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Krazydiamond
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Absolutly love the stuff. Ran it in my last 2 cycles and hardness and vascularity are unparraled for me. Great for recomp and while running a calorie deficit as well. Make sure your running a good test base though as it will shut you down pretty hard. I tolerated it really well with no sides really worth mentioning. My training partner got some pretty bad acne which forced him to come off. Everybody reacts differently.
AlphaMaleDawg
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how do you guys feel about using it as a mass builder? Does it enable you to eat a high amount of calories without gaining fat? (maybe even losing fat?)
I prefer suspension over it any day, i have never been able to train so hard in my life, i feel like im in beast mode all day and gaining like i have never have before. Im running 100 mg everyday, 250 Test c and 600 eq a week with 20 mg d-bol. Never using anything other than these 4 compounds again, nothing can compare to this current cycle and only been on maybe 3 weeks. Im strong and fit as fuck, feels like everyday i can lift hard and heavy. The suspension is allowing my to do shit loads of volume and heavy weight without overtraining.
RADAR
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you don't need hi mass of calories,of course you go too high then you defeat the fat burning abilities, it will put lean mass on you at the same time of cutting fat,everyone is different so keep tweaking it until you find your sweet spot.
if its your first time, you could use ace because it's a shorter ester meaning if your body cant handle the sides its out of your body quicker. You'd have to pin ed or eod, to keep blood levels stable. I think 50mg ed or 100mg eod is a good dose. Im running it right now at 75mg ed
Havent used it lately but I love Tren ... I have used it in a spray to injection and by itself and with test and was never disappointed with the results !!!! I am naturally lean and it made me so veiny that after a while I was getting tired of everyone asking me how did I get so vascular ... and With my shirt off I looked so lean it was amazing but with my shirt on I didnt look so big ... Its and excellent spring-summer addition ... but for now time to bulk !!!
man the more tren threads I read the more I roller coaster hah....like hell yea wanna do it, to hmmmm maybe I shouldnt lots of folks talk about it being the kiss of death for how they feel......the recomp effects seem so tempting though....and I like Primo and Var but costs so insane.....nothing seems to touch Tren as far as body recomp from the sounds of it, but one will either love it or hate it? Is that it in a nutshell?
squatzilla
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The strength gains were very good but I wouldn't run it more than 6 wks.
I am with RADAR. Tren makes me bigger, stronger, and leaner than any other AAS by far.
It also gives me insomnia, cycstic acne, and makes me anxious, paranoid, and moody.
My most recent expreience with tren, I ran it at 100mg/wk for 3 months (I'm already on HRT anyway). It took about a month to show up but I got the same great results and same acne. The benefits of being ripped are somewhat overshadowed by having huge purple cysts all over your back and shoulders.
My sex drive was phenomonal too. When you're in your 40's the first time you grab your wife and fuck her like an animal she thinks it's great.
When you want to do it every day and twice a day on weekends, it gets to be too much. On top of that, it made me paranoid that my wife was cheating on me. The changes came so gradually at that low dose of tren that I didn't even realize what was happening to me. I also didn't want to accept it because of the great gains I was making. It came very close to costing me my marraige.
I will never touch that poison again.
satyricon1
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Been using tren in the past, had incredible gains in both size and strenght. --i got shut down hard, my pct included clomid, may as well be the clomid that made me into a sappy mofo during PCT, but the gains was very easily kept, felt like I never really lost much, even tho I could not show my face in the gym for several weeks after ended cycle.
Year later, i suffered a severe depression... was medicated and out of work for 12 months, may or may not have nothing to do with the tren, but I am never running tren again without test.. for sure =D
Year later, i suffered a severe depression... was medicated and out of work for 12 months, may or may not have nothing to do with the tren, but I am never running tren again without test.. for sure =D
aaron10121
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best AAS ive ever used. with that said, worst sides ive ever ever had. was shut down for a LONG time. totally demolished my libido for almost 2yrs. went from doctor to doctor, endo to endo...luckily it came back somewhat but like radar said, its poison.
shut down for 2 years? i believe that.
any others honestly recover from tren? and dont say "i felt better a month later"... hard evidence of blood results would be helpful.
I'm 6 months from deca cycle and STILL am not recovered. a lot of people think they are recovered when they are not. it can take 3 full weeks for the esthers to be out of your body and you might think you are recovered, or you could feel recovered from hcg and you really aren't
any others honestly recover from tren? and dont say "i felt better a month later"... hard evidence of blood results would be helpful.
I'm 6 months from deca cycle and STILL am not recovered. a lot of people think they are recovered when they are not. it can take 3 full weeks for the esthers to be out of your body and you might think you are recovered, or you could feel recovered from hcg and you really aren't
Love it .... Gave me the over juiced look lol
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needtogetaas
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Trenbolone acetate is an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid which is derived from the the steroid nandrolone. It’s activity however is quite different to the point that direct comparisons between the two are difficult to make.
Trenbolone acetate has been said to be a non estrogenic steroid
but the same people who say this will tell you that you must have a high level of estrogen in order for progesterone to cause gyno.... Yet Many people who have ran tren on its own have experienced gyno from the compound. I am to the thinking that this dispels the the notion that you must have high levels of estrogen to cause gyno... In fact all that is needed is any estrogen at all or even a synthetic estrogen. Even a androgen of anykind along with high progesterone can cause gyno... A subject I have studies for a very long time.
Anyway this leads me to the next subject. That of using tren alone with out test. Can it be done? Bet your ass it can. Anything can be done but that does not mean its the best choice. Running some test with it is the best choice but that does not mean you are a complete freak for thinking of running it solo. Just means you need better planing. Running a good drug or combo of drugs that will lower estrogen and progesterone as well as a Strong sex drive increasing compound and you are fine ( for the most part)....
However running it with test still remains the best way to run tren. Tren is considerably both more anabolic and androgenic than its parent nandrolone on a milligram for milligram basis. Trenbolone acetate was first extensively studied in 1967, described during a series of studies of experiments into synthetic steroids. Trenbolone acetate is a drug of veterinary medicine which is used almost exclusively to increase the rate of weight gain and improve feed efficiency of cattle shortly before slaughter.
Lets think about this.,.. This drug is a crude drug that was made with nothing else in mind but to put weight on a cow and then kill the fucker. Nothing else was taken into consideration. So the "long life and health" of the subject taking the drug was not taken into consideration.
Tren is so powerful that even the small traces of tren that are in todays cattle has had a profound effects on the people around us.. Ever wounder why little girls at 10 of double D's now? Tren and growth Hormones that is how!!
Trenbolone is considered to be one of the strongest steroids available today. It is roughly three times more anabolic than testosterone and a very potent androgen as well. Users of Trenbolone often report incredible gains in strength and solid muscle mass. The gains seen off of this steroid are lean, quality muscle mass. The high amounts of androgen also work to bring about a defined “ripped” look to the user’s muscles. Although it doesn’t convert to estrogen, trenbolone being a nandrolone derivative does act on the progesterone receptor and can cause related side effects because of this trait. Progesterone side effects are similar to those of estrogenic side effects and can include things such as bloat and gyncomestia . Because of this, users of trenbolone might want to consider running an agent such as bromocripten or cabasear in order to combat possible progesterone related side effects. Trenbolone is a versatile steroid and can be incorporated well into both bulking and cutting cycles. Users looking to bulk may choose to stack Trenbolone acetate with other steroids such as testosterone and an oral such as dianabol. Users looking to run a cutting cycle will often look to stack trenbolone with other steroids such as winstrol and masteron. It is important to note that trenbolone will shut down the body’s natural testosterone production very quickly, thus making a post cycle therapy protocol essential upon the discontinuance of the drug. Users often choose to run testosterone for a couple of weeks after the trenbolone in order to clear the receptors of the compound and make recovery a little easier to accomplish. The high androgenic activity of trenbolone means that androgen related side effects are very common with this drug. These side effects can include things such as oily skin, acne, increased growth of facial and body hair.
Many tren users experience the dreaded tren cough eventually. I do believe some are more prone to the cough than others. speculation as to the catalyst of the tren cough and equal speculation to the validity of each argument. Many people say it’s the solvent, benzyl alcohol, but because “BA” is used in numerous other injectables as a solvent with no symptomatic cough I doubt this theory. I find it more likely that it is an issue directly related to trenbolone acetate, or possibly a combination of the solvent and trenbolone. Or perhaps there is a much less bro-ology explanation of its cause.
It's been widely disussed of Trens fat burning properties through rises in IGF and Prostaglandins. While IGF is a fairly well known substance in the bodybuilding world today, prostaglandins are fairly unknown in terms of formation and roles in the body.
So below, a brief dicription of prostoglandins and their role in fat burning, "fina cough", and why a person going through Tren administration can experience it's fat burning effects without the dreaded "Cough"
The term prostaglandin comes from the word-Prostate. The first prostoglandins were first dicovered in semen about the mid 1930's and it was thought that prostaglandins were made from the prostate. Since this time, it has been dicovered that most prostaglandins are not even constructed in the prostate.
Prostaglandins are made by two different pathways(Cyclooxygenase and Lipoxygenase), and considering prostaglandins are a group of about 20 lipid cells, they have contrary function; responsible for stimulating as well as alleviating inflammation(Inflammation stimulation is the rapid metabolism of them expelled through the bronchials), regulate blood flow to particular organs, control ion transport across membranes, modulate synaptic transmission, induce sleep, mediate lipid release, and regulate metabolism is various tissue.
Prostaglandins are synthesized from arachidonate(Lipoxygenase which catalyze the dioxygenation of polyunsaturated fatty acids) in the cell membrane by the action of phospholipase A2. Cyclooxygenase and lipoxygenase pathways, compete with one another to form prostaglandins(as well as thromboxane or leukotriene-leukotriene being a bronchial stimulator),
In the cyclooxygenase pathway, the prostaglandins D, E and F plus thromboxane and prostacyclin are made. Thromboxanes are made in platelets and cause constriction of vascular smooth muscle and platelet aggregation
Leukotrienes are made in leukocytes and macrophages via the lipoxygenase pathway. They are potent constrictors of the bronchial airways. They are also important in inflammation and hypersensitivity reactions as they increase vascular permeability.
Being that prostaglandins from either pathway, are still fatty acids of a group, they mediate lipid release and controll tissue metabolization, so fat burning is a luxerry of either pathway of formation. It's the pathway from which they are constructed that dictates "fina cough". As prostaglandins made from the Cyclooxygenase pathway dictate muscle constriction and platlet aggregation, and the Lipoxygenase pathway dictates bronchial constriction. Prostalglandins = Short-lived, hormone-like chemicals that regulate cellular activities on a moment-to-moment basis and are produced in most tissues of the body. Involved in the "Activation of the inflammatory response, production of pain, and fever"..
The typical dosage for men taking trenbolone is 300-600mg a week. Because of the fast acting nature of the acetate ester, users inject Trenbolone acetate either every day or every other day. Users of this drug often limit cycles to 6-8 weeks in order to prevent any natural HPTA recovery issues. Women are urged to stay away from trenbolone, as the strong androgenic properties of this drug almost guarantee masculizing side effects will occur.
Tren has been shows to lower Insulin sensitivity as well as thyroid activity. Yes even though tren helps with fat lose and cutting cycles it does so through other mechanisms. Tren users would be wise to Use ether drugs like t-3 well on tren or a good supplements combo... Need2slin and Zip would be the perfect combo
Last but not least at the end of the day tren NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED.
Trenbolone acetate has been said to be a non estrogenic steroid
but the same people who say this will tell you that you must have a high level of estrogen in order for progesterone to cause gyno.... Yet Many people who have ran tren on its own have experienced gyno from the compound. I am to the thinking that this dispels the the notion that you must have high levels of estrogen to cause gyno... In fact all that is needed is any estrogen at all or even a synthetic estrogen. Even a androgen of anykind along with high progesterone can cause gyno... A subject I have studies for a very long time.
Anyway this leads me to the next subject. That of using tren alone with out test. Can it be done? Bet your ass it can. Anything can be done but that does not mean its the best choice. Running some test with it is the best choice but that does not mean you are a complete freak for thinking of running it solo. Just means you need better planing. Running a good drug or combo of drugs that will lower estrogen and progesterone as well as a Strong sex drive increasing compound and you are fine ( for the most part)....
However running it with test still remains the best way to run tren. Tren is considerably both more anabolic and androgenic than its parent nandrolone on a milligram for milligram basis. Trenbolone acetate was first extensively studied in 1967, described during a series of studies of experiments into synthetic steroids. Trenbolone acetate is a drug of veterinary medicine which is used almost exclusively to increase the rate of weight gain and improve feed efficiency of cattle shortly before slaughter.
Lets think about this.,.. This drug is a crude drug that was made with nothing else in mind but to put weight on a cow and then kill the fucker. Nothing else was taken into consideration. So the "long life and health" of the subject taking the drug was not taken into consideration.
Tren is so powerful that even the small traces of tren that are in todays cattle has had a profound effects on the people around us.. Ever wounder why little girls at 10 of double D's now? Tren and growth Hormones that is how!!
Trenbolone is considered to be one of the strongest steroids available today. It is roughly three times more anabolic than testosterone and a very potent androgen as well. Users of Trenbolone often report incredible gains in strength and solid muscle mass. The gains seen off of this steroid are lean, quality muscle mass. The high amounts of androgen also work to bring about a defined “ripped” look to the user’s muscles. Although it doesn’t convert to estrogen, trenbolone being a nandrolone derivative does act on the progesterone receptor and can cause related side effects because of this trait. Progesterone side effects are similar to those of estrogenic side effects and can include things such as bloat and gyncomestia . Because of this, users of trenbolone might want to consider running an agent such as bromocripten or cabasear in order to combat possible progesterone related side effects. Trenbolone is a versatile steroid and can be incorporated well into both bulking and cutting cycles. Users looking to bulk may choose to stack Trenbolone acetate with other steroids such as testosterone and an oral such as dianabol. Users looking to run a cutting cycle will often look to stack trenbolone with other steroids such as winstrol and masteron. It is important to note that trenbolone will shut down the body’s natural testosterone production very quickly, thus making a post cycle therapy protocol essential upon the discontinuance of the drug. Users often choose to run testosterone for a couple of weeks after the trenbolone in order to clear the receptors of the compound and make recovery a little easier to accomplish. The high androgenic activity of trenbolone means that androgen related side effects are very common with this drug. These side effects can include things such as oily skin, acne, increased growth of facial and body hair.
Many tren users experience the dreaded tren cough eventually. I do believe some are more prone to the cough than others. speculation as to the catalyst of the tren cough and equal speculation to the validity of each argument. Many people say it’s the solvent, benzyl alcohol, but because “BA” is used in numerous other injectables as a solvent with no symptomatic cough I doubt this theory. I find it more likely that it is an issue directly related to trenbolone acetate, or possibly a combination of the solvent and trenbolone. Or perhaps there is a much less bro-ology explanation of its cause.
It's been widely disussed of Trens fat burning properties through rises in IGF and Prostaglandins. While IGF is a fairly well known substance in the bodybuilding world today, prostaglandins are fairly unknown in terms of formation and roles in the body.
So below, a brief dicription of prostoglandins and their role in fat burning, "fina cough", and why a person going through Tren administration can experience it's fat burning effects without the dreaded "Cough"
The term prostaglandin comes from the word-Prostate. The first prostoglandins were first dicovered in semen about the mid 1930's and it was thought that prostaglandins were made from the prostate. Since this time, it has been dicovered that most prostaglandins are not even constructed in the prostate.
Prostaglandins are made by two different pathways(Cyclooxygenase and Lipoxygenase), and considering prostaglandins are a group of about 20 lipid cells, they have contrary function; responsible for stimulating as well as alleviating inflammation(Inflammation stimulation is the rapid metabolism of them expelled through the bronchials), regulate blood flow to particular organs, control ion transport across membranes, modulate synaptic transmission, induce sleep, mediate lipid release, and regulate metabolism is various tissue.
Prostaglandins are synthesized from arachidonate(Lipoxygenase which catalyze the dioxygenation of polyunsaturated fatty acids) in the cell membrane by the action of phospholipase A2. Cyclooxygenase and lipoxygenase pathways, compete with one another to form prostaglandins(as well as thromboxane or leukotriene-leukotriene being a bronchial stimulator),
In the cyclooxygenase pathway, the prostaglandins D, E and F plus thromboxane and prostacyclin are made. Thromboxanes are made in platelets and cause constriction of vascular smooth muscle and platelet aggregation
Leukotrienes are made in leukocytes and macrophages via the lipoxygenase pathway. They are potent constrictors of the bronchial airways. They are also important in inflammation and hypersensitivity reactions as they increase vascular permeability.
Being that prostaglandins from either pathway, are still fatty acids of a group, they mediate lipid release and controll tissue metabolization, so fat burning is a luxerry of either pathway of formation. It's the pathway from which they are constructed that dictates "fina cough". As prostaglandins made from the Cyclooxygenase pathway dictate muscle constriction and platlet aggregation, and the Lipoxygenase pathway dictates bronchial constriction. Prostalglandins = Short-lived, hormone-like chemicals that regulate cellular activities on a moment-to-moment basis and are produced in most tissues of the body. Involved in the "Activation of the inflammatory response, production of pain, and fever"..
The typical dosage for men taking trenbolone is 300-600mg a week. Because of the fast acting nature of the acetate ester, users inject Trenbolone acetate either every day or every other day. Users of this drug often limit cycles to 6-8 weeks in order to prevent any natural HPTA recovery issues. Women are urged to stay away from trenbolone, as the strong androgenic properties of this drug almost guarantee masculizing side effects will occur.
Tren has been shows to lower Insulin sensitivity as well as thyroid activity. Yes even though tren helps with fat lose and cutting cycles it does so through other mechanisms. Tren users would be wise to Use ether drugs like t-3 well on tren or a good supplements combo... Need2slin and Zip would be the perfect combo
Last but not least at the end of the day tren NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED.
why i ask is because im comeing up to my 6weeks into a Suss250, Test Prop, and Decca cycle i ran out of decca and im gettn my hands on some Tren Ace i think it is Ace...
so i was planning on runnung the last 4weeks of my cycle like this..
Suss250- 250mg 2x aweek.
Test prop- 1ml 3x aweek
Tren- 1ml or 0.75ml 3x aweek
keep in mind im useN..
HcGenerate on and off cycle,
unleashed and poast cycle,
N2guard.
Forma-Stanzol.
i got some arimidex and nolvadex on hand.
so what would u guys reccomend.???
so i was planning on runnung the last 4weeks of my cycle like this..
Suss250- 250mg 2x aweek.
Test prop- 1ml 3x aweek
Tren- 1ml or 0.75ml 3x aweek
keep in mind im useN..
HcGenerate on and off cycle,
unleashed and poast cycle,
N2guard.
Forma-Stanzol.
i got some arimidex and nolvadex on hand.
so what would u guys reccomend.???
needtogetaas
New member
never end a cycle with tren my friend.
needtogetaas
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I try to make time for my peeps on the forums my man... All the forums.
needtogetaas
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but ef will always be my home.
haha.....great sounds like making a deal with the devil for some folks...bald, zits, shut down, night sweats, irritability. etc....
I wanna plan a NY recomp cycle blast in addition to my HRT and would love to do high dose Primo and Var but its so expensive....Tren was tempting but now I think Im chicken! hah...maybe moderate dose 400mg Primo and 400mg Masteron week for a decent blast will be way more expensive but less worries about potential sides.....
I wanna plan a NY recomp cycle blast in addition to my HRT and would love to do high dose Primo and Var but its so expensive....Tren was tempting but now I think Im chicken! hah...maybe moderate dose 400mg Primo and 400mg Masteron week for a decent blast will be way more expensive but less worries about potential sides.....
hey needto.
um i was going to run it in conjunction with Test Prop for the last four weeks of my cycle..
is this not advisable and why?
also if it is all good to do... how long after my last shot do i then start my full pct stack???
needtogetaas
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needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
50mg EOD is a good amount to start out with. See how you react. Increase the dose to 75mg or 100mg as tolerated.
need2 also brought up a good point - do not run tren at the end of the cycle. Do it at the beginning for 6-8 weeks. The longer you run it the more likely you will have recovery problems.
A few posters here mentioned it took 1 to 2 years to recover. I know a guy who ran tren off and on for close to a year. He never recovered.
Most people do not know this because it is recommended for deca but run dostinex with tren. 1mg a week.
run the test past the tren
thanks mate..
ill run 50mg-75mg every 3days of Tren (tri,Mix) for 3- weeks
with
1ml of prop every 3days for 5weeks
and a full pct after. sound good?
also do u think i would see major sides?
