your liver isnt much at risk

[finalabs]

my opinion after 20 years of juice is that your liver really is usually ok with juice.
I have had my liver checked at least 10 times at various points during cycles and only had elevated levels 1 time and I was partying like 1 day before
and was dehydrated
but i have taken finaplex orally , anadrol ,halotestin with zero problems and
there are lots of drugs that are bad as 17aa steroids and people are put on them for 20 years straight

 

[the_alcatraz]

I don't agree with you bro. I mean oral steroids are cool and all, and much easier to take, but they kill your liver! My $0.02!

 

[Cryptlord]

Believe it or not, but some livers are stronger than others. Its genetics. You are a lucky one I suppose.

 

[finalabs]

I don't agree with you bro. I mean oral steroids are cool and all, and much easier to take, but they kill your liver! My $0.02!

but where does it come From there are people taking tons of orals all over america they dont die its just like the whole steroid lie
and people take liver sensitive drugs like lipitor daily for life no problems or drink daily for life
im just saying i never had problems and I feel many people just take it as its bad on your liver when i was in high school my friends dad was on 20mgs of halotestin his whole life

if isaid im going to take halos for 6 months on here
they will say your going to die I feel get your tests and see but its kind of a scare tactic

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I can't link a source (cause I don't care enough to look for it), but I've read several times where anadrol has been linked to benign liver tumors.
I myself have used and most likely will use Abombs again, but I'm not cavalier about it either.
If I'm running Abombs, Dboll, and Trenn, I'll no longer drink beer - because I feel like total crap for a day or two afterwards. I don't need a test to prove that cause and effect - I can feel it!
I don't think anyone can say you'll die if you use orals (short term), but it's like smoking, over the course of a lifetime health problems will catch up with most people.

 

[chazk]

finalabs blood work is not he only way to test a liver.
many times guys have perfect liver enyzme counts.
It is not untill they have a utltra sound or ct scan that they detect the start of tumors.

So you can bash away at your liver for years feel good have elivated enyzmes
that come down to normal.

That still does not mean the liver damage is gone.

That is like saying once a guys stops drinking a 12 pack a day his liver returns to normal
becuase it does not.

The liver can "repair itself" from most of the damage but still leaves hard dense scar tissue.

So blood work is the first option, ultra sound would also be good to have done once a year to detect any dense areas or liver enlargment

 

[advanced-stealth]

Anything you ingest can be damaging to your liver. High concentrations of steroids and liquor or beer can put severe strain on the liver, up to the point of causing damage!

 

[chazk]

also you chewed up the fina pellets and ate them.

the asorbtion rate orally is so low and the dose needed is very toxic orally to get results

 

[Tatyana]

I think that the variation in people needs to be addressed.

I love what Dorian Yates said "Steroids are like smoking, there are some people who are still puffing away at 90, and there are others who have lung problems at 40" (or something to that effect).

I have been reading this book called Biochemical Individuality, and it has been incredibly interesting and a real eye opener.

Not all the enzymes we have in our body function with exactly the same efficiency in every single person.

There is also a huge variation in just the SIZE of the liver, so if you were someone who was born with a smaller liver......................

This is what I do know about the pharmacology of drugs, they are processed in the liver in the mitochondria in the p450 cytochrome system.

Mitochondria are funny little organelles, it is thought that they, and chloroplasts (the similar energy making machinery in plants), arose because they were more or less 'eaten' by a bigger single cell organism in the primordial times. They have a structure and DNA that is more similar to bacteria (prokaryote), than a typical animal cell (eukaryote).

We get our mitochondria from our moms only, and as I mentioned, they have a completely different set of DNA than the rest of our body cells.

With regards to drug processing, everything we eat makes a first pass through the liver and is metabolised, and a lot of drugs are designed to be able to activated here, or withstand metabolism etc (pharmacology is seriously complicated).

Not all drugs work on everyone due to physiological and biochemical variations, some drugs have a detrimental effect on people (adverse events), some drugs will not work on certain 'racial' groups.

While it is great that you have not had any bad effects (although chazK also has a point about tumours being 'walled off'), you can't say that they will be safe for everyone.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I don't think anyone can say you'll die if you use orals (short term), but it's like smoking, over the course of a lifetime health problems will catch up with most people.

Great answer. I agree totally!

 

[jumpmaster82]

Gear is hard on the liver, but I do think its not quite as hard as alot of ppl think.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I beg to differ. Anything that passes through the liver, including amino acids pills, when it becomes in excess is really HARD on the liver. It will make your liver work in over-drive, and that messes it up.

 

[Nelson Montana]

And everything may seem fine with the liver, but once hepotoxicity hits, you're fucked. The damage can accelerate quickly and there's no such thing as a liver transplant.

Will a couple of dball a day for two 6 week cycles a year kill you? No. But if you overdo it, and are suseptable to liver disease, and then add some drinking on top of it, you can do some serious damage.

 

[Tatyana]

And everything may seem fine with the liver, but once hepotoxicity hits, you're fucked. The damage can accelerate quickly and there's no such thing as a liver transplant.

Will a couple of dball a day for two 6 week cycles a year kill you? No. But if you overdo it, and are suseptable to liver disease, and then add some drinking on top of it, you can do some serious damage.

So true, there are no symptoms until the liver damage is quite progressed.

There are liver transplants, however, not many people donate organs, and to find a match for the liver, and also, transplantations really SUCKS.

It is such a last ditch effort to save people, and the immunosuppresion drugs are a nightmare in themselves, and you have to take them for the remaining time you are alive.

 

[b_light]

Every alcoholic i have know has died from at least 20+ years of HARD drinking, that means getting shit faced every single hour they are awake (at least the people i knew). My uncle for example died from a shit liver when he was i think 55 and had been drinking like an alky since he was probably 13-15. I also have a friend whose uncle used to take 4-5 oxycotin, guzzle them down with kettle one vodka and drink beers all day every day and smoked like a chimeny. He probably started smoking and drinking when he was 15 id say and he died in his early 60's.

Now compare that abuse over that long a period of time to steroids and you decide.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I guess it's a good thing I don't drink

 

[Powerbuilder333]

The good news is now they don't have to transplant a whole liver. Just a small piece from a matching donor can save your life.
Personally not a prefered option - lol.

 

[702daswoll1]

What up Power?????? We need to hook up sometime for lunch or something..

 

[truckdaddy]

as long as you give it a break......your groovy

 

[Powerbuilder333]

What up Power?????? We need to hook up sometime for lunch or something..

I like Chinese buffet (on Nellis) after training on Fridays.

 

[the_alcatraz]

What up Power?????? We need to hook up sometime for lunch or something..

Wow, where did that come from?

 

[LiquidPhire]

Wheres Jeb, he has stated he got benign tumors from high dose orals.

I don't know about you, but I'll pass...

 

[josenunes]

better safe than sorry ,when on orals go with:
liv52,liverlonger(thermolife) and liver support (now)

 

[halfcenturian]

So how 'bout those DALLAS COWBOYS !!!

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Tatayana has come up with the most appropriate response so far, and I'll add to it:

Genetic variations in your ability to metabolize anything are also in play here. I wouldn't take anyone's word here as Gospel, and also add that different P450 enzymes first pass metabolize different drugs. Although I'm short on examples here (dont care to dig them up), it's possible to tax your liver with seemingly inane things if they're metabolized by similar/the same p450 enzymes, so whether it's true that orals is what's taxing your liver or not, remember most everythign you consume has to go through first phase metabolism (save if you inject it) so be looking for the cumulative effects.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

Make no mistake about it halo,dbol and adrol are very toxic PERIOD.
But I totally agree with the smoking analogy some people can smoke like a chimney till there 90 and other people get lung cancer at 40 and die and taking steroids are the same way. Thats why its so important to get your blood work done.