Marijuana or Alcohol?

[AztecWarrior]

It's an unfair comparison to begin with.

A person who smokes 5-6 days a week is going to have impaired cognitive and memory function compared to someone who drinks 2-3 glasses of wine 5-6 days a week. I don't see how this is so hard for people to see.

Everyone is different. I can still interact and do daily duties of live while on. People as a whole seem to always take the worse possible info and share that as it's main focus. If you can handle the drug don't use it, it's a beautiful situation to be in if you can. Live is a choice and everyone reacts differently to situations that are the factors of the end results. In the end, do what's best for yourself individaully as long as it dosen't hinder you, what's the problem?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Months ago I pulled a number of peer-reviewed published articles from primary sources on the after-effects of pot, including its short-term effects on cognition and memory. Here's the cliff's notes summary:

1) There is undoubtedly a short-term (1-2 days) after-effect from pot, even after the acute phase of the drug wears off. This effect impacts both cognitive and memory skills.

2) This after-effect is definitely more pronounced in regular (i.e. daily) users. True intermittent users experience much less of the after-effect.

3) There is overwhelming positive evidence that the after-effect subsides long-term, even with regular use that can include multiple uses per day.

Now I don't mind re-pulling the studies when I return to Knoxville, but if the best our stoner crowd is going to retort with is some anecdotal story about how they much energy they get from wake-and-bake, then it's just a waste of time.

are these EEG or PET scan studies on brain fog, or are these correlational "durr i smoke pot and dont feel like doing shit today" studies

 

[calveless wonder]

first of all, pull these studies and lets see how valid they actually are (and who sponsored them, because we know 90% of studies done on cannabis have typically been funded by groups with conflicting interests).

Then, pull studies on alcohol that prove your claim of functionality. I must say, i loled at "the functional ones" when you spoke of alcoholics, as if to totally disregard the unfunctional ones. You're saying xyz about pot but completely disregarding the effects of alcohol.

 

[calveless wonder]

It's an unfair comparison to begin with.

A person who smokes 5-6 days a week is going to have impaired cognitive and memory function compared to someone who drinks 2-3 glasses of wine 5-6 days a week. I don't see how this is so hard for people to see.

no, what's an unfair comparison is using completely inequitable scales of consumption to try and make your point.

 

[Sub-Zero]

no, what's an unfair comparison is using completely inequitable scales of consumption to try and make your point.

he doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. his ignorance of the drug causes his hatred, or maybe his hatred is why he is ignorant. maybe he is a script writer for anti drug campaign ads.

plunky, please limit your opinions to topics where they are respected and accurate - such as on hating womens

 

[-SD-]

he doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. his ignorance of the drug causes his hatred, or maybe his hatred is why he is ignorant. maybe he is a script writer for anti drug campaign ads.

plunky, please limit your opinions to topics where they are respected and accurate - such as on hating womens

and hating on US goobermint, which he should be pro-MJ by proxy hahahhah

 

[mrplunkey]

he doesnt have a clue what hes talking about. his ignorance of the drug causes his hatred, or maybe his hatred is why he is ignorant. maybe he is a script writer for anti drug campaign ads.

plunky, please limit your opinions to topics where they are respected and accurate - such as on hating womens

Who said I hated drugs? I'm a former recreational user. My um... Friend... Has had great experiences with MDMA, cocaine and oxys. Strangely enough, I never had the slightest problem with any of them. If an individual not having a problem is our standard, why can't I pick up a few bottles of each at 7-11 on my way home tonight?

I get entertained by the stoner crowd telling me how clear-headed and productive the are on pot. If someone told you what a great driver they were while drinking, would you buy it?

 

[mrplunkey]

and hating on US goobermint, which he should be pro-MJ by proxy hahahhah

I'm pro legalization -- Once there is a guarantee that users never get subsidized by non-users via our ever-expanding social welfare system.

How come we keep having these intense EF stoner debates every 6-12 months? The posts are nearly identical, the threads follow the same trajectory and 90% of the posters are the same. It's almost like there is a group of otherwise healthy, relatively young males who are suffering from memory loss...

 

[Sub-Zero]

Who said I hated drugs? I'm a former recreational user. My um... Friend... Has had great experiences with MDMA, cocaine and oxys. Strangely enough, I never had the slightest problem with any of them. If an individual not having a problem is our standard, why can't I pick up a few bottles of each at 7-11 on my way home tonight?

I get entertained by the stoner crowd telling me how clear-headed and productive the are on pot. If someone told you what a great driver they were while drinking, would you buy it?

i am not very clear headed on pot. but i know plenty who are.

i do however fall under the jiggagold/cw/sdave arguement catagory, where i can smoke at night and be fine in the morning, whereas if i drink, i am sick for 1-2 days

also the drugs you mentioned have documented detrimental effects on brain chemistry and function, but "pot fog" i'm pretty sure has no chemical/medical basis

 

[mrplunkey]

i am not very clear headed on pot. but i know plenty who are.

i do however fall under the jiggagold/cw/sdave arguement catagory, where i can smoke at night and be fine in the morning, whereas if i drink, i am sick for 1-2 days

also the drugs you mentioned have documented detrimental effects on brain chemistry and function, but "pot fog" i'm pretty sure has no chemical/medical basis

MDMA is an extremely useful tool when dosed correctly. Our military is quietly doing studies that involve MDMA in conjunction with psychotherapy for PTSD and getting fantastic results.

And yes, pot's after-effects from chronic use are well-documented. It's not a 'clean' drug in that it definitly lingers in your system beyond its relatively brief half-life.