your thoughts on this pro hormone...k to all.

[Nelson Montana]

lets talk about his accomplishments
The three steroids ( could be more that we do not know of ) that patrick arnold recreated from the old 1960's medical research studies
were all real steroids and still are steroids.

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EXACTLY. AND THEY WERE REJECTED BY THE DRUG COMPANIES FOR BEING INFERIOR. ARNOLD DID FIND A WAY TO MAKE AN ORAL VERSION WHICH WAS LESS EFFECTIVE BUT MAINTAINED THE SAME SIDE EFFECTS. PRETTY SMART, BUT THE END RESULT SUCKED.


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The first is (THG) a modified version of gestrinone ( similar to trenbolone ) to make it undedectable in drug testing
(later the fda and feds tested a syringe full of THG and identified it as a modified steroid)
second (norbethone)was a steroid invented back in the mid 60's that was similar to anavar
third ( madol ) a steroid invented back in the mid 60's a mild steroid close to turnibol.

so the guy knows exactly what he was doing and how to create steroids.

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NOT REALLY. HE KNOWS HOW TO MANIPULATE MOLECULAR STRUCTURE WHICH ANY CHEMISTRY STUDENT CAN DO. HE KNOWS HOW TO PUSH THE LIMITS OF WHAT IS LEAGAL. OH, WAIT A MINUTE -- NO HE DOESN'T. HE GOT BUSTED FOR THE VERY THING.


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The first set of pro hormones were ranging from mild to pretty strong stuff
(4-AD, 19-Nor, 1-AD, 1,4-AD, 5-AA, 1-T, and M1T).
all had anabolic and androgenic properties in the body and were fairly safe.


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I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE. THEY ALL INCREASED ESTROGEN AND NOT MUCH ELSE. M1T WAS THE BEST OF THE BUNCH AND ALSO THE MOST TOXIC.


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The new pro hormone are not really even pro hormones some are infact "desighner steroids" they are taking a actual steroid and modding it slightly so they can sell it has a food supplments being that" no ban for this new steroid aka food supplments exist yet"

Some new ones include Superdrol ,Phera-Plex,Halodrol 50

superdol is " close to masteron" on paper it looks almost the same except they put it through the methylation process making it not "quite" the same as masteron but a new "supplement" not on any banned list (get whats going on here yet?)

halodrol 50 uses some long chemical name to hide the steroid inside
"oral turnibol"
an exact copy with some usless things attached to the structure that do not hinder its effectiveness but help hide whats inside the product
so if the fda says hey, its a steroid the company can say no it's not oral turnabol its a "different compound see look here and here it's structurally different"
I think even the orginal version of hadrol50 has been pulled off the shelves

pher plex no one knows exactly whats in that bottle they have covered the steroids name with all kinds of extra stuff added to it.
it is supposed the " most potent" leaves me to believe it is prob the most toxic as well.

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IN SHORT -- SAME SHIT, DIFFERENT DAY.


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Thats the problem with the news pro hormones they are methylized making them very toxic,no lab studied have been done on a methylated masteron and we all have read the studies on turnibol.They show that its very liver toxic.
I really can not see how they are even getting away with making all the designer stuff and managing to get it onto the market, it seems crazy.

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THAT'S THE WHOLE RACKET. THERE ARE SO MANY PRODUCTS THE FDA CAN'T KEEP UP. THE COMPANIES KNOW THIS AND KEEP SHOVELING IT OUT THERE.

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If your going to use any of the new desighner steroids its a gamble in my opinion and you are actually being someones lab rat.

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EXACTLY.


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Now if patrick arnold was making more desighner steroids I would trust him to be honest about the toxic side effects on liver damage and left ventrical hypertrophy.
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WHY? HIS STUFF SUCKED AS BAD AS ANYONE ELSE'S IF NOT MORE.


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patrick arnold used real studies from 30 years ago when he researched anrdo and made a supplement out of it, same with all his other desighner steroids
Thats why would infact give ando and the first set of prohormoes he tweaked the benift of the doubt.

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NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THEY SUCKED.


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This new stuff is just being tweaked and the dangerous part is the meth part to make them even more effective,The old PH steroids were only converted in the body and had a cut off point, this new stuff you can literally poision yourself with.

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IN OTHER WORDS -- STAY AWAY. GO REAL OR GO NATURAL. NO IN BETWEEN.

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[slamminshaun]

What more evidence do you need?

Absolutely none. Thanks for a great explanation!

 

[hurricane]

only stuff that was legal at 1 time that i herd actually worked .. is superdrol and m1t.. never used either personally

 

[chazk]

nelson not al patrick arnold stuff was junk
1-ad did not convert to estrogen
It was not liver toxic being that the liver actually produced the mssing blanks to fill in the structure to make it active,
yes most of the other stuff did convert
but 1-ad was the best of the fist generation with next to nothing in the way of side effects.
but neslon ? so the nor and diones and diols converted to some estrogens and progestrones.
big deal so does dbol,test,deca people still use them?

 

[Nelson Montana]

nelson not al patrick arnold stuff was junk
1-ad did not convert to estrogen
It was not liver toxic being that the liver actually produced the mssing blanks to fill in the structure to make it active,
yes most of the other stuff did convert
but 1-ad was the best of the fist generation with next to nothing in the way of side effects.
but neslon ? so the nor and diones and diols converted to some estrogens and progestrones.
big deal so does Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ,test,Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - people still use them?

1-ad was a libido killer in a lot of people.

Sure, dball converts to estrogen, but it's incredibly anabolic, pro-hormones are not. So you can use enough to get results and stay short of getting the side effects. Not so with PH and it's not really a comparison.

 

[eddymerckx]

1-ad was a libido killer in a lot of people.

Sure, dball converts to estrogen, but it's incredibly anabolic, pro-hormones are not. So you can use enough to get results and stay short of getting the side effects. Not so with PH and it's not really a comparison.

i read that the one prohormone that is a precursor to t-bol converts to less than 8% of the equiv dose of the real thing--so you would have to take more than 12x to get the same effect----so the hepatoxicity of the prohormone in comparison is just insane comparison to the real stuff.

 

[P4D2A022]

truckdaddy - u should run a cycle of superdrol if ur looking to do a ph (steroid). its very effective bro

 

[xpand]

if your gonna go out, go all out n use the real deal. of course the pro hormon sounds good, how else would thy sell it if it didnt!!!

 

[truckdaddy]

truckdaddy - u should run a cycle of superdrol if ur looking to do a ph (steroid). its very effective bro

i will prob just run some tbol, but its a little tricky these days with all the drama going on. I dont know who is good or who is bad at this point. Makes me wish i had stocked up for the winter.

I tried epistane once and enjoyed it.

 

[justinjones1963]

phoromones are nothing but new versions of steroids.

Back in the day bodybuilders spoke crap about new gear that came out, like Deca.

I agree with some of the posts above that some of the stuff out there is harsh on the liver and the gains are not that good but to totally discount them all together is ignorance. The only way this science is going to advance is if people make new compounds that work better with fewer sides.