Kung Fu...Preying Mantis Style

[Ceros]

I've always wanted to try some sort of martial arts...is this ok?

there is a school nearby that I can go to if I want...I'm thinking about doing this.

http://www.8step.com./mantis/index.shtml

 

[Anthony Starks]

I've always wanted to try some sort of martial arts...is this ok?

there is a school nearby that I can go to if I want...I'm thinking about doing this.

http://www.8step.com./mantis/index.shtml

As long as you're not planning on doing any actual fighting

 

[mr.october]

LOL... too deadly fot UFC though

 

[whitedragon]

Why is it that MMA people always knock traditional martial arts? They're perfectly good for fighting. They're not good for MMA. MMA rules take out a lot of perfectly good techniques for safety reasons. A buddy of mine trains in MMA, he's been doing it for 5 years. We sparred once, and he took my ass to the ground. While down there I just jammed my thumb into this nice part of his neck and knocked him out. Hardest part was getting him off of me.

Nothing wrong with a traditional style when it comes to fighting.

Also, please note that this doesn't include anything like olympic TKD, or anything similar that teaches point sparring. Then you will get hurt in a real fight.

 

[Ceros]

Well, I just want to learn something...and I'm totally new to all of this. And what is MMA?

 

[Anthony Starks]

Why is it that MMA people always knock traditional martial arts? They're perfectly good for fighting. They're not good for MMA. MMA rules take out a lot of perfectly good techniques for safety reasons. A buddy of mine trains in MMA, he's been doing it for 5 years. We sparred once, and he took my ass to the ground. While down there I just jammed my thumb into this nice part of his neck and knocked him out. Hardest part was getting him off of me.

Nothing wrong with a traditional style when it comes to fighting.

Also, please note that this doesn't include anything like olympic TKD, or anything similar that teaches point sparring. Then you will get hurt in a real fight.

If you want to include BS like kicking people in the nuts and poking out eyes then Krav Maga is the way to go still, not "traditional style", but that shit isn't fighting. If you're going to be a pussy like that about it why even learn martial arts in the first place, just go buy a gun.

 

[Trojan Horse]

Praying Mantis Kung Fu is great. The origin is from the Shaolin Temple as you should know. It truly is an art. An art that can be used in a fight but also an art of the body and mind. The technique is graceful yet powerful when applied in realistic settings. Learning a Kung Fu style isn't always about fighting an opponent. Learning to attain great chi is an important aspect of Kung Fu. This style will help you attain great chi if learned correctly. Good Luck.

 

[whitedragon]

If you want to include BS like kicking people in the nuts and poking out eyes then Krav Maga is the way to go still, not "traditional style", but that shit isn't fighting. If you're going to be a pussy like that about it why even learn martial arts in the first place, just go buy a gun.

There's no rules in love and war my friend. If someone attacks me, I'm sorry I have no problem about doing what I feel is neccessary. I have a son, he's going to have a father. Do you think grappling is going to help when a group of people attack? You can call me a pussy online all you want, it's easy to do that.

 

[Anthony Starks]

There's no rules in love and war my friend. If someone attacks me, I'm sorry I have no problem about doing what I feel is neccessary. I have a son, he's going to have a father. Do you think grappling is going to help when a group of people attack? You can call me a pussy online all you want, it's easy to do that.

If getting attacked by groups of people is a real problem in your life, like I said you should probably buy a gun, because there are only so many guys balls you can hit before someone is going to knock your ass out.

I always find it funny how karate guys always talk like what they are doing teaches great respect and integrity, then they are the first guys to resort to women's self defense class moves when they find out kung fu doesn't work in real life.

 

[Djimbe]

ANd I find it funny how you only think that a Traditional trainee is ONLY capable of Kicking someone in the "balls" .

Get over your Ego , my man . Ive trained with and Fought ppl from every style I can think of , and guess what ? Boxers dont , on average , punch any harder or faster than Mantis Practitioners . COMPETITIVE boxers just tend to be in better shape , and use their Attributes to win fights . Nothing about he science of the Fighting Method in their Victories at all .

Teacher > Style

PERIOD

And no , the Tactics trained for in an MMA Match are NOT the Ideal way to fight when you have a Child or Spouse in Tow , OR when youre in the real world . Guess what else ? Not everyone has the TIME to get their bodies to the Level where they can go about Suplexing people all day . There are LOADS of things in Traditional systems that cut through the attribute use that is rampant in MMA circles .

ASIDE from that there is PLENTY that you can use from Traditional Training . Harden your body , take off the Wraps , Punch WOOD , STONE , and STEEL , not Bags - we can play "Whos The Bigger Pussy" ALL day , and in the End Traditional Chinese Taining is WAY touger than ANYTHING Sportfighters do . How much of it is applied these days ? Depends on whos school you visit . But any time you want to Visit mine Ill be MORE than happy to have you try out the Wooden Dummy , Iron Skills Training , Weaponswork , Breaking , or the like .

 

[Anthony Starks]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, because you're not going to convince me that all things being equal and taking away dirty moves a karate guy will EVER beat a MMA fighter, regardless of how much "great chi" his teacher has, how unified his body and mind are, or how graceful and flowing his technique is. Sorry.

 

[Trojan Horse]

Boxing has rules.
M.M.A. has rules.
Kick Boxing has rules.
Wrestling has rules.
In essence any regulated fighting has some sort of rules.
Street fighting doesn't have rules. Anything goes. That includes ripping a person's throat out, gouging his eyes, breaking bones, ripping ears off. There are so many differant styles of fighting and differanct techniques applied under differant circumstances. One thing I could say is that every person and fighter are differant with respect to their training, skills, abilities and background. Another thing is being able to utilize these skills under differant circumstances. Fighters will act differantly under differant circumstances. Real Life versus. Controlled setting i.e. syndicated fights are totally differant. You don't know how each fighter will respond to a real threat. Have you ever heard of "flight or fight"? Adrenaline kicks in and people who have demonstrated superman skills once and kicked major ass, may lose under less trying situations. There is no finite answers to these styles of fighting. There are too many factore to consider when comparing fighting styles and techniques.

 

[Djimbe]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, because you're not going to convince me that all things being equal and taking away dirty moves a karate guy will EVER beat a MMA fighter,

SO what youre saying is that if you put a person that DOSENT train for MMA rules in a Match WITH MMA rules that a guy that trains specifically tward said ruleset will win ? Umm , duh ? Because , I mean , making it a Sportfight is the only way to do that , and , well , the closest thing we have to a "real fight" currently is an MMA match . Guess what ? Most MMA guys get Mauled in Lei Tai or Rou Shou Matches , too .

And Frankly , thats because you compare Hobbyists to Proffessionals . Give me two ppl that train the same amount of time and have the same amount of Hours in with the same quality of instruction , and youll get the same Results as fighters .

I mean , fact is , Lidell (amongst many others) is a TMAist . And frankly he Fights like one for the most part . He just trains to his Ruleset now because he gets $ for it .

MOST ppl that do "MMA" arent in the UFC , and they , just like MOST TMA Practitioners , just plain suck .

regardless of how much "great chi" his teacher has, how unified his body and mind are, or how graceful and flowing his technique is. Sorry.

Dude , firtsly lay off the "Chi" crap . You dont know what youre talking about , and trying to sound Flippant just makes you come off as Culturally Ignorant , and as for "Body Unification" ??? - the BEST example of that could be said to be Jack Dempsey . And Ali was posessed of as much Grace and Fluidity as Ive ever seen in a Fighter , as well as was Kurt Angle @ the Olympics - and as he puts it "with a broken Friggin NECK !" no less .

 

[Mercere]

If you're a traditional martial arts practitioner and practice your techniques regularly and routinely in life threatening situations and brutal street fights, I believe you'll have a distinct advantage over people who spar using rules.
But if you just "practice" those situations in a dojo, don't do any real fighting or sparring, then the people who spar using rules will have a distinct advantage over you.
Most people just don't live a lifestyle that requires routine confrontations for survival, so sparring with rules is better than doing katas and practicing forms for real life situations.

edit: spelling

 

[whitedragon]

Well back to the original point of the thread. Try the school out and if you like it stick with it.

On everything else. Fighting teaches you how to hurt people. End of story, don't dress it up as something that it's not. Also, I'm not a big fan of hitting people in the balls, but I block mine so they don't get hit. Same as I do with my face. They're both targets plain and simple.

P.S. I'd rather get puched in the balls then in the ear. Now, that hurts.

 

[Djimbe]

If you're a traditional martial arts practitioner and practice your techniques regularly and routinely in life threatening situations and brutal street fights, I believe you'll have a distinct advantage over people who spar using rules.
But if you just "practice" those situations in a dojo, don't do any real fighting or sparring, then the people who spar using rules will have a distinct advantage over you.
Most people just don't live a lifestyle that requires routine confrontations for survival, so sparring with rules is better than doing katas and practicing forms for real life situations.

edit: spelling

Dude , all Mantis schools that are Legit that I know of Spar . All (legit) Chinese Martial Arts Schools Spar . The Sparing Ruleset for Chinese Martial Arts is San Shou . In my experience it includes Kicks , Punches , Throws Elbows , Knees , Shouders , Trips , Traps , Jointwork and a SMALL (no more than 60 seconds at a time) amount of time on the ground .

 

[acneman]

trends
its all about trends
at times people have said one martial art is better than all the others
and that changes every few years
there have been mixed martial art tournaments for hundreds of years
there were times when the karate guys killed the jiujitsu guys
for you mma fans look back to the first ufc's
people came in with traditional styles and won matches
im not saying BJJ didnt dominate but you gotta admit those fights were intresting and proved that those styles could fight
to compete in the ufc they say you have to be versed in all aspects of the game. is this true? no.
does mark coleman know how to box? no.
how good is tim sylvia on the ground? not very.
how good of a kick boxer is matt hughes????????
ive met some kung fu guys that are really good and seen them in action on the street.
i used to talk and train with i guy whos only martial art ever was tai chi
and he was tough. real tough.
ive met escrima guys that were very dangerous with there hands and feet...what??? i thought all they did was sticks and shit????

i dont down anybodies choice of style
in the early nineties at an akido school some of us would show up early to class and practice MMA when MMA wasnt cool
we didnt ever call it MMA we called it eclectic martial arts
i came up with the name
Eclectic \Ec*lec"tic\, a. [Gr. ?, fr. ? to pick out, choose out:
cf. F. ['e]clectique. See Eclogue, and cf. Elect.]
1. Selecting; choosing (what is true or excellent in
doctrines, opinions, etc.) from various sources or
systems; as, an eclectic philosopher.

we were told we couldnt do it anymore so i quit the school
peace guys
we are all in the brotherhood of martial arts lets not put each other down

and one last thing
i was once told i was cheating in a street fight because i choked the guy out
this was in 91
i seriously thought i was gonna have to fight 3 other guys because choked a guy who was trying to hurt me
i doubt that would be looked at the same way today
trends!!!!!!!

 

[Anthony Starks]

there were times when the karate guys killed the jiujitsu guys
for you mma fans look back to the first ufc's

We must have been watching different UFCs I guess.

 

[shootfighter1975]

When I was talking to Georges St Pierre once he told me never to discount any technique from any style. Everyone can be dangerous in their own way.... Certain styles will represent problems for certain people. It will always be that way.

All this being said, I would favour a skilled MMA person in a street situation over a traditional stylist. This is not to diss the skills of a traditional stylist by any means. I am sure someone like Wing Chung stylist Emin Boztepe is pretty lethal in his own right, but what do you HONESTLY think would happen to him if he ran into Fedor Emeliananko???

 

[Djimbe]

Im betting they would have Coffee and a Hard time understansding one another though their thick Accents .

 

[acneman]

We must have been watching different UFCs I guess.

im not saying BJJ didnt dominate

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[Steroid Guru]

If you want all the fluffy stuff then do kung fu. You would probably be better off in training in muay thai though....elbows and knees are deadly.

 

[Djimbe]

You have NO clue as to what youre talking about . Mantis uses as many if not MORE Elbows and knees than MT .

"Fluffy Stuff" ? IF yopu actually TRAINED with the ppl you talk so much shit about one of them might do the world a favour and shut your mouth for you .

 

[Steroid Guru]

You have NO clue as to what youre talking about . Mantis uses as many if not MORE Elbows and knees than MT .

"Fluffy Stuff" ? IF yopu actually TRAINED with the ppl you talk so much shit about one of them might do the world a favour and shut your mouth for you .

Hahah...looks like someone has roid rage. Yea and I bet Grasshopper style or whatever the fuck its called has great knees and elbows....thats why so many fighters incorporate it into their training....ya right. Don't get mad because you have dedicated your life to a fruity art.

 

[Trojan Horse]

I have a background in various styles of Martial Arts. I appreciate all of them and take with them what I've learned and combined parts of them in realistic fights. I will not knock any of them, nor will I criticize any other form or style of fighting techniqe/discipline, because I beleive that they all contribute in some way to various forms of fighting that is conducive to differant people. The issue here is how you train and how you would utilize it in a real fight. You have to train as if it were the real thing instead of orchestrated moves etc... Train like the real thing, in order to make your heart sing. That's where it's at. Realistic training not orchestrated training.

 

[Mercere]

Dude , all Mantis schools that are Legit that I know of Spar . All (legit) Chinese Martial Arts Schools Spar . The Sparing Ruleset for Chinese Martial Arts is San Shou . In my experience it includes Kicks , Punches , Throws Elbows , Knees , Shouders , Trips , Traps , Jointwork and a SMALL (no more than 60 seconds at a time) amount of time on the ground .

I wasn't saying they didn't, I believe every style can be effective if practiced properly, but you know some of those hippie dojos... Question though: Do they spar bare knuckle?

 

[Yarg!]

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in the first UFCs there were no jiu jitsu guys (btw its one jiu jitsu guy- Royce Gracie) that lost to karate dude, EVER. get your facts straight. im not making shit up, history just didnt happen that way. sorry.

 

[acneman]

in the first UFCs there were no jiu jitsu guys (btw its one jiu jitsu guy- Royce Gracie) that lost to karate dude, EVER. get your facts straight. im not making shit up, history just didnt happen that way. sorry.

people came in with traditional styles and won matches
im not saying BJJ didnt dominate but you gotta admit those fights were intresting and proved that those styles could fight
.

UFC1
Dutch Savate expert Gerard Gordeau WON 2 MATCHES TO LOSE FINAL TO ROYCE
Patrick Smith Tae Kwon Do won 3 matches to lose in th final to royce in ufc 2
etc
you miss read my post
no hard feelings though
im not making shit up its history and exactly what i said did happen

there have been mixed martial art tournaments for hundreds of years
there were times when the karate guys killed the jiujitsu guys
.

and if you are talking about this ^^^
im not talking about ufc's there

 

[shootfighter1975]

Im betting they would have Coffee and a Hard time understansding one another though their thick Accents .

 

[Djimbe]

I wasn't saying they didn't, I believe every style can be effective if practiced properly, but you know some of those hippie dojos... Question though: Do they spar bare knuckle?

Not usually , but thats because most ppl have Jobs to go to in the morning , frankly , but if you get Training Partners that gont care (or if you train with a Sibling) then from time to time you go Sans Protection .

 

[Djimbe]

Hahah...looks like someone has roid rage. Yea and I bet Grasshopper style or whatever the fuck its called has great knees and elbows....thats why so many fighters incorporate it into their training....ya right. Don't get mad because you have dedicated your life to a fruity art.

Any time youre willing to put your ass where your Mouth is my school has an Open Door Policy . Ill make sure your first session is Free of Charge . Oh , and I dont NEED Roids , son .

When youre in the Allentown Area let me know . then you can taste my Fruit for yourself .

 

[Trojan Horse]

Looks Like ISALANDKURRY has an invite from DJIMBE. Maybe ISLANDKURRY could take him up on the invite. Maybe Not? Take the test and put the questions to rest.

 

[Anthony Starks]

then you can taste my Fruit for yourself

 

[Yarg!]

lolol

no matter what anyone says, dont accept djimbe's offer to taste his dumplings.

 

[thor19]

Wow this is intersting reading. The fact is that anyone can beat anyone at any time. I study traditional southern style internal Kung Fu. I have also studied kick boxing, jujitsu, karate, mui thi along with other styles. I have studied martial arts since I was 7 and have been in countless street fights. One thing that is very true is that in a street fight there are no rules and for you to say that someone is a pussy for doing what they need to do to win a fight is ignorant and you obviously havent been in many real fights. Taditional Kung Fu teaches you some very applicable techniques to use in real life situations not in a ring with a ref to stop the fight. I study Bak fu pi and from personal experience is the best style out there. Not all the other ones dont have somthing good to offer. Learn from all and mix it up.

 

[Steroid Guru]

Any time youre willing to put your ass where your Mouth is my school has an Open Door Policy . Ill make sure your first session is Free of Charge . Oh , and I dont NEED Roids , son .

When youre in the Allentown Area let me know . then you can taste my Fruit for yourself .

Ok...son. First of all, I live in cali and im not going all the way to fuckin pensylvania. Second, you are a fucking fag....go taste your own fruit.

 

[Djimbe]

wow , what a Witty retort !

Ok Mensa Chairman , You live in Cali , I can give you a List of schools , you run in , Dojo Storm , whatever you call it , be sure to bring a Camera . Either way the only "Fags" are ppl running off at the mouth about shit they dont have ANY experience with .

steps for you to follow :

1) Listen
2) Observe
3) Study
4) Train
5) Learn

AND THEN -

6) Speak only on what you KNOW .

 

[ubermensch0024]

The classic traditional vs MMA argument... I don't think I have ever seen a thread on this that hasn't turned hostile. My opinion... I think there are too many variables. I think it depends on the person, where they train, there size and level of physical conditioning, and most importantly their mindset. I've met dangerous mf's on both sides of the fence and an equal amount of shitbirds too.

I usually tell people who ask me how to get good fast to start with boxing/muay thai, then something that teaches throws because I feel that combo gets people decent fast enough, not to mention gets them used to the contact and adrenaline. And as far as the dirty stuff goes, honestly, who needs to go to a school to learn how to grab balls and gouge eyes. It's a time/benefit thing.

But I also have a tremendous amount of respect for many traditional martial artists. They learn many many effective techniques and have alot of effective conditioning drills. Weapon training also.
My advice to you is to do some research. Decide what you want and how much time you have to dedicate. Check out all the local schools and gyms. You might find what you're looking for. As far as mantis goes, when I was a teenager I was big into Shaolin Kung Fu - I learned a couple of Mantis Forms - they had some cool techniques but nothing a thought was the ultimate truth in hand to hand combat. I would trade that time for something else in retrospect. Good luck.

 

[acneman]

The classic traditional vs MMA argument... I don't think I have ever seen a thread on this that hasn't turned hostile. My opinion... I think there are too many variables. I think it depends on the person, where they train, there size and level of physical conditioning, and most importantly their mindset. I've met dangerous mf's on both sides of the fence and an equal amount of shitbirds too.

I usually tell people who ask me how to get good fast to start with boxing/muay thai, then something that teaches throws because I feel that combo gets people decent fast enough, not to mention gets them used to the contact and adrenaline. And as far as the dirty stuff goes, honestly, who needs to go to a school to learn how to grab balls and gouge eyes. It's a time/benefit thing.

But I also have a tremendous amount of respect for many traditional martial artists. They learn many many effective techniques and have alot of effective conditioning drills. Weapon training also.
My advice to you is to do some research. Decide what you want and how much time you have to dedicate. Check out all the local schools and gyms. You might find what you're looking for. As far as mantis goes, when I was a teenager I was big into Shaolin Kung Fu - I learned a couple of Mantis Forms - they had some cool techniques but nothing a thought was the ultimate truth in hand to hand combat. I would trade that time for something else in retrospect. Good luck.

excellent

 

[Djimbe]

The classic traditional vs MMA argument... I don't think I have ever seen a thread on this that hasn't turned hostile. My opinion... I think there are too many variables. I think it depends on the person, where they train, there size and level of physical conditioning, and most importantly their mindset. I've met dangerous mf's on both sides of the fence and an equal amount of shitbirds too.

Truth !

The fact is that usually the ppl with NO respect are the ones that have never dipped their toes into both Pools for real . Theyre regurgitating hearsay .

I usually tell people who ask me how to get good fast to start with boxing/muay thai, then something that teaches throws because I feel that combo gets people decent fast enough, not to mention gets them used to the contact and adrenaline. And as far as the dirty stuff goes, honestly, who needs to go to a school to learn how to grab balls and gouge eyes. It's a time/benefit thing.

Well , the fact is that thats so far away from whats being taught at these places that its funny . But it DOES make it obvious that certain ppl have never seen the Training because thats what they THINK of as being there .

But I also have a tremendous amount of respect for many traditional martial artists. They learn many many effective techniques and have alot of effective conditioning drills. Weapon training also.
My advice to you is to do some research. Decide what you want and how much time you have to dedicate. Check out all the local schools and gyms. You might find what you're looking for. As far as mantis goes, when I was a teenager I was big into Shaolin Kung Fu - I learned a couple of Mantis Forms - they had some cool techniques but nothing a thought was the ultimate truth in hand to hand combat. I would trade that time for something else in retrospect. Good luck.

In all fairness though , "Wushu Mantis" is not the same as the Mantis systems , like 8-step , that ONLY use Mantis as their system . MUCH less gets "Glossed Over" in the Teaching , ESPECIALLY in the Aplication Dept

 

[Ruca]

lol @ the ongoing thought that because someone trains mma that they can't combine it with all the "dirty" stuff. "oh you train bjj...mt...boxing...wrestling....wow i could kick your ass in a street fight because you don't know how to eye gouge..head butt...nut kick/hit...etc." comical mentality

 

[Ceros]

I don't think I can right now, even if I wanted to...I'm too busy with school, band, working out, work, and the shcool play.

edit - But, thanks for the help and info on it guys...you're all awesome!

 

[Kane Fan]

Why is it that MMA people always knock traditional martial arts? They're perfectly good for fighting. They're not good for MMA. MMA rules take out a lot of perfectly good techniques for safety reasons. A buddy of mine trains in MMA, he's been doing it for 5 years. We sparred once, and he took my ass to the ground. While down there I just jammed my thumb into this nice part of his neck and knocked him out. Hardest part was getting him off of me.

Nothing wrong with a traditional style when it comes to fighting.

Also, please note that this doesn't include anything like olympic TKD, or anything similar that teaches point sparring. Then you will get hurt in a real fight.

to the point in the thread where this responce was made, no negative comments had really been made about the style only a true assessment

it's really like this, if the sparring is competitive and real strikes are landing (not with intent to injure the other guy but he's gotta know he's getting hit not tapped) then the style is useless for fighting

the style simply wasn't knocked at this point in the thread, you can't go around assuming that if someone into MMA dosn't exlaim "yes please take this style it's the best out there" then they are 'knocking' a traditional martial art

 

[Kane Fan]

ANd I find it funny how you only think that a Traditional trainee is ONLY capable of Kicking someone in the "balls" .

Get over your Ego , my man . Ive trained with and Fought ppl from every style I can think of , and guess what ? Boxers dont , on average , punch any harder or faster than Mantis Practitioners . COMPETITIVE boxers just tend to be in better shape , and use their Attributes to win fights . Nothing about he science of the Fighting Method in their Victories at all .

Teacher > Style

PERIOD

And no , the Tactics trained for in an MMA Match are NOT the Ideal way to fight when you have a Child or Spouse in Tow , OR when youre in the real world . Guess what else ? Not everyone has the TIME to get their bodies to the Level where they can go about Suplexing people all day . There are LOADS of things in Traditional systems that cut through the attribute use that is rampant in MMA circles .

ASIDE from that there is PLENTY that you can use from Traditional Training . Harden your body , take off the Wraps , Punch WOOD , STONE , and STEEL , not Bags - we can play "Whos The Bigger Pussy" ALL day , and in the End Traditional Chinese Taining is WAY touger than ANYTHING Sportfighters do . How much of it is applied these days ? Depends on whos school you visit . But any time you want to Visit mine Ill be MORE than happy to have you try out the Wooden Dummy , Iron Skills Training , Weaponswork , Breaking , or the like .

dude that boxing comment is total bs
not about the hitting harder aspect but the not using science in thier fighting styles
(unless you mean something different then I mean) of course there are boxers out there who just go out and swing with thier eyes closed (I'm one of them actually) but there is a lot of thought that goes into a GOOD fightplan and countermovments

can you link me to something about Iron Skills Training, I don't want to clutter up the thread but would read about it

also I agree with the pussy comment being stupid, no offence to IronMan or anything, but I'd rather be the pussy who won the fight then the tough guy recovering in a hospital

 

[Kane Fan]

Boxing has rules.
M.M.A. has rules.
Kick Boxing has rules.
Wrestling has rules.
In essence any regulated fighting has some sort of rules.
Street fighting doesn't have rules. Anything goes. That includes ripping a person's throat out, gouging his eyes, breaking bones, ripping ears off. There are so many differant styles of fighting and differanct techniques applied under differant circumstances. One thing I could say is that every person and fighter are differant with respect to their training, skills, abilities and background. Another thing is being able to utilize these skills under differant circumstances. Fighters will act differantly under differant circumstances. Real Life versus. Controlled setting i.e. syndicated fights are totally differant. You don't know how each fighter will respond to a real threat. Have you ever heard of "flight or fight"? Adrenaline kicks in and people who have demonstrated superman skills once and kicked major ass, may lose under less trying situations. There is no finite answers to these styles of fighting. There are too many factore to consider when comparing fighting styles and techniques.

rules help you devlop skills/ability
it is difficult to train to rip someones ear off w/out actually doing so
I agree that a fight is different from a match or competition, but I don't agree with the implication (that you may not have ment to make) that training in a style with rules is inferior

 

[Demonix]

Back in the day the original UFC and Vale Tudo competitions had NO rules! And guess what, all the great TMA masters of the world still got their asses kicked.

Sorry if your friend got knocked out by you jamming your thumb in his neck he is a pussy... Plus were you actually fighting or sparring? If it was some friendly sparring I would say that was a pussy ass move doing that.

 

[whitedragon]

Back in the day the original UFC and Vale Tudo competitions had NO rules! And guess what, all the great TMA masters of the world still got their asses kicked.

Sorry if your friend got knocked out by you jamming your thumb in his neck he is a pussy... Plus were you actually fighting or sparring? If it was some friendly sparring I would say that was a pussy ass move doing that.

We were sparring, but our sparring is a little different than most. Only rule was not to severely hurt each other. As long as no one has to go to the hospital that's fine, although that has happened before to even myself included. In hindsight it's funny thinking about the ER doctors/nurses expressions.

 

[Ceros]

I ight do all this sometime...but for now I have a broken wrist and a cast until Jan 17th. Thanks for the help by the way gents.

 

[pigcavalier]

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But I always train tai chi for keeping healthy.

 

[Djimbe]

dude that boxing comment is total bs

how so ?

not about the hitting harder aspect but the not using science in thier fighting styles
(unless you mean something different then I mean) of course there are boxers out there who just go out and swing with thier eyes closed (I'm one of them actually) but there is a lot of thought that goes into a GOOD fightplan and countermovments

youre missing my core point . Boxing is not about fighting . Boxing training is about the best way to beat an opponent with pillows on his hands that wont hit you anywhere but above the waist . While those things can be APPLIED to a FIGHT , its not really training for one . Therefore the science used in Boxing needs to be modified to use in a non-Boxing environment . Its the best for its specific ruleset , wich a fight is NOT . You can even see that Boxing methodologies changed DRASTICALLY with the advent of gloves being thrown into the mix . I think before that time they were much more "realistic" (whatever that means this week) .

can you link me to something about Iron Skills Training, I don't want to clutter up the thread but would read about it

Ill see what I can Fish up , and Ill make it its own Topic , if nothing else with my own Methods and Techniques .

also I agree with the pussy comment being stupid, no offence to IronMan or anything, but I'd rather be the pussy who won the fight then the tough guy recovering in a hospital

agreed .

 

[Djimbe]

rules help you devlop skills/ability
it is difficult to train to rip someones ear off w/out actually doing so
I agree that a fight is different from a match or competition, but I don't agree with the implication (that you may not have ment to make) that training in a style with rules is inferior

no , thats UTER CRAP .

Im sorry , I like you , but I HATE hearing this stupidness .

You dont have to poke a GUY in the eye to learn to do it . THats what Training equipment is for . Training in Pinch Gripping is perfectly fine for learning to Rip off an Ear . you telling me if you rain to the point where you can tear a quarter in hjalf you cant tear an Ear off ?

You just have to be Willing at that point . You want to learn to Poke Eyes ? Buy a Fingerbag and draw a damned EYE on it ! Put it on Bungies and youre all set ! Train Double End Bag with your Fingers , Break Boards with your Fingers , etc. .

 

[druncanwaria]

Boxing has rules.
M.M.A. has rules.
Kick Boxing has rules.
Wrestling has rules.
In essence any regulated fighting has some sort of rules.
Street fighting doesn't have rules. Anything goes. That includes ripping a person's throat out, gouging his eyes, breaking bones, ripping ears off. There are so many differant styles of fighting and differanct techniques applied under differant circumstances. One thing I could say is that every person and fighter are differant with respect to their training, skills, abilities and background. Another thing is being able to utilize these skills under differant circumstances. Fighters will act differantly under differant circumstances. Real Life versus. Controlled setting i.e. syndicated fights are totally differant. You don't know how each fighter will respond to a real threat. Have you ever heard of "flight or fight"? Adrenaline kicks in and people who have demonstrated superman skills once and kicked major ass, may lose under less trying situations. There is no finite answers to these styles of fighting. There are too many factore to consider when comparing fighting styles and techniques.

i disagreee with you... street fighting has rules, and they are the law. You can break them the same as any fight but just like any fight there is consequences.