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VRuler

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Hi,

I want to start my first cycle and I need some advice.

First, my stats:
24years old
165lbl / 5 ft 9''
12-15% bf (don't know for sure)
5 years of training

I work out 5 times/week, I have a good diet, count my calories/nutrients but I gain weight very hard.

The cycle I initially wanted to start was this:
1-14Test C 600mg/WK
1-12 Deca 400mg/WK
1-4 Anadrol 100mg/ED
1-4 Test Suspension 50 mg ED 2 hours before workout
9-15 Dbol 40mg/ED
1-19 Aromasin 12.5 mg/ EOD
1-12 Cabergoline .5mg/Twice Weekly

PCT
16 100mg Clomid ED
17 100mg Clomid ED
18 75mg Clomid ED
19 50mg Clomid ED

It might be to much as a 'first cycle'. I only got the anadrol so far so, if possible, I would like to include that in my cycle.
My goal is to gain at least 10lb of lean mass.

Thanks,
Valy
 
These gorillas are gonna bash you for that cycle, i feel it coming. I am only day 6 into my virgin-cycle. (test e., 500mg/week)

I would recommend just using Testosterone for your first cycle for a couple reasons. 1) it is usually the foundation steroid for all future cycles and 2) you need to know how your body handles it. What if side effects start to appear at week 8... You have no idea which compound has caused it. Does that make sense?

The cycle you have described sounds very well put together, for an advanced user. Use your attention to detail and focus on developing a strict diet and workout routine for a test-only cycle.

Also, you should far exceed 10lbs lean muscle mass gained from a test e cycle. I'm shooting for 15-20lbs myself.
 
Seriously? That is way overkill. IF you run that much your first cycle you will fry your receptors and will always have to do big cycles. Start small bro. Test and maybe dbol to kickstart. Cycle length shouldn't be more than 12 weeks.

PCT is shit, read up on this site to learn how to do it or you can kiss your gains goodbye. Start small bro, 400 mg of test a week should be more than enough. You might want to hold off for a few months and get your diet and training in check as well, u seem abit small.
 
Wow you will be Wrecked off that bro for a first cycle when you clearly don't have a foundation at 165lbs 5ft 9"
Keep at it for another year or two and gain another 15lbs
 
Being that its a first post talking about a first cycle that is laid out as it is (way too advanced for a first timer) I'm suspecting someone on an alter fucking with us.
However, as overly advanced as it is for a first time it is laid out quite well. Although the pct is shit. You need more tools in the pct.
If its not a joke, (it happens) , just use 300mg test for a first time bro.


Hey criminal, you have been here what....a few hours? You gonna pollute everones threads with your pissing and moaning about all of us big bad douche bags here? Grow up kid.
 
To elaborate a bit..... Your setting your virgin receptors up for mega overkill. Your going to go out a first time and make them run on jet fuel. From then on you can't run on regular gas ever. Get it? Where do you go from jet fuel?
You start 300mg test wk. Eat and train right....bro you will gain 20-25 lb most likely. Easily keep 10-15(easily) with proper pct. But its all about diet and training bro. I'd hit the training and diet sections and post all your info and let them pick it apart to make sure your not selling yourself short.
 
VRuler said:
Hi,

I want to start my first cycle and I need some advice.

First, my stats:
24years old
165lbl / 5 ft 9''
12-15% bf (don't know for sure)
5 years of training

I work out 5 times/week, I have a good diet, count my calories/nutrients but I gain weight very hard.

The cycle I initially wanted to start was this:
1-14Test C 600mg/WK
1-12 Deca 400mg/WK
1-4 Anadrol 100mg/ED
1-4 Test Suspension 50 mg ED 2 hours before workout
9-15 Dbol 40mg/ED
1-19 Aromasin 12.5 mg/ EOD
1-12 Cabergoline .5mg/Twice Weekly

PCT
16 100mg Clomid ED
17 100mg Clomid ED
18 75mg Clomid ED
19 50mg Clomid ED

It might be to much as a 'first cycle'. I only got the anadrol so far so, if possible, I would like to include that in my cycle.
My goal is to gain at least 10lb of lean mass.

Thanks,
Valy
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Too much for a beginner. Run this minus the pct when you have 3+ cycles under your belt. For a first cycle test e with an oral kicker is more than enough. You have abombs so I will lay it out with that.

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-4 anadrol 50 mg day
1-4 n2guard
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 250 ius 2xs week

Pct week 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Daa
Forma

NTBM REP
 
joeblow12345 said:
Too much for a beginner. Run this minus the pct when you have 3+ cycles under your belt. For a first cycle test e with an oral kicker is more than enough. You have abombs so I will lay it out with that.

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-4 anadrol 50 mg day
1-4 n2guard
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 250 ius 2xs week

Pct week 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Daa
Forma

NTBM REP
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While I disagree with the test dose (can grow the same on less). Im on board. I would personally run hcgenerate throughout pct though. Unleashed during cycle is also a nice addition to get more out of your test.
Be ready bro, that anadrol may make you feel like dog shit.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
While I disagree with the test dose (can grow the same on less). Im on board. I would personally run hcgenerate throughout pct though. Unleashed during cycle is also a nice addition to get more out of your test.
Be ready bro, that anadrol may make you feel like dog shit.
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Agreed.. If he cant grow on a dose of 250 then he isnt doing it right.. Wouldnt it also be better to swap epistane instead of anadrol on a first cycle??
 
listen to these guys bro no need to rush into that cycle. just run test as suggested

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Evan Tipps said:
Agreed.. If he cant grow on a dose of 250 then he isnt doing it right.. Wouldnt it also be better to swap epistane instead of anadrol on a first cycle??
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Well if you want to be technical as fat as toxicity then yes. But he already has the adrol. He could even go 25mg adrol a day for 6 weeks alone just to get his feet wet. Then jump to test for cycle two.
 
VRuler said:
Hi,

I want to start my first cycle and I need some advice.

First, my stats:
24years old
165lbl / 5 ft 9''
12-15% bf (don't know for sure)
5 years of training

I work out 5 times/week, I have a good diet, count my calories/nutrients but I gain weight very hard.

The cycle I initially wanted to start was this:
1-14Test C 600mg/WK
1-12 Deca 400mg/WK
1-4 Anadrol 100mg/ED
1-4 Test Suspension 50 mg ED 2 hours before workout
9-15 Dbol 40mg/ED
1-19 Aromasin 12.5 mg/ EOD
1-12 Cabergoline .5mg/Twice Weekly

PCT
16 100mg Clomid ED
17 100mg Clomid ED
18 75mg Clomid ED
19 50mg Clomid ED

It might be to much as a 'first cycle'. I only got the anadrol so far so, if possible, I would like to include that in my cycle.
My goal is to gain at least 10lb of lean mass.

Thanks,
Valy
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First off this is awful, I'm srry but its true, if u make this your first cycle you will totally fry out your receptors.
Just run the test c at 300mg (ie 150mg Monday and 150mg Thursday) keep in mind less is more
As far as the anadrol test suspension and deca get rid of it.
If you really wanted to you could run the dbol at 40mg for the first 4 weeks while your waiting for the test to kick in. I would also recommend picking up some arimidex for on cycle usage
In regards to pct:
Run torem at 90,60,69,30 and clomid at 25mg alongside it
Run aromasim at 25mg a day
Get some d-aspartic acid and take 3g a day
Get an herbal test boaster (ie ntbm unleashed/post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
And finally get hcg run it at 500iu a day as well as 1000iu of vitamin e (this get rid if the suppression issues with hcg)
So this is what your cycle should look like
Week 1-12 Test c: 300mg split into bi weekly injections of 150mg
Week 1-4 dbol 40mg a day (optional)
Week 1-12 arimidex .5mg a day (if needed go up to 1mg a day)
Week 13-16 torem 90mg, 60mg, 60mg, 30mg a day
Week 13-16 clomid 25mg a day
Week 13-16 unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 13-16 d-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 13-16 aromasin 25mg a day
Week 13-15 hcg 500iu a day
Week 13-15 1000iu a day

As you can see your pct is much more elaborate then the actual cycle, that's cause it's the most important part of the cycle!
 
^^^^ hcg pre pct bro. Enough to get his nuts huge before pct. Switching to hcgenerate during pct will keep them there and aid in recovery without supression. 25mg aromasin is wayyyyyyy overkill. Especially during pct.


On cycle .5 mg adex ed is super overkill. Unless he is gyno prone he shouldn't even be running an a.I. on cycle at only 300mg wk. Even 500mg wk doesn't need .5mg ed unless you have gyno problems. Estrogen is your friend while on cycle. Kill too much and your joints will hurt, you will have sexual issues, you'll feel like shit.
He would be better off running 50-75mg proviron a day throughout to help lightly mediate estrogen.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
^^^^ hcg pre pct bro. Enough to get his nuts huge before pct. Switching to hcgenerate during pct will keep them there and aid in recovery without supression. 25mg aromasin is wayyyyyyy overkill. Especially during pct.


On cycle .5 mg adex ed is super overkill. Unless he is gyno prone he shouldn't even be running an a.I. on cycle at only 300mg wk. Even 500mg wk doesn't need .5mg ed unless you have gyno problems. Estrogen is your friend while on cycle. Kill too much and your joints will hurt, you will have sexual issues, you'll feel like shit.
He would be better off running 50-75mg proviron a day throughout to help lightly mediate estrogen.
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I have seen this opinion a lot on this forum about hcg on cycle vs during pct and it seems to work fine but I can't quite put my finger on it and yeah your right he would be fine with less aromasin I'm just sharing what has worked for clients I train and the reason I threw the adex in there is because of the dbol
 
infraredline said:
I have seen this opinion a lot on this forum about hcg on cycle vs during pct and it seems to work fine but I can't quite put my finger on it and yeah your right he would be fine with less aromasin I'm just sharing what has worked for clients I train and the reason I threw the adex in there is because of the dbol
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I can see the AI in there early due to a heavily aromatising oral. Some guys are just fine on 500mg test wk yet get itchy nips or puffy or whatever from dbol or adrol. That's a shitty situation.
Hcg is suppressive even if only a little. So it would be better served in the week or two prior to pct. Even if he didn't run it through the cycle. Hcgenerate really does work. It's awsome shit. Continuing that through pct is very beneficial. It could be used entirely in place of hcg but it gets pricey.
I like to heir on the side of caution with a.i's . They really can hurt gains if too much estro is taken away.
Proviron is a good choice because it creates great synergy with the test, mediated some estrogen and is non 17aa so its not liver toxic.
 
I also have proviron so should I include it in my cycle?
I'll start easy as you said.

Week 1-12 test c: 300mg split into bi weekly injections of 150mg
Week 1-4 dbol 40mg a day (optional)
Week 1-12 arimidex .5mg a day (if needed go up to 1mg a day)
Week 13-16 torem 90mg, 60mg, 60mg, 30mg a day
Week 13-16 clomid 25mg a day
Week 13-16 unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 13-16 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 13-16 aromasin 25mg a day
Week 13-15 hcg 500iu a day
Week 13-15 1000iu a day
 
VRuler said:
I also have proviron so should I include it in my cycle?
I'll start easy as you said.

Week 1-12 test c: 300mg split into bi weekly injections of 150mg
Week 1-4 dbol 40mg a day (optional)
Week 1-12 arimidex .5mg a day (if needed go up to 1mg a day)
Week 13-16 torem 90mg, 60mg, 60mg, 30mg a day
Week 13-16 clomid 25mg a day
Week 13-16 unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 13-16 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 13-16 aromasin 25mg a day
Week 13-15 hcg 500iu a day
Week 13-15 1000iu a day
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Yeah looks good I'm gonna agree with that other dude though in regards to the aromasin though so change aromasin to 12.5mg instead of 25 his reasoning makes sense
 
Too much anti estrogen bro while on cycle..5 mg adex ed is gonna butt fuck your gains. Your gonna feel like shit too. At only 300mg of test wk with your.proposed a.I. regiment you will have almost if no estrogen. That's bad bro. Do not run an ai during cycle unless you start to get gyno symptoms. Obviously have it handy.
Bro, a few months ago I ran 375mg test wk. I never run a.i. I tried 12.5mg aromasin eod. It was killing me. Even that was too much while on cycle. I dropped it and I noticed a huge difference.
 
Also bro.....do NOT run hcg during pct!!!! It IS suppressive period. You use hcg in the two weeks between your last pin of test and your first day of pct. Yes......you need to wait two weeks before starting pct. Running it immediately after your test is done will waste two weeks of your time and money. The test will still be in your body for two weeks. Cycle ends week 12. Pct starts week 14 til week 18.
The two weeks between cycle end and pct you shoulder be running hcg and proviron. Then week 14 you start all pct protocol.


Proviron.....yes. 50-75mg ed soon as your done with tbol. Run it right up until the first day of pct. While on cycle, proviron will mediate estrogen so you do not need the adex at all. UNLESS you have gyno issues
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
Also bro.....do NOT run hcg during pct!!!! It IS suppressive period. You use hcg in the two weeks between your last pin of test and your first day of pct. Yes......you need to wait two weeks before starting pct.
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This is one way to do it. A lot of people use 500iu ED leading up to PCT, or blast it. There's so many different protocols and a million threads on it.

Alternatively and what I personally plan to do in my next cycle is is 250iu Mon and Thurs throughout the entire cycle stopping 4 days before PCT. This keeps the boys ready to go so once PCT starts they are much more receptive and responsive.

But yes, HCG is suppresive and you don't start recovery until you stop the HCG.
 
callmejay said:
This is one way to do it. A lot of people use 500iu ED leading up to PCT, or blast it. There's so many different protocols and a million threads on it.

Alternatively and what I personally plan to do in my next cycle is is 250iu Mon and Thurs throughout the entire cycle stopping 4 days before PCT. This keeps the boys ready to go so once PCT starts they are much more receptive and responsive.

But yes, HCG is suppresive and you don't start recovery until you stop the HCG.
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He didnt plan on running HCG during cycle so I didnt take it in that direction.
But yes you are absolutely correct. The USUAL protocl is to run hcg at either 250 or 500iu twice a week throughout(250 personally does dick for me). Usually starting sometime around weeks 3-5. This the time you will start to notice shrinkage. Taking it right from day one is just wasting your money and not necessary.

If you dont mind the shrinkage while on then I say save it for pre PCT. I personally dont care either way. You are correct again that in the week preceeding PCT many guys do 500-1000iu ED or do a few large blast type shots. All are perfectly acceptable. As long as the HCG is stopped once you start PCT.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
He didnt plan on running HCG during cycle so I didnt take it in that direction.
But yes you are absolutely correct. The USUAL protocl is to run hcg at either 250 or 500iu twice a week throughout(250 personally does dick for me). Usually starting sometime around weeks 3-5. This the time you will start to notice shrinkage. Taking it right from day one is just wasting your money and not necessary.

If you dont mind the shrinkage while on then I say save it for pre PCT. I personally dont care either way. You are correct again that in the week preceeding PCT many guys do 500-1000iu ED or do a few large blast type shots. All are perfectly acceptable. As long as the HCG is stopped once you start PCT.
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Well said.

VRuler said:
Week 13-16 torem 90mg, 60mg, 60mg, 30mg a day
Week 13-16 clomid 25mg a day
Week 13-16 unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 13-16 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 13-16 aromasin 25mg a day
Week 13-15 hcg 500iu a day
Week 13-15 1000iu a day
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Let's revise this a bit. My understanding is that you need to wait a couple weeks to start PCT when using a longer ester like Cyp.

Something more like this:

Week 15-18 clomid 25mg a day
Week 15-18 unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 15-18 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 15-18 aromasin 25mg a day

You could use Forma Stanzol instead of Aromasin, both are very effective at increasing IGF-1.

Burn would you agree with the the timeframe?
 
Thats insane....did i hear this correctly? You are only 165lbs?
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
Yeah, there is that too. But with some of the shit I've seen here recently I figured its pointless to argue. At least this guy tried to do some research.
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Ya no shit brother...like this is a first cycle now?? Wow...people need to chill out and just ease into it
 
callmejay said:
Well said.



Let's revise this a bit. My understanding is that you need to wait a couple weeks to start PCT when using a longer ester like Cyp.

Something more like this:

Week 15-18 clomid 25mg a day
Week 15-18 unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 15-18 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 15-18 aromasin 25mg a day

You could use Forma Stanzol instead of Aromasin, both are very effective at increasing IGF-1.

Burn would you agree with the the timeframe?
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Why are you getting rid of the torem? the shit is gold when it comes to pct
 
Not sure what you're hoping to accomplish running all those compounds, Hell even i don't use that much, With Fresh Virgin Receptors a Test only cycle at 500mgs a week should yield you a good 18-20lbs Providing your diet is on spot, what you're trying to do is bring Gasoline to a marshmellow cook out,completely unneccessary.
 
I wrote that I won't do that cycle anymore.


Week 1-12 test c: 300mg split into bi weekly injections of 150mg
Week 1-4 dbol 40mg a day
Week 4-12 Proviron 50mg ED
Week 1-12 arimidex .5mg a day (optional?)
Week 13-15 hcg 500iu a day

Week 15-18 torem 90mg, 60mg, 60mg, 30mg a day
Week 15-18 clomid 25mg a day
Week 15-18 Unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 15-18 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 15-18 aromasin 25mg a day

This is the cycle I will do if I understood correctly the advises .
 
VRuler said:
I wrote that I won't do that cycle anymore.


Week 1-12 test c: 300mg split into bi weekly injections of 150mg
Week 1-4 dbol 40mg a day
Week 4-12 Proviron 50mg ED
Week 1-12 arimidex .5mg a day (optional?)
Week 13-15 hcg 500iu a day

Week 15-18 torem 90mg, 60mg, 60mg, 30mg a day
Week 15-18 clomid 25mg a day
Week 15-18 Unleashed post cycle combo or recycle by purus lab
Week 15-18 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
Week 15-18 aromasin 25mg a day

This is the cycle I will do if I understood correctly the advises .
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If your running torem I wouldnt use clomid. Also, use the proviron with the dbol. You dont need aromasin in pct and your doses of it and adex are too high. Aromasin is sufficient at 12.5 eod. In pct I would use the unleashed combo with daa and forma along with 1 serm. Your also gonna need n2guard on cycle for liver health.

NTBM REP
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
To elaborate a bit..... Your setting your virgin receptors up for mega overkill. Your going to go out a first time and make them run on jet fuel. From then on you can't run on regular gas ever. Get it? Where do you go from jet fuel?
You start 300mg test wk. Eat and train right....bro you will gain 20-25 lb most likely. Easily keep 10-15(easily) with proper pct. But its all about diet and training bro. I'd hit the training and diet sections and post all your info and let them pick it apart to make sure your not selling yourself short.
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^^^^^
 
Here bro... Similar to what I'm running next. Except I'm running var at the end.
This is still kinda on the heavy side for your first. Realistically you should only be running a test only cycle, but somehow I have the feeling your gonna do this anyway. Just don't make the same mistake thousands have made before you and get ALLLL your shit before u start. As in "in your hands" not "on the way"... No alcohol and keep your diet tight as a 80 year old nun. Gotta do it for three mos, do it right or don't do it at all ya know... Good luck. This is all you need. As far as the torem, I know dick about it but I'm looking into it for myself now.

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 ius' week or HCGenerate
6-12 proviron 75 mg day
6-12 n2guard

PCT
15-18 clomid 25/25/25/25
15-19 Unleashed/post cycle combo
15-18 forma stanzol
15-19 daa powerchews or powder
 
I don't plan on starting this until I receive everything.

My diet is good, I started counting everything again, just to be sure I eat enough. I don't drink,smoke. etc

Can't wait to receive the stuff!
 
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