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On average, a test only cycle = how long doing it natural?

no, you should have 3 yrs hard training before touching anything.And thats being conversative.
 
You guys didnt understand the question.

He is not asking is it ok to start juicing and doing a test only cycle after a year of natural training.

He is asking are the gains made from a test only cycle equivalent to those training naturally for a year.

To answer your question it all depends on the person. Some people have shitty diet and training and only gain a couple of pounds which they could of done naturally. Other people put on a good amount of weight say 12 pounds of muscle with pct. This corresponds to roughly a year or so training naturally.
 
I think his question is are the gains made off a 12 week cycle equal to the gains made off 1 year of natty training. I think that answer depends on how long you have been training
 
You guys didnt understand the question.

He is not asking is it ok to start juicing and doing a test only cycle after a year of natural training.

He is asking are the gains made from a test only cycle equivalent to those training naturally for a year.

To answer your question it all depends on the person. Some people have shitty diet and training and only gain a couple of pounds which they could of done naturally. Other people put on a good amount of weight say 12 pounds of muscle with pct. This corresponds to roughly a year or so training naturally.

you missed his thread from a week ago. the guy has a major problem with his stomach, its like bulging like he is pregnant. IMO he either has a major blockage or he has a stomach growth.

basically he thinks if he runs juice he will get a short cut and his body will get transformed. thats the crux of his question.

everyone urged him to get his stomach checked but he refuses to do it for some reason. and its very troubling to me.. i can't believe a family member hasn't urged him to get treatment
 
^^^ yes i saw the updated pic and its better.. but the problem is still there.

oh well I'm glad you atleast took my advice to do a detox.. see what happens when you listen to me? now if only you would take my other advice you would be set

1. get the stomach checked out because you still have a blockage IMO
2. train natty for the next 2 years minimum
3. get the idea of steroids out of your head, you aren't even close to ready
 
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