like a good idea?


Hcg is bad on pct because its suppressive. SInce you have been back you may or may not have seen everyone recommending unleashed and hcgenerate. Theres a reason for it. They work. I dont pimp supps for anybody, period. But I can tell you from much experience they work.

1) Unleashed (for increasing free t)

2) Hc generate ( for continuing the effects of HCG plus more benefits during PCT without supression)

3) 25mg clomid if clomid is your bag.

4) HCG blasting pre pct

5) Aromasin. (better than Adex and letro is way harsh for any reason ever except combatting gyno thats forming.

6) HMG. If you can find it its great.

This is what I would do. If you can get another natty test booster that you know works it will do nothing but help you.

 

[Tbone1974]

Why are all the supplement co's not capitalising on this? I can only find HcGenerate on one site in the Uk and its 60 fuckin quid. With very little info. I can get 2 bottles of Test for that price.
Surley these companies should be all over this shit?
And while we're at it. What the fuck is Bridge?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ hcgenerate is one of a kind man you won't see it sold in retail stores except the NTBM store itself. they do sell things with similar ingredients though, but they are more expensive and have more fillers and are less powerful.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Taking nolva when you don't have gyno is like taking penicillin when you don't have an infection. Yet some people take penicillin (and some doctors prescribe it) for a cold (which is a virus) and think it helps. Go figure.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Taking nolva when you don't have gyno is like taking penicillin when you don't have an infection. Yet some people take penicillin (and some doctors prescribe it) for a cold (which is a virus) and think it helps. Go figure.

The mind and placebo effect are an amazing thing.

 

[alcatraz1662]

here is the thing with the old clomid/nolva pct where you ran no ancillaries during and then waited for pct to bring hormones back into place.

they work at crashing your estrogen which in theory would allow your body to rebound.. we know that high estrogen makes it difficult for the body to recover.

BUT what if i told you that you didn't have to worry about high estrogen because you covered all bases during cycle and didn't let your bodies estrogen to sky high?

so why not run forma during which controls estrogen. if you run tren cover the prolactin with caber/prami . use hcgenerate to keep the nuts plump. then use hcg and/or HMG to blast before your pct which will go after your LH.

so now when you enter pct your LH is bouncing, your estrogen is in check, your prolacin is in check (if applicable), your nuts are plump and ready to go. so now do you think you need to run nolva? the answer is absolutely not.

pct isn't just about what you run for pct, but its about how what you run going into pct and during cycle.

so now instead of nolva/clomid for pct. lets make the body feel good so you don't lose that ON feeling. lets run some DAA, maybe some unleashed, post cycle.. phystoserms etc. and then you can top it off with a low dose of clomid.. under 25mg a day.

great input, sir. exactly what i'm looking for...it seems regurgitated information passed on generation to generation is how nolva gained it's popularity.

but if nolva is so in-effective as a pct drug, how has it become a staple amongst the bodybuilding world?...not just with what you hear on the internet, but throughout college and the military nolva was everywhere in my experiences. with as much research that has been put into improving the human physique how is it that this is coming out 'fairly' recently? i'm sure ppl have known about this long before but this is the first i've learned this much.

sorry for the stupid question...old dog, new tricks

~Alc

 

[alcatraz1662]

Not to mention nolva can cause blood clots in your legs/lungs. AAS increases blood volume and sometimes thickens too does it not? Sound like a good idea?


Hcg is bad on pct because its suppressive. SInce you have been back you may or may not have seen everyone recommending unleashed and hcgenerate. Theres a reason for it. They work. I dont pimp supps for anybody, period. But I can tell you from much experience they work.

1) Unleashed (for increasing free t)

2) Hc generate ( for continuing the effects of HCG plus more benefits during PCT without supression)

3) 25mg clomid if clomid is your bag.

4) HCG blasting pre pct

5) Aromasin. (better than Adex and letro is way harsh for any reason ever except combatting gyno thats forming.

6) HMG. If you can find it its great.

This is what I would do. If you can get another natty test booster that you know works it will do nothing but help you.

hcg and clomid were always a fave for me...letro came in when gyno started appearing. never noticed much of a difference w/ natty t boosters, but i'd be willing to give something for a run these days...thanks for the input brother.

 

[stevesmi]

great input, sir. exactly what i'm looking for...it seems regurgitated information passed on generation to generation is how nolva gained it's popularity.

but if nolva is so in-effective as a pct drug, how has it become a staple amongst the bodybuilding world?...not just with what you hear on the internet, but throughout college and the military nolva was everywhere in my experiences. with as much research that has been put into improving the human physique how is it that this is coming out 'fairly' recently? i'm sure ppl have known about this long before but this is the first i've learned this much.

sorry for the stupid question...old dog, new tricks

~Alc

I think its because its cheap and it does a great job of crippling estrogen. so guys use it. its very effective at crippling estrogen, i never denied it wasn't. but if you cover all bases properly during as i said before you won't need it ... i used it early in my juicing career and stopped because i hated the way i felt on it, the new pct i use now i recover even better and i feel good. clomid also made me feel awful even at 50mg a day, so now i recommend guys run it no more than 25mg a day or even EOD. my last pct i did not use clomid and recovered fine without it. so i am starting to get away from using these drugs and i think my body is healthier for it. the less drugs the better right?

i know a breast cancer patient who got put on it and she absolutely hates it. why her doc gave her it has to be because of cost, cause there are far better breast cancer drugs out there with way less sides. i told her to ask her doc for something else and we talked about how bodybuilders use nolva as well, she was very surprised that i knew so much about it lol. she has to stay on it for 5 years to help prevent the cancer from coming back.. does it work for that? yes it works pretty well, but the poor lady feels like shit on it, going 5 years straight on a drug that makes you feel like shit is a bad way to live

i'm definately not an expert on nolva, Nelson is far more knowledgeable on it... but i can only tell you my experiences using it vs. not using it. i think with the use of AI's and HCG prior to pct, nolva and clomid are just not necessary anymore like they used to be.