young kid needs advice asap.

[sacrifice561]

Hey i am 17 years old and just started lifting weights and i need advice on a steroid that is effective but will not show many side effects. i know 17 is young to start but im going to do steroids so i mite as well get best one for the way i am right now. i need one that wont be too noticable to other people but will increase my strength quickly. i only need to take 1-2 cycles. please let me know what to use and if your going to say dont take it at all please dont even waste your time posting because im going to take one steroid so hopefully u pros will help me out and guide me to the safest, yet most effective way to gain strength. im 5'11 hovering around 190-195 give or take time of day. thanks guys

 

[enacer420nj]

Are you fucking kidding me kid? Your not even legally an adult...your going to fuck yourself up if you do steroids now you dont need them....your gonna get flamed big time.

 

[all the whey]

Don't fuck yourself up starting so young!!1

If you just started lifting, then you can gain 20 to 30lbs with a good diet!!!!!!! Then, do juice if you need to!!!!

Seriously!

 

[centy]

If you take steroids now, there is a very good chance that you will fuck yourself up later in life.

I'd suggest creatine and more intense workouts.

 

[sacrifice561]

i do work out. very hard and 5 days a week with football training and right now all we are doing is weightlifting. is there any mild steroids like something of the effect of ribbed tabs that will help me get my bench squat and clean up signifigantly in a short amount of time? i used creatine and now im using n o explode preworkout with serious mass protein shakes. i need something to get me stronger fast. maybe not neccesarily steroids but idk u guys tell me

 

[Big_BK]

Eat enough food for a family of 3 and you will make better gains then anyone on your team. What you need right now is food, not drugs. I know for a fact you arent eating enough. You gotta be eating in every single class, everyday in school. If your teachers bitch have the coach talk to them or get a note that you need to eat. I got alot of shit for it when i was in HS but now im the one giving the shit!

 

[EricG]

You don't need steroids bro,

Whats your diet look like? what about your training, "training for a short while" what does that mean, how many months, years? etc

Honestly theres a big misconception about steroids that its a magick drug that will just blow you up and make you the next arnold, thats total bullshit.

Most of it comes down to your training routine, and as importantly your diet. Those two can make you look huge with just a year or two of solid training.

Steroids are best used for people who have maxed out there genetic capability, have mature muscle mass and as well know exactly how there body reacts to certain exersizes and food intake.

Keep training and eating solid for the next 6 months and you will be surprized with the results you end up with.

-Eric

 

[all the whey]

i do work out. very hard and 5 days a week with football training and right now all we are doing is weightlifting. is there any mild steroids like something of the effect of ribbed tabs that will help me get my bench squat and clean up signifigantly in a short amount of time? i used creatine and now im using n o explode preworkout with serious mass protein shakes. i need something to get me stronger fast. maybe not neccesarily steroids but idk u guys tell me

eating 7 meals a day (check diet forum)
Post workout shake
EFA's
a good creantine NO (amplify 02. see adds here)
atleast 7 hrs sleep.
a PROVEN workout. (not just going to the gym and doing what the other people do)

Your strength and size will skyrocket!!!!!!!!!1


You are young and have test levels and growth hormone levels almost as high as older guys do when they are on steroids. You have atleast 5 more yrs of these high levels. YOU WILL FUCK THIS UP IF YOU DO STEROIDS!!!!

 

[dabuffguy]

Hey i am 17 years old and just started lifting weights and i need advice on a steroid that is effective but will not show many side effects. i know 17 is young to start but im going to do steroids so i mite as well get best one for the way i am right now. i need one that wont be too noticable to other people but will increase my strength quickly. i only need to take 1-2 cycles. please let me know what to use and if your going to say dont take it at all please dont even waste your time posting because im going to take one steroid so hopefully u pros will help me out and guide me to the safest, yet most effective way to gain strength. im 5'11 hovering around 190-195 give or take time of day. thanks guys

If you just started lifting weights, you could gain 25 lbs in 6 months at your age with dedication without steroids, which is huge. A 17 year old kid has HIGH testosterone and can gain a lot muscle without steroids. Don't be an idiot. DO NOT take steroids at your age.

Your body is trying to figure out how to balance it's hormones and you are not a full grown man. Taking steroids will alter you hormonal course and will cause a world of problems you will regret before you are even 21. I have a close friend that started seroids at 16. He can longer produce his own testosterone and is on Testosterone therapy for life and he's only 20 years. Stay away from it period. It is not for you.

Eating big and training hard and dedicated IS for you. You can go very far with it. In 2 months you will see just as big a difference with dedication as you would with steroids anyway, so it's a waste.

Stay away is all I can say. You said "I'm gonna do them anyway". Like hell you are. If I could, I'd reach trough this monitor and smack you in the mouth for being so juvenile and irresponsible. I mean that in a nice way with concern for your well being for the rest of your life. STAY AWAY.

If you want help with training and diet send me a PM and I will help you through e-mail th ebest I can.

I will do anything to get you not to take them. It is a very bad idea.

 

[sacrifice561]

ok so give me an example of a normal day. i have 7 periods. lunch in between 4th and 5th hour. school goes from 8:30-3:20. each class is about 55 minutes long. so could u give me a sample food plan for a normal school day? and the reason is i need to get stronger by football season which is in about 5 months. i need short term gains. large gains. i work out 3 hours a day mon-fri. alternate between legs and upper body. its a workout the entire football team does. and so it seems basically you guys are all telling me not to do steroids.... i guess now im not going to but i am desperate to make fast gains. im bigger body size than most guys on my team but some are benching over 300 im just now hitting 200 and im just so fustrated becuz everyone asks me if i bench 350 yet....

 

[venomouss]

I totally agree with everone here your too young but if you must I would hate to see you just guess and possibly hurt yourself. Here's exect training and eating routine. If you follow this you will get big. This regime came from another athlete and worked great for me. My stats 6'1 272lbs 36 inch waist. Oh and if your going to juice, for what your looking to gain Anavar seems like the best choice, about 40mgs a day should do the trick. BUT I STRONGLY RECOMMEND NOT USING AAS YOU WILL GOW FROM THIS PROGRAM IF YOU FOLLOW IT CORRECTLY HEAR ME!


Meals;

Breakfast ideas:
7-10% lean ground beef
Honey Nut Cheerios cereal
Oatmeal
Bagels
Whole eggs
Cheese
Bananas

Lunch ideas:
Tortillas
Ground beef
Salsa
Cheese
Bread
White rice


Dinner ideas:
Fish
Broccoli
White rice
Ground beef
Bell peppers
Potatoes
Steak

Snack ideas:
Roast beef
Beef jerkey
Natural peanut butter
Graham crackers
String cheese

Training;
The Workout

Day 1: Chest and Delts

Bench Press 5x5 (ex: 135x5, 185x5, 225x5, 315x5, and 365x5)
Incline dumbbell press 3x8
Weighted Dips 3x8 *

Jerk and Press 5x5
Side laterals 2x12

Day 2: Legs

Leg Extensions 2x15
Squats 5x5
Stiff leg deadlifts 3x8
Heavy dumbbell lunges 3x6
Standing calf 3x12
Seated calf 3x8

Day 3: Back

Chins 3x max reps or Pulldowns if you are too weak or heavy to do chins
Reverse grip barbell rows, Yates style 3x8
Rack Deadlifts 5x5 **
Barbell Shrugs 3x6
Reverse flyes 2x15 ***

Day 4: Arms, Abs and other crap

Standing barbell curl 3x8
Reverse grip bench on smith 3x12 ****
Preacher curls 3x8
Skull crushers 3x12
Crunches
Full body stretching

* Dips for chest require elbows tucked in close to your body, chin tucked in your chest and a forward lean.

** Set the pins 2 inches below your kneecaps on the squat rack. Add as much weight as you can, take a wide stance and pull your dead. You will be able to use much more weight and the focus will be on your traps and lats.

*** Bend over at the waist with 20lb or so dumbbells and do what is similar to db chest flyes but reverse them to work your rear delts, rhomboids and terres major and minor.

**** Use a smith machine and weight similar to your bench press. Keep your triceps tucked in close to your body, lay totally flat on the bench and hold the bar across your palms with your fingers facing away from your body – toward your toes, the opposite of a bench press grip. Let the weight come down slowly building tension in your triceps like a spring and then explode up. Higher reps make the triceps grow faster, you do low rep tricep workouts with chest and delt day.

That is it, each workout is one hour if you are slow, 30 minutes on a quick day. The point is not how much you do, it is how hard you do it. For some trainers this might seem like too much, for others, not enough. Even though the large exercises are listed as 5 sets, that includes your warm-up and working sets. See the example for bench, if you can do 365 for 5 reps, start with 135lbs for 5 reps, go to 185 for 5 reps, etc until you reach your working set as your last set. That 5th rep must absolutely be your last rep. The following workout, use that weight until you get to 8-10 reps, then add weight to bring it back down to the 5th rep being your last and repeat each workout in that fashion so you make gains every single week. So while 5 sets may seem like a lot on paper, you are really only doing one all out full working set on each exercise with it taken to full muscular failure.

 

[all the whey]

ok so give me an example of a normal day. i have 7 periods. lunch in between 4th and 5th hour. school goes from 8:30-3:20. each class is about 55 minutes long. so could u give me a sample food plan for a normal school day? and the reason is i need to get stronger by football season which is in about 5 months. i need short term gains. large gains. i work out 3 hours a day mon-fri. alternate between legs and upper body. its a workout the entire football team does. and so it seems basically you guys are all telling me not to do steroids.... i guess now im not going to but i am desperate to make fast gains. im bigger body size than most guys on my team but some are benching over 300 im just now hitting 200 and im just so fustrated becuz everyone asks me if i bench 350 yet....

3 hours a day is way to long. ???


Bro, don't worry about how much you bench. I am one of the biggest and most in shape guys at my gym. I don't give a fuck what my bench is. I can do some nice reps at a decent weight.

This is 10 times more healthier and builds strength and muscle.

Don't be the fat assholes that only worry about how much they bench. And, are injured all the time.

 

[floridalife]

ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DO NOT DO JUICE!! YOU WILL DESTROY YOUR BODY!!

You are still growing, some people's growth plates don't even close untill they are 20. You are growing, have Natural test and growth hormone through the roof right now!

Make use of it and work your ass off and eat!!!

 

[dabuffguy]

ok so give me an example of a normal day. i have 7 periods. lunch in between 4th and 5th hour. school goes from 8:30-3:20. each class is about 55 minutes long. so could u give me a sample food plan for a normal school day? and the reason is i need to get stronger by football season which is in about 5 months. i need short term gains. large gains. i work out 3 hours a day mon-fri. alternate between legs and upper body. its a workout the entire football team does. and so it seems basically you guys are all telling me not to do steroids.... i guess now im not going to but i am desperate to make fast gains. im bigger body size than most guys on my team but some are benching over 300 im just now hitting 200 and im just so fustrated becuz everyone asks me if i bench 350 yet....

I'm 6'2 225 and lean and I don't bench even 260. So don't worry. Mass is more useful than brute strength in HS anyway. If you are big, you'll hit hard and avoid tackles well. Being able to bench 300+ doesn't mean shit when you get on the field. you are 5'11 195. That is a big thick build anyway for a kid. work hard and you'll improve dramatically.

Get serious about your legs and core lifts (squats, deadlifts, bench and powercleans). You'll get strong. If you need someone to help you, talk to a coach that knows his shit. I know some high school coaches are dumbasses.

When I started lifting I couldn't bench 135 twice.

Also, think about this: It's high school football. It doesn't mean shit really. If you have the talent to make it to the next level, you'll make it no worries.

I played pro baseball for 2 years and never took steroids or creatine for that matter, and I threw 92 mph. I worked my ass off daily and that's all it takes. Yeah, I had the talent, but hard work was the main factor. Then my elbow blew out....

 

[sacrifice561]

well i am only benching 200, squating 340 and cleaning 205 one rep max.... so 365..... not going to work out at all.i look so much bigger then my strength shows. basically i benched more in 8th grade then i do now in 11th because i stopped working out. i am so far behind and i need to catch up fast. my football regimine for lifting is (going off our max) 50%x 10. 65%x8 70%x6 75%x4 85%x3 90%x2. thats the basic workout for squat bench and cleans. its a 5week program right now and the 5th week is maxout so re evaluate our maxes and adjust our workouts which are altered by rising 1 rep max levels.....

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Listen to these guys when they say it is all about training. If you are already doing all/mostly power exercises (bench, cleans, squats, deads) then you are already on the right track there. You need to get in over 4000 cals a day. I can't give you something exact but I attached my diet to this post. My diet right now is 3400 cals a day with protein at 420g, carbs at 260g at fat at 60g. You just need to add about 200 more grams of carbs to it however you want and maybe add about 40g of fat as well. Fat has more calories than carbs or protein (almost twice as much per gram) so it can help you get in cals. Also you can change it up a bit as its just an example. I'm sure these guys will be able to give you more specific info as well.

But the #1 thing is DONT DO STEROIDS AT YOUR AGE PERIOD. These guys already went over it pretty well so I don't need to go into the details. Just upping your cals to 4500 a day with 2g of protein per lb of body weight will get you where you need to be.

 

[dabuffguy]

well i am only benching 200, squating 340 and cleaning 205 one rep max.... so 365..... not going to work out at all.i look so much bigger then my strength shows. basically i benched more in 8th grade then i do now in 11th because i stopped working out. i am so far behind and i need to catch up fast. my football regimine for lifting is (going off our max) 50%x 10. 65%x8 70%x6 75%x4 85%x3 90%x2. thats the basic workout for squat bench and cleans. its a 5week program right now and the 5th week is maxout so re evaluate our maxes and adjust our workouts which are altered by rising 1 rep max levels.....

Listen to me. Wok hard naturally. The gains will come. Resorting to steroids is a horrible choice. It's is sad the pressure kids feel to use steroids because someone else is bigger or stronger. Guess what, there is always someone bigger or stronger no matter where you go. High school social pressure is total bulshit 100%. You'll realize that the day you graduate. At your size, you have a great build. If you benched more in 8th grade, you'll surpass that withing weeks easily.

 

[venomouss]

well i am only benching 200, squating 340 and cleaning 205 one rep max.... so 365..... not going to work out at all.i look so much bigger then my strength shows. basically i benched more in 8th grade then i do now in 11th because i stopped working out. i am so far behind and i need to catch up fast. my football regimine for lifting is (going off our max) 50%x 10. 65%x8 70%x6 75%x4 85%x3 90%x2. thats the basic workout for squat bench and cleans. its a 5week program right now and the 5th week is maxout so re evaluate our maxes and adjust our workouts which are altered by rising 1 rep max levels.....

Those weights i listed in the program are examples adjust your weights accordingly. They are also ideas on what to eat not exact meals you should try to throw two snack times in there also one mid morning and mid afternoon.

It seems like alot and as you get older training and nutrition become a way of life for some and not for others, hence the way people look...


Don't worry about pre workout drink be concerned be concerned with post workout. Nutrex makes a great product vitargo for post workout get use!

I was a middle linebacker in college and NFL....

 

[sacrifice561]

yeah dude idk i guess im just under a lot of pressure to do really good this year because of my reputation around school as being one of the bigger kids and im competeing with a huge ass black kid for the middle line backer spot but so for my workout diets n all that basically your saying i need around 4500 calories a day? and if i weight 190 pounds i need atleast 380g of protein a day? what times should i take a protein shake besides the one right after my workout is over? and should i still be taking creatine before/after/with my workouts even tho i am taking no2. ( i sed n-o- explode earlier i was wrong)

 

[venomouss]

Don't worry about pre workout drink be concerned be concerned with post workout. Nutrex makes a great product vitargo for post workout get use!

I was a middle linebacker in college and NFL....

 

[venomouss]

After workouts vitargo in one shaker drink that in about 20 minutes wait about 15 minutes and in another shaker drink protein no carbs.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

yeah dude idk i guess im just under a lot of pressure to do really good this year because of my reputation around school as being one of the bigger kids and im competeing with a huge ass black kid for the middle line backer spot but so for my workout diets n all that basically your saying i need around 4500 calories a day? and if i weight 190 pounds i need atleast 380g of protein a day? what times should i take a protein shake besides the one right after my workout is over? and should i still be taking creatine before/after/with my workouts even tho i am taking no2. ( i sed n-o- explode earlier i was wrong)

Try to get as much of your protein as possible from real meat and food. If you are eating around 400g of protein a day no more than about 100g of that should be from shakes. They are a good addition but real food is where its at. Also listen to him when he says post workout is the most important. That is when your muscles immediately need nutrients. The waxy maize powder he recommended will spike your insulin right after your workout so that when you have your whey protein shake of 50g or so of protein 20 minutes later the insulin will basically push the protein into your muscles. That is when shakes are good. The whey is much faster absorbing than eating regular food so it gets to your muscles fast when you need it.

Just make sure you are eating every 2-3 hours and that every meal has protein in it. If you do that you wont have to worry about pre workout because you will have recently had a meal and it will have had protien in it and carbs which will get you through your workout.

You definitely need over 4k cals a day though. I'm only 160 and I need 3500 to grow.

 

[muscleup]

Do not use !!! You are a very young man and have PLENTY of natural Testosterone....Don't get caught up in numbers...Some people will ALWAYS be able to bench more than you. It's just how Biomechanics are.

I'm twice your age and 5'8-5'9@240@12% and I very rarley go above 275lbs on Bench for sets of 8-10. Learn to control the weight your working with, and to eat correctly.

Again do not get caught up in how much you weigh, or how much you lift...Cause there will always be someone who weighs more and can push/pull more...Gear or no gear.

If I could make my chest grow by pushing 135 then I would not worry about going above it.

Please, Please ,Please do not even think about using gear. Not to come down on you here, but your the reason it is looked upon so negatively here in the States.

In another couple years maybe start looking into Natural supplementation, it will help you alot. I would not advise anyone under the age of 25-30 to touch gear.

 

[sacrifice561]

well im taking serious mass 50g protein shake 1250 calories immediatly following my workout. i also take 4 tablespoons of 2222 amino acids. what else do i need

 

[dabuffguy]

yeah dude idk i guess im just under a lot of pressure to do really good this year because of my reputation around school as being one of the bigger kids and im competeing with a huge ass black kid for the middle line backer spot but so for my workout diets n all that basically your saying i need around 4500 calories a day? and if i weight 190 pounds i need atleast 380g of protein a day? what times should i take a protein shake besides the one right after my workout is over? and should i still be taking creatine before/after/with my workouts even tho i am taking no2. ( i sed n-o- explode earlier i was wrong)

Fuck the pressure. It doesn't exist. It's all in your head. If you work your ass off and do the best you can, that's all there is to it and you can't do anymore. If people think less of you after training your ass off, then fuck 'em because you don't want friends like that. Your reputation as a "big guy" at school is good, just be a cool guy and friends with everyone. A man that keep it's real and treats others well is more important that being huge, buff, good at football, and is an asshole. You can be all those, just don't be an asshole. Train hard dude, keep it real, and stay away from the juice.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

After workouts vitargo in one shaker drink that in about 20 minutes wait about 15 minutes and in another shaker drink protein no carbs.

Which flavor do you use? The fruit punch or the orange? I'm looking to add waxy maize into my routine. Right now I just have a pro complex shake with skim milk post workout.

 

[venomouss]

Which flavor do you use? The fruit punch or the orange? I'm looking to add waxy maize into my routine. Right now I just have a pro complex shake with skim milk post workout.

Orange

 

[sacrifice561]

so today i used no3 overload and 4 table spoons of 2222mg amino acids then pre workout im using a 50g 1250 calorie protein shake with another 4 tablespoons of amino acids. that sound ok?

 

[muscleup]

I just ordered a bunch of Waxi as well for PWO...I got grape

However back to the kid....DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT TOUCHING GEAR !!!

There is nothing on the market legal, or illegal that will make your bench go from 200lbs to 350lbs....NOTHING !!!{Steroids don't work that way}

Eat,eat and eat some more...Don't be scared to lose your abs. Food is fuel and you need as much of it as you can get to gain muscle.

DO NOT USE GEAR, YOU ARE WAY TO YOUNG AND AT YOUR AGE IT IS NOT NEEDED.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

so today i used no3 overload and 4 table spoons of 2222mg amino acids then pre workout im using a 50g 1250 calorie protein shake with another 4 tablespoons of amino acids. that sound ok?

Thats ok but its really better to try to get those cals from food not gainer shakes. Did you check out my diet spreadsheet? I don't know if you can see the attachment or not because you aren't plat.

 

[Big_BK]

You need to forget about all the supplements at the store. They are put in shiny bottles with big guys on the label to get you to buy it. In honesty the only thing that is going to help you is protein powder just to get more protein in your diet. You grow off food, not powders and pills. Do weight loss pills work? No. Diet and exercise works, add in diet pills to that and it speeds it up a LITTLE! How do you think people get fat?!!!! They over eat and DONT workout, if you overeat and DO workout you will get huge. Don't eat and your just wasting your time. If you talk to any pro athlete that is not getting a paycheck from a supplement company and ask them what they take they will probably reply with nothing or protein.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

You need to forget about all the supplements at the store. They are put in shiny bottles with big guys on the label to get you to buy it. In honesty the only thing that is going to help you is protein powder just to get more protein in your diet. You grow off food, not powders and pills. Do weight loss pills work? No. Diet and exercise works, add in diet pills to that and it speeds it up a LITTLE! How do you think people get fat?!!!! They over eat and DONT workout, if you overeat and DO workout you will get huge. Don't eat and your just wasting your time. If you talk to any pro athlete that is not getting a paycheck from a supplement company and ask them what they take they will probably reply with nothing or protein.

Exactly. Don't try to hit that 4500cals with shakes and gainer shit. You need real food. Lots and lots of it.

 

[sacrifice561]

ok and to answer your question no i didnt see the attachment sorry. if you could email it to me thatd be awesome. [email protected] is my email. yea i try to eat mad foods but i go to school so its hard to eat all the time. what small snacks could i bring with me to skool? obviously i cant have a meatball sub from subway while at skool..... i need lots of snacks that are high protein. i know the basics.... chicken tuna peanuts.... but what else shud i be eating

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

ok and to answer your question no i didnt see the attachment sorry. if you could email it to me thatd be awesome. [email protected] is my email. yea i try to eat mad foods but i go to school so its hard to eat all the time. what small snacks could i bring with me to skool? obviously i cant have a meatball sub from subway while at skool..... i need lots of snacks that are high protein. i know the basics.... chicken tuna peanuts.... but what else shud i be eating

I know its hard because you are in high school but you have to eat at least every other class. Eat a big breakfast then you can bring a tuna sandwich to eat second, then a huge lunch at your lunch break, then another sandwich with say roast beef and turkey in it (only high quality meat like boars head that is actually meat), then a huge meal after school, then workout, then huge meal after. That should get your cals in. The huge meals can be whatever you want as long as its healthy and has protein some fats and complex carbs. Also the bread in the sandwiches should always be whole grain. Maybe the other guys can help you with some more specifics. I eat every 2-3 hours a peice of meat, a green veggie like broccoli or green beans, and a medium sized backed potato. Obviously you don't have access to a microwave and the time to do that so you're gonna have to get creative. It really helps to pick everything out and count up the macros and cals to see if you are in the right ballpark.

I'll email you my spreadsheet in a minute.

 

[sacrifice561]

ok and i get out of skool at 320 and go straight to football workouts but from 2:35-3:20 i have weightlifting class so i cud eat then so shud my big beal be4 working out be then? or just right be4 workouts

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I didnt really know what your schedule was like so I was just guessing. Its hard to eat a lot right before you do something physical because you have to let it digest first. You definitely HAVE to eat after your workout class before your practice though. It's going to be hard but you're gonna have to do it. Huge meal after your football training though. Lots of sandwhiches is probably your best bet. Since you are trying to put on size roast beef, turkey, ham are all ok just has to be decent meat like boars head not some crap brand. Also tuna sandwiches. Whole wheat goldfish are a decent snack to get carbs in. Peanuts have a lot of fat and some protein but can help you get cals in. Make sure for dinner you always have a huge piece of meat with a big helping of green veggies and some other kind of carb. I just happen to love baked potatoes. For breakfast a huge bowl of oatmeal mixed with applesauce and cinnamon is great plus some sort of protein which can be eggs or a peice of chicken or whatever.

 

[Big_BK]

Eat a big breakfast around 7:30, eat you next meal 2nd period, then lunch, then another before you get out. Like i said, i've been in your position and it sucks nobody understands why you are doing what your doing and they never will so if they are assholes (like some of my teachers were) then fuck them over through the rules like i did. First talk to your coach and tell him the problem teachers and see if he cant talk to them and sort it out for them to let you eat a snack in class. If that doesnt work go to your doctor or a nutritionist and have them write you a note saying you are an athlete and need to eat every so often. Have your parents call and complain to the school that you need to eat and the teachers wont let you.

There are many ways to get back at the assholes that try to hold you back "legally". I say legally because that is the best word i can think of for what i mean. Arguing with your teacher gets you know where, just bend the rules in your favor so they can't do a thing.

As for foods to bring, good deli meat like boars head which has no fillers, tuna or chicken salad can be put in a tupperware container, nuts, fruit. Bring homemade shakes with 2 scoops protein, peanut butter, mixed fruit, raw oatmeal, egg whites, yogurt. Just fill the blender with all that and blend it up and throw it in some shakers, tons of cals in that mix i use it all the time. Beef jerkey is also good. Sandwhichs, etc. anything portable.

 

[sacrifice561]

what do you mean wen u say shakers? sorry im kinda new to the lingo

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Btw I diffused your bombs as you seem to be on the right track now and understand that diet and training is what you need, not steroids.

 

[sacrifice561]

yeah man i was just so hopped up on getting strong fast but i guess natural is the best way. atleast till i hit like 21-22 n top out my limits

 

[Big_BK]

the plastic things you mix up protein in. you must know what shakers are.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

yeah man i was just so hopped up on getting strong fast but i guess natural is the best way. atleast till i hit like 21-22 n top out my limits

Ya when you get to the point that you have made no progress in the last year even though you've switched up training routines regularly and your diet has been in check, then you can think about AAS. That will probably be even later than 21-22 for you.

 

[jagerbombme]

i didn't read all five pages, just the beginning, umm, dude, if you just started lifting then your gonna waste the juice because progress will be made quickly when your just starting even with a poor diet. but if you concentrate on a good diet with lots of good, clean calories, you'll grow like us older guys who are on steroids. you don't need it, theres already as much test in you as in some of us on a cycle. that's what you young guys don't understand. there's already a shitload in you naturally but only for 5 more years. so utilize it. it'll be muscle you'll NEVER lose, but if you cycle, that's it. by by natural high levels. and you'll have to take shit the rest of your life to look advanced.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

i didn't read all five pages, just the beginning, umm, dude, if you just started lifting then your gonna waste the juice because progress will be made quickly when your just starting even with a poor diet. but if you concentrate on a good diet with lots of good, clean calories, you'll grow like us older guys who are on steroids. you don't need it, theres already as much test in you as in some of us on a cycle. that's what you young guys don't understand. there's already a shitload in you naturally but only for 5 more years. so utilize it. it'll be muscle you'll NEVER lose, but if you cycle, that's it. by by natural high levels. and you'll have to take shit the rest of your life to look advanced.

Thats pretty much what the middle 4 pages was about lol. We're trying to work with him on his diet right now.

 

[centy]

Btw I diffused your bombs as you seem to be on the right track now and understand that diet and training is what you need, not steroids.

Thanks - I was just about to do that.

 

[DaveTSI]

I dont want to sound like an echo but...

EAT
TRAIN
SLEEP

Thats all you need to worry about, dude, you are already on the gas. Your HGH levels and test are through the roof right now, all youll do if you take anything is stunt your growth possibly and screw up your bodies natural hormonal balance, NOT something you want to fuck with at your age.

 

[DaveTSI]

3 hours a day is way to long. ???


Bro, don't worry about how much you bench. I am one of the biggest and most in shape guys at my gym. I don't give a fuck what my bench is. I can do some nice reps at a decent weight.

This is 10 times more healthier and builds strength and muscle.

Don't be the fat assholes that only worry about how much they bench. And, are injured all the time.

WTF is this shitty excuse for a post? Hes a football player not a fuckin pretty boy who likes to check himself out in the mirror while he's pumping his biceps.

"10 times more healthier" lol wtf?? how is doing high reps with light weight "more healthier" than doing lower reps and concentrating on strength

"Don't be the fat assholes that only worry about how much they bench. And, are injured all the time." ummm you are seriously a douche bag, I care about my bench because Im a strength athlete (like he's playing football, not going to the beach) and I have about 8-9% bodyfat. He's worried about getting his strength up because he actually plays a sport where it matters, hes not bodybuilding.

atleast you where right about one thing, 3 hours is way too long

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

atleast you where right about one thing, 3 hours is way too long

In fact I'll bet having the weight lifting class right before his football training is hurting more than it is helping. Maybe if the weight training class was earlier in the day, but right before? Ya 3 hour workouts with no food in between = bad. If you keep that schedule at least fit a meal in between.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Not one person here will give you advice to take steroids at 17 because everyone knows thats a horrible idea.

 

[dabuffguy]

In fact I'll bet having the weight lifting class right before his football training is hurting more than it is helping. Maybe if the weight training class was earlier in the day, but right before? Ya 3 hour workouts with no food in between = bad. If you keep that schedule at least fit a meal in between.

yep, weightlifting and then football practice is overkill on the body. Especially without food.

 

[Mavafanculo]

alot of good advice in this thread - I hope you'll take it to heart. you'll be glad you did.

p.s. I dont recall if it was mentioned, but you still have 3 or 4 years of height to attain, and doing steroids now will prematurely fuse your growth plates. just wait it out bro and take the advice in this thread -

 

[Tatyana]

Have you ever had a puppy and watched him grow into a dog?

Especially if you have a big dog, they are always skinny and lean as puppies and as a 'teen', then all of a sudden they fill out.

You are still in the lean puppy stage. You will fill out more naturally.

Also, steroids to young could stop you from growing in height.

 

[searay]

my son graduated last year. he was about your size and played middle line backer / full back. hed also fill in at o line and d line sometimes when needed. he didnt have the biggest bench on the team but he had one of the best squats and as a junior and senior he had the best deadlift/pwer clean. nobody could push that kid back ever, he was a bull at full back and drove people off the line when he played o line. like these guys have been sayin, bench dont do shit for football. if your squat and deads/pwercleans are up there then your good to go. plus it sounds you have a major big heart which will will take you anywhere. eating is more work than anything your gonna do but it will give you the most results. i used to have my son take a cooler packed with food to school everyday and he would carry it everywhere with him. his nickname was 'cooler'. when he didnt have much time to eat before practice or whatever he always had protein bars and shakes packed. detour bars are the best flavor and are packed with alot of good calories. go to gnc and buy one of each to find out which ones you like the best. porlab has great meal replacement shakes. the cinimin oatmeal was his favorite. they come in a box of 20 packs and have about 400cal with a good split of carbs, fats, and protien. good luck...........

 

[centy]

Some good advice in here. Good luck.

Damn I wish the internets were around when I was 17.

 

[eddymerckx]

Have you ever had a puppy and watched him grow into a dog?

Especially if you have a big dog, they are always skinny and lean as puppies and as a 'teen', then all of a sudden they fill out.

You are still in the lean puppy stage. You will fill out more naturally.

Also, steroids to young could stop you from growing in height.

i guess that would make me the flea bitten old hound on the porch just hoping to steal a glance at the poodle down the street

 

[centy]

If you're lucky, she'll piddle on the tree in ur yard.

 

[Big_BK]

Regarding the training. It depends how many people hes working out with. By yourself you can be in and out within an hour maybe a little longer if your taking big breaks. If i go with a partner which i usually do then were there for about 1.5-2 hrs depending on how much talking we do plus the time it takes to switch between each other on sets. On sunday when i train events with 5-6 people it can take anywhere from 4-6hrs. usually its between 4-5hrs but sometimes we run over.

 

[timtim]

keep jars of natural peanut butter in your locker. have 2 or 3 tablespoons with some whey in between classes. huge breakfast, lunch, and dinner. pre-training i would not eat something heavy. maybe a cup of oats and some whey. make sure you are getting at least 15 grams of efa's a day from fish oil. before bed have 2 whole eggs and 6 whites with a scoop of casein protein. you will grow.

 

[sacrifice561]

yea i train with 3-4 people. so it takes about 3 hours. our routine on upper body day is stretch, do our bench sets, incline. decline, skull crushers and cleans. now keep in mind im training for FOOTBALL not straight weightlifting. what does that regimine look like? need to add anything?

 

[lostlazy]

It's cool. He'll be 18 by the time this thread is done and no more hard feelings. It's to young and we can all agree, but I think a good percentage of us may have tried AAS in high school. Even if we didn't get "on" until later years, we definetly might have danced with it earlier. Alot of great information in this thread though, another reason why this is the best forum on the net, good informative members.

 

[dabuffguy]

yea i train with 3-4 people. so it takes about 3 hours. our routine on upper body day is stretch, do our bench sets, incline. decline, skull crushers and cleans. now keep in mind im training for FOOTBALL not straight weightlifting. what does that regimine look like? need to add anything?

decline is a waste of energy any way you look at it IMO. Just do another set on flat bench and another set on incline and/or 4 sets of dips in place of decline bench.

for shoulders, you could add some latral raises. they don't take much time. do them last. but, for football, it really won't make a big difference. You don't gain a lot of power out of doing them.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

It's cool. He'll be 18 by the time this thread is done and no more hard feelings. It's to young and we can all agree, but I think a good percentage of us may have tried AAS in high school. Even if we didn't get "on" until later years, we definetly might have danced with it earlier. Alot of great information in this thread though, another reason why this is the best forum on the net, good informative members.

Just because some people may have started early (maybe or maybe not a high percentage) is no reason to recommend that someone else do.

 

[cloak33]

3 hours a day is far too long. Here is what is happening to your body during a training session.

Approx 60 minutes into your workout your GH and Test levels begin to peak, however, your cortisol levels are still rising. You should be finishing your workout shortly after this. This is why long workout sessions have no benefit to muscle gain as it forces cortisol levels to extremely high levels at the same time suppressing your anabolic hormone levels. (Cortisol basically eats away at muscle so you want to avoid high levels of it)

After your workout is over GH and Test levels continue to decline rapidly. Cortisol continues to rise even after you stop training. The rise or cortisol and the drop in GH and Test puts your body in a catabolic state in which muscle breakdown is accelerated because your body needs to replenish glycogen stores and repair damage to muscles.

To halt the rise of cortisol and the fall off of GH and Test you need to get protein and simple carbs into your body very quickly. (I basically take a mix of about 50g protein and 50g of dextrose...there are other alternatives, but that works for me)

1 hour after your workout, eat a large meal. This will help put your body back into an anabolic state. About 5 hours after your workout, your Test and GH levels begin to rebound, this means an end to protein breakdown and the beginning of protein synthesis.

On another note, I'd say 5 training days a week is too many. 3 or 4 would be better. Your muscle grow when resting, not when lifting.

 

[digit0x]

you wanna make it over 6 ft? don't use steroids and you will prolly make it to 6'2

 

[jagerbombme]

decline is a waste of energy any way you look at it IMO. Just do another set on flat bench and another set on incline and/or 4 sets of dips in place of decline bench.

for shoulders, you could add some latral raises. they don't take much time. do them last. but, for football, it really won't make a big difference. You don't gain a lot of power out of doing them.

i agree, i concentrate on incline more than anything. flat is just to finish burning out. incline pulls your chest up and gives you beefy look.

also on the higher rep lower rep debate. i've been doing no less than 12 reps on db incline and every few weeks cheking my max on flat bench, it keeps going up up up. so it doesn't take low reps to build strength as long as your working your ass off to get those 12 your still causing hypertrophy. my 1 rep max since starting db presses and keeping reps above 12 has went from 315 to 385 in about 6 weeks.

 

[kidd73]

Hey i am 17 years old and just started lifting weights and i need advice on a steroid that is effective but will not show many side effects. i know 17 is young to start but im going to do steroids so i mite as well get best one for the way i am right now. i need one that wont be too noticable to other people but will increase my strength quickly. i only need to take 1-2 cycles. please let me know what to use and if your going to say dont take it at all please dont even waste your time posting because im going to take one steroid so hopefully u pros will help me out and guide me to the safest, yet most effective way to gain strength. im 5'11 hovering around 190-195 give or take time of day. thanks guys

LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE BROTHER!!!
AT age 17 you can get mad results with proper diet & training. Mad results. AAS, imo, should not be in the equation until you are at least 25-30 years old. You want to go out, buy something you probably aren't sure is real, is an oral because that's where you "kids" start, and screw up your hormone levels for a worthless, weak oral steroid thats going to have little results but major implications. But ofcourse, I'm not trying to talk you out of it (as you say). Go ahead, do what you feel you need to do. But remember, in 5 years, what all these good bros had to say.

 

[Big_BK]

IMO keep the reps between 5-8, throw in some high rep stuff every once and a while to keep it fresh. you are training for size and strength not to look pretty so high reps all the time arent what you should be looking at.

 

[sacrifice561]

ok just to make it clear... i have dismissed the idea of using any steroids im going all natural. i guess basically all i should be doing is eating way way way more. but for football we have a 1000 lb club between bench squat and clean. right now i want to progress closer to that 1000 lbs. so what things could i do besides incline and flat bench to get my bench press up? and shud i be doing deadlifts on the days that i clean?

 

[dabuffguy]

ok just to make it clear... i have dismissed the idea of using any steroids im going all natural. i guess basically all i should be doing is eating way way way more. but for football we have a 1000 lb club between bench squat and clean. right now i want to progress closer to that 1000 lbs. so what things could i do besides incline and flat bench to get my bench press up? and shud i be doing deadlifts on the days that i clean?

dealift when you do your back workouts. combining them with legs will make one exercise, squats, or the other, deadlidts, suffer in weight capacity.