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year 2003 is POLE SHIFT! Prepare for doomsday!

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There is a new planet heading near earth. It wasnt seen before (in the pic) and now it is seen meaning that it is getting closer.

It was first spotted in 1983 and was called Planet X. For certain reasons as soon as it was announced, the government silenced the news. Why? We always theorized that there is a planet behind pluto since pluto exhibited the same patterns as those that led to discovery of previous few planets.

Why was this silenced if it is safe? Obviously this planet has something bad in store for us....

It is big enough to mess up earth gravitation fields and electrical fields. No sattelites, markets plummets.... 50%+ of people die under the ice/geological changes. Starvation and you name it.

See the pic of proof.

http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90446.htm
 
dread_lady said:
call me stupid, but how exactly is that link proof ?


Check two images. One image, the older one has NO planet, other one does. What it means is that the camera was unable to pick out the planet before (since planet was too far away to be seen, and in the other pic it is not too far awat to be seen.)


We are going to face some serious problems.
 
the pictures look completely different to me
i understand what you are saying and your concern, but in those pictures i don't see evidence of that

the "planets" they point out look references in compltetely different areas
 
Crazier said:
Bring it!

And I hear what dreadlady is sayin'...
--

Ancients knew we had 10 planets in our solar system. And we knew it in 1980s until government silenced it. How did those people know it with NO telescopes? You cant see last 3 planets without a very powerful telescope.

http://xfacts.com/x2.htm

Check that link out. Aliens came and told us. Check the old picture drawn by sumerians. It has 3 non human beings. (one is 10 foot tall another one is atleast 12).
 
dread_lady said:
the pictures look completely different to me
i understand what you are saying and your concern, but in those pictures i don't see evidence of that

the "planets" they point out look references in compltetely different areas

I thought so too, but I looked closer. The two pictures are of 2 different sizes and colors, which makes it hard to compare by few first initial glances.
 
Parrottrifle said:
Sorry but I don't find it to be authentic proof by simply looking at the pictures. Where's the hard-core proof such as articles, journals, etc.?

BTW, here is something real to consider about: A huge asteroid might hit Earth in 2880

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/asteroid_deflection_020404.html

I understand what you are saying. Howeever when was the last article about UFO's written by USA government that wasnt standart denial?


Government has a job of keeping people pacified. If they say that "Planet X gonna zoom around in 2003 and destroy most of Earth", guess what? panic will arise!

They choose the safe version.
 
I read the last link. It provides an interesting theory on how asteroid belt is formed by Planet X colliding with Earth. Very interesting....
 
dread_lady said:
there is no "new" object
http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/compare3.htm

it's there in all images

"...that the same object appears on all three images. This object has been in this part of the sky for the entire 46 year period represented by these images. It is not a recent arrival..."

Well that tells nothing!!! Planet X is like a comet, it moves slowly when it is far away from our sun and moves very quick when it is near our sun, just like nay other comet out there.

So it was realtively in the same space for many years, but it is quickly accelerating now! And getting closer, that is why it wasnt seen before without big telescope aid!
 
Parrottrifle said:
I read the last link. It provides an interesting theory on how asteroid belt is formed by Planet X colliding with Earth. Very interesting....

Read some books by Zacharias Sitchin.
 
dread_lady said:
stop comparing this to UFO's
you are seeing proof right here in front of you
http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
the source youy get your informatioin from is not exactly 100% accurate or even close

don't hype yourself up

"safe version"..
if u want to be paranoid about something that isn't happening , cool, but i'm not wasting my time

:bday:

I dont hype myself up, but I see it everywhere!

Look at all the weather changes, dont foold yourself. it is not normal. It is not normal to have a big snowstorn (5 inches of snow) in LATE MAY.

Look at all the tornadoes and volcanoes, they errupt more and more often! That should tell something.
 
dread_lady said:
yes, the pictures are different sizes and colors, but that doesn't mean the 'planet' exists , or doesn't
http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/BestYet.htm

more proof, that you are right in that sense, it is there, but because of the size and color difference, you just can't see it

That site uses pretty complex words to illustrate simple issues, that is a good way to bullshit people. Smart and wise people can illustrate a point that gonna be iunderstood by many, not just few.


That site doesnt say anything that dispels it, see my 46 years responce. Also the planet IS different in those 3 pics meaning that it changed, distance or whatever.
 
dread_lady said:
stop comparing this to UFO's
you are seeing proof right here in front of you
http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
the source youy get your informatioin from is not exactly 100% accurate or even close

don't hype yourself up

"safe version"..
if u want to be paranoid about something that isn't happening , cool, but i'm not wasting my time

:bday:

As long as you belive government agencies you are 180 degrees wrong.

Hey they didnt admit of existence of Area 51, even when there were photos of it circulating around for years from Soviet spy sattelites!!
 
Regardless if this is true or not, no one can do anything about it, so smoke a bowl or two and relax. peace
 
dread_lady said:
stop comparing this to UFO's
you are seeing proof right here in front of you
http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
the source youy get your informatioin from is not exactly 100% accurate or even close

don't hype yourself up

"safe version"..
if u want to be paranoid about something that isn't happening , cool, but i'm not wasting my time

:bday:


Aliens exist and they told us about this planet.

http://xfacts.com/old/madona_compressed.jpg

The above painting is called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino". It was painted in the 15th century by Domenico Ghirlandaio (1449-1494) and hangs as part of the Loeser collection in the Palazzo Vecchio. Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object. Below is a blow up of this section and a man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the object.


http://xfacts.com/old/maryblow_compressed.jpg


check this link that shows really old religeous paintings with cleary a flying saucers on them. Obviously those arent blimps from
loose paint and they strike a similiar, infact EXACT replica of todays UFO's!

Ofcourse inb those days they were "shooting stars" , "clouds", "angels", "demons" etc. Yesterday we called em
demons, today with high technoilogy we call 'em aliens....

Lets shoot some bugs sarge!


http://xfacts.com/old/
 
havoc said:
Regardless if this is true or not, no one can do anything about it, so smoke a bowl or two and relax. peace

I want this planet x gonna cross in 2003 to be false!

I dont want to die and I like my food. Bugs and starvation isnt mine. Plus I am a big fan of lee Priest, seing him without his KFC would break my heart.... :)
 
SSAlexSS said:


Ancients knew we had 10 planets in our solar system. And we knew it in 1980s until government silenced it. How did those people know it with NO telescopes? You cant see last 3 planets without a very powerful telescope.

http://xfacts.com/x2.htm

Check that link out. Aliens came and told us. Check the old picture drawn by sumerians. It has 3 non human beings. (one is 10 foot tall another one is atleast 12).


Getta out of the house and stop watching X-files.

But thanks for the laugh:FRlol:
 
"To date, Sitchin has deciphered more then 2,000 clay cylinders from that ancient land on the Persian Gulf that existed some 6,000 years ago. Some of these fragments, which date to 4,000 B.C., are in museums around the world. One fragment in particular, presently in Germany, indicates that Earth is the seventh planet, counting in from Pluto. The time frame here is four millennia before modern astronomy confirmed the existence of Pluto as an actual planet in our solar system. So how did an ancient race of people know this fact? Sitchin says it is because these ancient people did not come from Earth, but from Nibiru. Profound family squabbles eventually caused the Nibiruans to abandon planet Earth, leaving human beings to fend for themselves. These early humans would never possess the ability to travel among the stars like their creators, nor would they possess the immortality of their creators"

http://www.mars-earth.com/sitchintext.htm

Okay, I have a question. If we truly came from Planet X, then how can people survive on Planet X? Last time I checked, it travels far away from Sun and Sunlight, of course, is essential to any living thing's survival.
 
Parrottrifle said:
"To date, Sitchin has deciphered more then 2,000 clay cylinders from that ancient land on the Persian Gulf that existed some 6,000 years ago. Some of these fragments, which date to 4,000 B.C., are in museums around the world. One fragment in particular, presently in Germany, indicates that Earth is the seventh planet, counting in from Pluto. The time frame here is four millennia before modern astronomy confirmed the existence of Pluto as an actual planet in our solar system. So how did an ancient race of people know this fact? Sitchin says it is because these ancient people did not come from Earth, but from Nibiru. Profound family squabbles eventually caused the Nibiruans to abandon planet Earth, leaving human beings to fend for themselves. These early humans would never possess the ability to travel among the stars like their creators, nor would they possess the immortality of their creators"

http://www.mars-earth.com/sitchintext.htm

Okay, I have a question. If we truly came from Planet X, then how can people survive on Planet X? Last time I checked, it travels far away from Sun and Sunlight, of course, is essential to any living thing's survival.

How do polar bears survive in -30 or so degrees??

How those aliens might survive on that planet?

I have few hypothesis:

a) The planet is warmed up through lots of active volcanoes. Inside of the earth we have like 1000s of degrees, make many holes here and their and we dont need sun for heating! Ever been to Hot Springs? If you have lots of volcanoes/geysers etc throughout the planet, then you dont need sun!!!


b) It is artifically warmed up. Heating devices.... They can fly from their planet to ours, so I think that it is reasonable to assume they got heating technology.


sunlight isnt a requirement for life. Fish and deep underwater planets live well without it. Worms spend most of their time under ground... who knows.
 
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dread_lady said:
uhhh
those pictures are creepy !

I never gonna view jesus christ in the same light....


jesus Christ rising to heaven in a cloud...... Hmmm..... Pictures of saucers (called clouds) was present at crucifiction.... Hmmm....


Those pictures are true since I have seen them. There are more. If pics of saucers were just a dots in the sky, I would dismiss them as loose paint drop on the painting. But clearly visible spacecraft? Gimme a break....
 
CrimsonKing said:

Yeh!!!!

There was jesus christ the superstar, now have jesus Christ the Vampire slayer, and I guess we need

Star Wars Episode 50 - jesus christ bring a new hope to slaves on planet Sol.
 
CrimsonKing said:

Them the government say that aliens dont exist, we havent seen em, show me the photos, blah blah.


See this
http://www.etcontact.net/images2/picanc08.jpg

In Jabbaren, in the Tassili mountains, Algeria, south of the Hoggar. A 6m high character with a large round decorated head. The massive body, the strange dressing, the folds around the neck and on the chest suggest some ancient time astronaut. A similar character is painted at Sfar in the Tassili, in the Cabro caves in France and in several other places. Some of them are much smaller and raise their hands towards a giant being, of non human appearance, sometimes these "round heads" being seem to hover in the air. From 6000 B.C.



6000 BC! Alien of 18 feet tall was seen in his spacesuit! I dont think that Aliens got bored, we merely renamed them and government denied 'em.
 
CrimsonKing said:


Humans are a product of ALIEN engineering, there is no other explanation.

It was here, in tracing the vertical evolutionary record contained in the human and the other analyzed genomes, that the scientists ran into an enigma. The “head-scratching discovery by the public consortium,” as Science termed it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.

How did Man acquire such a bunch of enigmatic genes?

In the evolutionary progression from bacteria to invertebrates (such as the lineages of yeast, worms, flies or mustard weed – which have been deciphered) to vertebrates (mice, chimpanzees) and finally modern humans, these 223 genes are completely missing in the invertebrate phase. Therefore, the scientists can explain their presence in the human genome by a “rather recent” (in evolutionary time scales) “probable horizontal transfer from bacteria.”

In other words: At a relatively recent time as Evolution goes, modern humans acquired an extra 223 genes not through gradual evolution, not vertically on the Tree of Life, but horizontally, as a sideways insertion of genetic material from bacteria…

Now, at first glance it would seem that 223 genes is no big deal. In fact, while every single gene makes a great difference to every individual, 223 genes make an immense difference to a species such as ours.

The human genome is made up of about three billion neucleotides (the “letters” A-C-G-T which stand for the initials of the four nucleic acids that spell out all life on Earth); of them, just a little more than one percent are grouped into functioning genes (each gene consists of thousands of "letters"). The difference between one individual person and another amounts to about one “letter” in a thousand in the DNA “alphabet.” The difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent as genes go; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300.

So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimpanzee!
 
//Ok I can tackle your points I think.....

How do polar bears survive in -30 or so degrees??

//Insulation, thick fur, food rich in fat (incidentally the food fed on fish, which perhaps fed on smaller fish etc.....and at the beginning of the food chain you have uuuuuhhhh sunlight).....and your point is???

How those aliens might survive on that planet?

I have few hypothesis:

a) The planet is warmed up through lots of active volcanoes. Inside of the earth we have like 1000s of degrees, make many holes here and their and we dont need sun for heating! Ever been to Hot Springs? If you have lots of volcanoes/geysers etc throughout the planet, then you dont need sun!!!

//In this scenario you would have many localised points of energy. I'm wondering how sufficient diversity and competition could be created in such a small population in order to allow organisms develop the necessarily bodyparts etc to move between energy sources. That would surely be necessary if life is to develop to the level you mention. Also, how did the technology developin order to make the holes that you refer to??


b) It is artifically warmed up. Heating devices.... They can fly from their planet to ours, so I think that it is reasonable to assume they got heating technology.

//Ok and prior to the heating devices being made how did organisms survive. Somebody had to build em!! How did these organisms support themselves prior to their great invention??

sunlight isnt a requirement for life. Fish and deep underwater planets live well without it. Worms spend most of their time under ground... who knows.

//Now this is one you are definitely wrong on. Ecosystems in the deep oceans rely on detritus falling from the surface for food. The organisms on the surface are ultimately reliant on sunlight for energy. Underwater plants require light!! They still do photosynthesis!! Worms also ultimately rely on sunlight at the base of their food web.
 
dread_lady said:
stop comparing this to UFO's
you are seeing proof right here in front of you
http://users.telerama.com/~rev/planetx/gif.htm
the source youy get your informatioin from is not exactly 100% accurate or even close

don't hype yourself up

"safe version"..
if u want to be paranoid about something that isn't happening , cool, but i'm not wasting my time

:bday:

This is a more credible article written bu an expert, not some quarter an hour 20 year old astronomer .

THE CASE OF THE LURKING PLANET

"Far beyond the solar system's nine known planets, a body as massive as Mars may once have been part of our planetary system -- and it might still be there;”

The lead paragraph in a science-fiction script?
The lead paragraph from an article by Zecharia Sitchin about Nibiru?

No. It is the lead paragraph in a report in Science News of April 7, 2001 headlined "A Comet’s Odd Orbit Hints At Hidden Planet.”

The article reports the conclusions of an international team of astronomers who have studied an unusual comet discovered last year, designated 2000 CR/105. It follows a vast elliptical orbit around our Sun – an orbit that takes it way out to some 4.5 billion kilometers from the Sun, and brings it back at its closest to the Sun to the vicinity of Neptune; it is an orbit whose period “takes roughly 3,300 years” (according to Sky&Telescope News of April 5, 2001).

“Such an oblong orbit is usually a sign that an object has come under the gravitational influence of a massive body," wrote R. Cowen in Science News. Was this the gravitational pull of Neptune? In a study to be published in the Journal Icarus, the team of astronomers (led by Brett Gladman of the Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur in Nice, France), after analyzing all the possibilities, does not think so. An alternative solution, they say, is that “the comet's orbit could be the handiwork of an as-yet unseen planet” -- as massive as Mars -- "that would have to lie some 200 AU from the Sun," in the so-called Kuiper Belt of cometary and other planetary debris. This would also explain "why many members of the Belt have orbits that angle away from the plane in which the nine known planets orbit the Sun."

“Undoubtedly, something massive knocked the hell out of the Belt," Harold F. Levison of the Southwest Research institute in Boulder, Colorado, told the magazine. “The question is whether it is still there now."

“Comet’s Course Hints at Mystery Planet,” was how the journal Science headlined the discovery news in its issue of 6 April 2001. The special report, written by the Dutch astronomer Govert Schilling, summed up the findings in the following lead paragraph:

"A Supercomet following an unexpectedly far-flung path around the sun suggests that an unidentified planet once lurked in the outermost reaches of the solar system, an international team of astronomers reports. What's more, the mysterious object may still be there."



Now, As the Sumerians Said…

Readers of my books may well join me now in saying: So what else is new?

Ever since the publication of my first book (The 12th Planet) in 1976 I have asserted that Sumerian and other ancient Near Eastern texts and depictions showed familiarity with a complete Solar System that included, beside the Sun and the Moon, ten (not nine) planets -- the tenth planet (or twelfth member of the Solar System) having a vast elliptical orbit that lasts 3,600 years. Its Sumerian name was Nibiru.

I have-suggested that Sumerian/Akkadian texts such as Enuma Elish (also called the Babylonian Epic of Creation) were not mythological tales, but records of sophisticated advanced knowledge. Establishment scientists and scholars (see a previous article, The Case of the Misplaced Teapot, as an example) resist such an inevitable conclusion because it requires the acceptance of the ancient claim that Earth had been visited by Extraterrestrials, the ANUNNAKI ("Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came") of Sumerian lore.

According to the ancient texts as interpreted by me, Nibiru was a planet ejected from some other planetary system in outer space that was captured into our Solar System as it passed near Neptune. It became involved in a collision with a pre-existing planet where the debris of the Asteroid Belt are now. As a result of that collision, some 4 billion years ago, the Earth and the Moon came to be where they are now.

And, what do you know? In an article titled Neptune Attacks! In the 7 April 2001 issue of the magazine New Scientist, Ivan Semeniak wrote thus:

“There is new evidence that a sudden barrage of deadly debris crashed against the Earth and the Moon 3.9 billion years ago… What triggered this onslaught? Something in the structure of the Solar System must have changed.”

The “something,” I am more certain than ever, was Nibiru.



May 2001 ZECHARIA SITCHIN


© Z. Sitchin 2001
 
1) The difference between humans and a chimp isn't that great.
2) The discovery of all these extra genes means little other than we don't have the full picture yet. When the genome of every organism has been decoded and understood (at the moment we rely on little more than guesswork to identify many genes) we might be in a position to worry about 'extra' genes. Up until that point, articles such as the one you quote (please give a full reference) are little more than fodder to help in obtaining another grant......this is common practice in the scientific community.

BTW how does this relate to humans being the product of genetic engineering??? Funny how when we don't know the full facts we resort to such outlandish theories.......ever read about all the theories concerning reproduction that came prior to our understanding of DNA??

SSAlexSS said:



Humans are a product of ALIEN engineering, there is no other explanation.

It was here, in tracing the vertical evolutionary record contained in the human and the other analyzed genomes, that the scientists ran into an enigma. The “head-scratching discovery by the public consortium,” as Science termed it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.

How did Man acquire such a bunch of enigmatic genes?

In the evolutionary progression from bacteria to invertebrates (such as the lineages of yeast, worms, flies or mustard weed – which have been deciphered) to vertebrates (mice, chimpanzees) and finally modern humans, these 223 genes are completely missing in the invertebrate phase. Therefore, the scientists can explain their presence in the human genome by a “rather recent” (in evolutionary time scales) “probable horizontal transfer from bacteria.”

In other words: At a relatively recent time as Evolution goes, modern humans acquired an extra 223 genes not through gradual evolution, not vertically on the Tree of Life, but horizontally, as a sideways insertion of genetic material from bacteria…

Now, at first glance it would seem that 223 genes is no big deal. In fact, while every single gene makes a great difference to every individual, 223 genes make an immense difference to a species such as ours.

The human genome is made up of about three billion neucleotides (the “letters” A-C-G-T which stand for the initials of the four nucleic acids that spell out all life on Earth); of them, just a little more than one percent are grouped into functioning genes (each gene consists of thousands of "letters"). The difference between one individual person and another amounts to about one “letter” in a thousand in the DNA “alphabet.” The difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent as genes go; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300.

So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimpanzee!
 
SSAlexSS said:



Humans are a product of ALIEN engineering, there is no other explanation.

It was here, in tracing the vertical evolutionary record contained in the human and the other analyzed genomes, that the scientists ran into an enigma. The “head-scratching discovery by the public consortium,” as Science termed it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.

How did Man acquire such a bunch of enigmatic genes?

In the evolutionary progression from bacteria to invertebrates (such as the lineages of yeast, worms, flies or mustard weed – which have been deciphered) to vertebrates (mice, chimpanzees) and finally modern humans, these 223 genes are completely missing in the invertebrate phase. Therefore, the scientists can explain their presence in the human genome by a “rather recent” (in evolutionary time scales) “probable horizontal transfer from bacteria.”

In other words: At a relatively recent time as Evolution goes, modern humans acquired an extra 223 genes not through gradual evolution, not vertically on the Tree of Life, but horizontally, as a sideways insertion of genetic material from bacteria…

Now, at first glance it would seem that 223 genes is no big deal. In fact, while every single gene makes a great difference to every individual, 223 genes make an immense difference to a species such as ours.

The human genome is made up of about three billion neucleotides (the “letters” A-C-G-T which stand for the initials of the four nucleic acids that spell out all life on Earth); of them, just a little more than one percent are grouped into functioning genes (each gene consists of thousands of "letters"). The difference between one individual person and another amounts to about one “letter” in a thousand in the DNA “alphabet.” The difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent as genes go; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300.

So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimpanzee!

Youre an idiot! nuff said
 
Imnotdutch said:
//Ok I can tackle your points I think.....

How do polar bears survive in -30 or so degrees??

//Insulation, thick fur, food rich in fat (incidentally the food fed on fish, which perhaps fed on smaller fish etc.....and at the beginning of the food chain you have uuuuuhhhh sunlight).....and your point is???

How those aliens might survive on that planet?

I have few hypothesis:

a) The planet is warmed up through lots of active volcanoes. Inside of the earth we have like 1000s of degrees, make many holes here and their and we dont need sun for heating! Ever been to Hot Springs? If you have lots of volcanoes/geysers etc throughout the planet, then you dont need sun!!!

//In this scenario you would have many localised points of energy. I'm wondering how sufficient diversity and competition could be created in such a small population in order to allow organisms develop the necessarily bodyparts etc to move between energy sources. That would surely be necessary if life is to develop to the level you mention. Also, how did the technology developin order to make the holes that you refer to??


b) It is artifically warmed up. Heating devices.... They can fly from their planet to ours, so I think that it is reasonable to assume they got heating technology.

//Ok and prior to the heating devices being made how did organisms survive. Somebody had to build em!! How did these organisms support themselves prior to their great invention??

sunlight isnt a requirement for life. Fish and deep underwater planets live well without it. Worms spend most of their time under ground... who knows.

//Now this is one you are definitely wrong on. Ecosystems in the deep oceans rely on detritus falling from the surface for food. The organisms on the surface are ultimately reliant on sunlight for energy. Underwater plants require light!! They still do photosynthesis!! Worms also ultimately rely on sunlight at the base of their food web.

Well, the planet MIGHT have been part of other solar system and so the life originated then, and after something happened to it... Annunaki were sufficiently advanced to help themselves.

Life can survive in most brutal conditions possible! Freezing temp? No problem! Brutal heat? No problemo!!!


There is also a theory that they arent even the original aliens there. There is a theory that they were put there by other "masters" and given all the technology nessesary to survive. This would explain how they survived, and explain why they havent advanced so far ahead of us that we would have seen their fleet of star destroyers.... Their planet mnight have been seeded just like ours!

Infact earth isnt 100% life friendly either! Scientists think (correctly) that life originated somewhere and was brought to earth since conditions on our planet werent perfect. Such could have happened to their planet!
 
SSAlexSS said:


Hey they didnt admit of existence of Area 51, even when there were photos of it circulating around for years from Soviet spy sattelites!!

A valid point you have there.
 
Imnotdutch said:
1) The difference between humans and a chimp isn't that great.
2) The discovery of all these extra genes means little other than we don't have the full picture yet. When the genome of every organism has been decoded and understood (at the moment we rely on little more than guesswork to identify many genes) we might be in a position to worry about 'extra' genes. Up until that point, articles such as the one you quote (please give a full reference) are little more than fodder to help in obtaining another grant......this is common practice in the scientific community.

BTW how does this relate to humans being the product of genetic engineering??? Funny how when we don't know the full facts we resort to such outlandish theories.......ever read about all the theories concerning reproduction that came prior to our understanding of DNA??


I am sorry youi didnt understand.


We got 300 genes that didnt appear like others through countless years of evolution, but suddenly was inserted in our genome, aka genetic engineering.


When you see such a crucial, world changing event you have to question and out pieces together!!!!

The difference between a chimp and human is very visible.
Extra hair, different face, different body, longer arms shorter legs...

Look the change is like night and day. Few genes make 6 billion different looking people. There is a big difference between humans of all races,sizes, etc.... Only few genes is the difference!
Like 5-10 or even less. Now imagine a difference between 223 genes!
 
paradox said:
SSAlexSS said:


Hey they didnt admit of existence of Area 51, even when there were photos of it circulating around for years from Soviet spy sattelites!!

A valid point you have there.

Exactly! There are 1000s more but you get the idea.
Dont trust government! They will make white be black and make you beleive it!

Have an open mind!!!
 
Let me pick up on a minor point here. To quote you-

"Scientists think (correctly) that life originated somewhere and was brought to earth since conditions on our planet werent perfect. "

The number of scientists that thinks that is small and this is far from proven. These people are in the minority......so saying scientists believe this is in fact misleading. Also, Iassume you inserted the word 'correctly'......how do you know they are correct?? This is a hypothesis!!!!

I like your theory about these alien type things having other masters......and presumably the masters had other masters.....etc etc??? Sounds like a bullshit excuse for abullshit theory to me. No offence meant!!

Finally, 'freezing' conditions on earth isn't actually that cold. 'Brutal' heat on Earth isn't actually that hot either.



SSAlexSS said:


Well, the planet MIGHT have been part of other solar system and so the life originated then, and after something happened to it... Annunaki were sufficiently advanced to help themselves.

Life can survive in most brutal conditions possible! Freezing temp? No problem! Brutal heat? No problemo!!!


There is also a theory that they arent even the original aliens there. There is a theory that they were put there by other "masters" and given all the technology nessesary to survive. This would explain how they survived, and explain why they havent advanced so far ahead of us that we would have seen their fleet of star destroyers.... Their planet mnight have been seeded just like ours!

Infact earth isnt 100% life friendly either! Scientists think (correctly) that life originated somewhere and was brought to earth since conditions on our planet werent perfect. Such could have happened to their planet!
 
Oh I understand ok.
What you don't understand is that scientists tend to sensationalise their work in order to get funding. The result is that they will tell you anything.

Fact is this: our methods for identifying 'genes' aren't perfect......far from it. So they may not be 223 genes. Even if they were perfect, we could not say that these genes do not exist in other organisms because we have not sequenced many organsisms genomes. WE DONOT KNOW WHAT GENES MANY ORGANISMS HAVE!!!


SSAlexSS said:


I am sorry youi didnt understand.


We got 300 genes that didnt appear like others through countless years of evolution, but suddenly was inserted in our genome, aka genetic engineering.


When you see such a crucial, world changing event you have to question and out pieces together!!!!

The difference between a chimp and human is very visible.
Extra hair, different face, different body, longer arms shorter legs...

Look the change is like night and day. Few genes make 6 billion different looking people. There is a big difference between humans of all races,sizes, etc.... Only few genes is the difference!
Like 5-10 or even less. Now imagine a difference between 223 genes!
 
Calm down people, if that planet is heading for us Superman will save us, he has been saving our ass from every doomsday ever since the 50's. He wil just punch it.
 
The_Mexican said:


Youre an idiot! nuff said

So far, I'm leaning toward Pole Shift theory but I'm not 100% set on it. Here are following links from reptuable sources

http://www.msnbc.com/news/320182.asp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_467000/467572.stm

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010830.html

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010702/kuiper.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/03/20/north.pole/index.html

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/science/dailynews/planet991007.html

Before you dinimish it away as a hoax, make sure you do your damn research first!

It does bear some merits.
 
Parrottrifle said:

I can add to this...

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/05/24/beyond.pluto/index.html

there is something out there but i think this whole 2003 stuff is bs.
 
Imnotdutch said:
Oh I understand ok.
What you don't understand is that scientists tend to sensationalise their work in order to get funding. The result is that they will tell you anything.

Fact is this: our methods for identifying 'genes' aren't perfect......far from it. So they may not be 223 genes. Even if they were perfect, we could not say that these genes do not exist in other organisms because we have not sequenced many organsisms genomes. WE DONOT KNOW WHAT GENES MANY ORGANISMS HAVE!!!




This article is by Zacharia Sitchin, and he is too old to-do these kinds of things.


The human genome contains not the anticipated 100,000 - 140,000 genes (the stretches of DNA that direct the production of amino-acids and proteins) but only some 30,000+ -- little more than double the 13,601 genes of a fruit fly and barely fifty percent more than the roundworm’s 19,098.


We know genes of fruit flies, we know genes of roundworm, mouse, ape and humans.
 
Imnotdutch said:
Oh I understand ok.
What you don't understand is that scientists tend to sensationalise their work in order to get funding. The result is that they will tell you anything.

Fact is this: our methods for identifying 'genes' aren't perfect......far from it. So they may not be 223 genes. Even if they were perfect, we could not say that these genes do not exist in other organisms because we have not sequenced many organsisms genomes. WE DONOT KNOW WHAT GENES MANY ORGANISMS HAVE!!!




This article is by Zacharia Sitchin, and he is too old to-do these kinds of things.


The human genome contains not the anticipated 100,000 - 140,000 genes (the stretches of DNA that direct the production of amino-acids and proteins) but only some 30,000+ -- little more than double the 13,601 genes of a fruit fly and barely fifty percent more than the roundworm’s 19,098.


We know genes of fruit flies, we know genes of roundworm, mouse, ape and humans.


Humans are not complex! We regularly do genetic experiments on mouse which are 70% of human DNA.

Moreover, there was hardly any uniqueness to the human genes. They are comparative to not the presumed 95 percent but to almost 99 percent of the chimpanzees, and 70 percent of the mouse. Human genes, with the same functions, were found to be identical to genes of other vertebrates, as well as invertebrates, plants, fungi, even yeast. The findings not only confirmed that there was one source of DNA for all life on Earth, but also enabled the scientists to trace the evolutionary process – how more complex organisms evolved, genetically, from simpler ones, adopting at each stage the genes of a lower life form to create a more complex higher life form – culminating with Homo sapiens.
 
epimetheus said:
Except planet X is pluto.

sort of...

http://www.christinelavin.com/planetx.html
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_196.html


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire//9thplant.htm

More like they discovered pluto in the place they thought planet X should be, ergo planet X is pluto.

Amazing what research can get you no? Instead of believing some crackpot theory.


Pluto is NOT planetx. The gravitational forces of pluto are too small!!! Scientists figured this out long ago. Only guys who completely dont understand astronomy can say "oh pluto does that".


Pluto is too small to be able to change the trajectory of planets bigger than earth and yet be similiar to moon in size! There has to be another large body out there!

Crackpot is beleiveing that Neptune/Uran orbit isnt because of something out there, and since the effect is known to us we can judge it by poast expereinces for it to be a planet.


And if the article starts out with
"Um, 2972? You are ahead of your time. I'll assume it's a typo, although with AOL users one never knows. "

You dont have to read what they say below.
On more serious note



"Not surprisingly, within a year other scientists had determined no such planet could exist."
Sounds more like being silenced.

Interestingly though in 1980s it resurfaced and it resurfaced now too, execpt you got photos and sightings!
 
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Sitchin is too old to do these kinds of things???!!! How naive is that lol.

You know repeatedly posting the same text proves nothing other than you can't come up with an opinion of your own......which isprob why you would believe this garbage in the first place.

Nobody said humans are complex......as for 'regularly' doexperiments in mice. It is hardly regular. I know one lady who has spent 4 years trying to make a particular mutation in a mouse.

Lastly, you seem to be confusing what could happen and what did happen. You think the two are the same by the looks of it. But there are many many things that COULD happen...

SSAlexSS said:



This article is by Zacharia Sitchin, and he is too old to-do these kinds of things.


The human genome contains not the anticipated 100,000 - 140,000 genes (the stretches of DNA that direct the production of amino-acids and proteins) but only some 30,000+ -- little more than double the 13,601 genes of a fruit fly and barely fifty percent more than the roundworm’s 19,098.


We know genes of fruit flies, we know genes of roundworm, mouse, ape and humans.


Humans are not complex! We regularly do genetic experiments on mouse which are 70% of human DNA.

Moreover, there was hardly any uniqueness to the human genes. They are comparative to not the presumed 95 percent but to almost 99 percent of the chimpanzees, and 70 percent of the mouse. Human genes, with the same functions, were found to be identical to genes of other vertebrates, as well as invertebrates, plants, fungi, even yeast. The findings not only confirmed that there was one source of DNA for all life on Earth, but also enabled the scientists to trace the evolutionary process – how more complex organisms evolved, genetically, from simpler ones, adopting at each stage the genes of a lower life form to create a more complex higher life form – culminating with Homo sapiens.
 
epimetheus said:
O mighty SSAlex, I am humbled before your vast astronomical knowledge. My meger research and backing by REAL Astronomers with PhD's is nothing compared to your psuedo-scientific bullshit.

I am humbled in your vast intelligence.

*snort*

http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question4.html

I may not bench 500 pounds, but in this area I know alot.

How are you doing buddy?


Real Astronomers are bull. They teach old obsolete dogma.

Look at Hubble telescope. They talk about how great it is and all. yet we are yet to see just 0.1% of images it has made.

makes you wonder.... We receive images like what, each christmas? What is so scary about realesing them all.... Unless... there is something there.


Pseudo scientific I am not. I just dont beleive in the spaghetti we are all being fed by the government. If they dont admit to the existence of Area 51 even with tones of photoes, they definately dont agree about aliens. EVEN IF THE ALIENS PROBE THEM!
heheh
 
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Yeah, and crackpot theorists, most of which work at mcdonalds and have personal websites with the latest garbage about how the pyramids are built by aliens are correct.

Astronomy is a field of science, and like all fields of science grows and changes as new evidence is presented. But it takes evidence, not some crackpots website.

All the Hubble images are released. There you are wrong. You just have to know where to find them. You do know that as an astronomer you have to wait in line, in a sense, to get to use the Hubble telescope, and you have to have a damn good reason to be considered.

Really SSAlex, I can tell you are not a very intelligent person by your posts. Your grammar is terrible, your Ideas are absurd, and you reject REAL astronomers? LOL

Oh, Area 51? you believe in that crap eh? and you don't believe in the old spegetti that is fed by..who? the goverment? I thought we were talking about science here?

This argument will no doubt end up like our last psuedo-debate. with you ignoring me, and then claiming you win, and then logging on your Moderator alias and locking the thread. So, believe what you want, I will just let the morons who agree with you do so, and let those with a few brain cells left realize that you are a moron.
 
I could be wrong here but:

Aren't the projects performed on the Hubble telescope done by many many people in different organisations worldwide?? The pictures that are collected are therefore the property of the individuals involved in a particular project (or at least the organisation). So asking for them all to be released is a bit unrealistic. Besides that, I suspect that many pictures are taken that would not be spectacular enough for the general public.....so you get a yearly update. If you are that interested, do a search into Hubble projects and contact project leaders.

The comment about obsolete dogma is fine if you canback it up.......can you?? I haven't seen you do that so far.

All power to you for not believing everything that you are told though.

SSAlexSS said:


I may not bench 500 pounds, but in this area I know alot.

How are you doing buddy?


Real Astronomers are bull. They teach old obsolete dogma.

Look at Hubble telescope. They talk about how great it is and all. yet we are yet to see just 0.1% of images it has made.

makes you wonder.... We receive images like what, each christmas? What is so scary about realesing them all.... Unless... there is something there.


Pseudo scientific I am not. I just dont beleive in the spaghetti we are all being fed by the government. If they dont admit to the existence of Area 51 even with tones of photoes, they definately dont agree about aliens. EVEN IF THE ALIENS PROBE THEM!
heheh
 
epimetheus said:
Yeah, and crackpot theorists, most of which work at mcdonalds and have personal websites with the latest garbage about how the pyramids are built by aliens are correct.

Astronomy is a field of science, and like all fields of science grows and changes as new evidence is presented. But it takes evidence, not some crackpots website.

.

Ok here we go.

Copernicus, Geordano Bruno, Galileo Gallelei had revolutionary beleifs in astronomy. Noone beleived them, they didnt come from organizations equivalent to NASA yet their theories were right.

Same is here. Even Einstein who pioneered many things in Physics (space related to) didnt work for a major company, he was kinda of a loner person.


Just like some people are today. History keeps repeating itself, dumb never learn to use it and keep loosing.
 
Imnotdutch said:
I could be wrong here but:

Aren't the projects performed on the Hubble telescope done by many many people in different organisations worldwide?? The pictures that are collected are therefore the property of the individuals involved in a particular project (or at least the organisation). So asking for them all to be released is a bit unrealistic. Besides that, I suspect that many pictures are taken that would not be spectacular enough for the general public.....so you get a yearly update. If you are that interested, do a search into Hubble projects and contact project leaders.

The comment about obsolete dogma is fine if you canback it up.......can you?? I haven't seen you do that so far.

All power to you for not believing everything that you are told though.



What different organisations? The only other companies that get the pictures are FBI, CIA, NASA, CIA, FBI you get the idea.

FOr "public" "non secret" pictures you get like 15-20 per year...

See this site
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pictures.html
Hubble Space Telescope Public Pictures .

See how many pics where released , millions are made... yet less then 1% make it through.


Sure some pics might be of low quiality, but why not just make a ste that has them all so curious souls like me could see???


Really I want to know where my tax dollars are going to.
 
Epithemeus seems to know where to get the pics......

Ask him nicely and he might tell you :)

And I still don't see how these lack of pictures prove the existance of aliens.

SSAlexSS said:



What different organisations? The only other companies that get the pictures are FBI, CIA, NASA, CIA, FBI you get the idea.

FOr "public" "non secret" pictures you get like 15-20 per year...

See this site
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pictures.html
Hubble Space Telescope Public Pictures .

See how many pics where released , millions are made... yet less then 1% make it through.


Sure some pics might be of low quiality, but why not just make a ste that has them all so curious souls like me could see???


Really I want to know where my tax dollars are going to.
 
Imnotdutch said:
Epithemeus seems to know where to get the pics......

Ask him nicely and he might tell you :)

And I still don't see how these lack of pictures prove the existance of aliens.


Prove the existence of aliens?


Ok answer this pic. Dont change the subject. If you can answer this 1000s of people will be happy.


http://xfacts.com/old/madona_compressed.jpg
and close up of it
http://xfacts.com/old/maryblow_compressed.jpg


If you can prove it you won.
some more
http://xfacts.com/old/ufoswiss_compressed.jpg

or just see the page
http://xfacts.com/old/

If you can prove that those arent aliens then i wont ever argue with you.
 
Surely the onus is on you to prove that they are aliens......but anyway.....


http://xfacts.com/old/madona_compressed.jpg
and close up of it
http://xfacts.com/old/maryblow_compressed.jpg

//Looks like a split canvas to me!!


http://xfacts.com/old/ufoswiss_compressed.jpg

or just see the page
http://xfacts.com/old/

//The first is meant to represent angels looking down from heaven....hence the halo's. The second is freakin sombrero's!!! Pure decoration. Then we have a comet.....and a more abstract pic of Christ. After that I see a whole bunch of comets which might be expected to be portrayed in paintings because I believe they were associated with important events.

//Point is.....your UFO's are open to interpretation.
 
Imnotdutch said:
Surely the onus is on you to prove that they are aliens......but anyway.....


http://xfacts.com/old/madona_compressed.jpg
and close up of it
http://xfacts.com/old/maryblow_compressed.jpg

//Looks like a split canvas to me!!


http://xfacts.com/old/ufoswiss_compressed.jpg

or just see the page
http://xfacts.com/old/

//The first is meant to represent angels looking down from heaven....hence the halo's. The second is freakin sombrero's!!! Pure decoration. Then we have a comet.....and a more abstract pic of Christ. After that I see a whole bunch of comets which might be expected to be portrayed in paintings because I believe they were associated with important events.

//Point is.....your UFO's are open to interpretation.

I dont know about you but it cant be any clearer!

It is not a star, not a plane, not a comet, and it looks like the same objects that we see today! Look some pics even have doorways out of these machines.


Any guy will say that it is a ufo . Even if the guy is almost blind.

And what are those spacecraft near jesus? They surely dont look like clouds.


Why is the guy in madonna pic looking there> Coz it is not a cloud not a star but an object in the sky!
 
Well shit SSAlexSS.......you've proven it beyond a doubt.

SSAlexSS said:


I dont know about you but it cant be any clearer!

It is not a star, not a plane, not a comet, and it looks like the same objects that we see today! Look some pics even have doorways out of these machines.


Any guy will say that it is a ufo . Even if the guy is almost blind.

And what are those spacecraft near jesus? They surely dont look like clouds.


Why is the guy in madonna pic looking there> Coz it is not a cloud not a star but an object in the sky!
 
If UFOs really did appear back then, why weren't they painted as the main subject of a painting, instead of a random obscure blob in the background.

Oops, wait, I'm sure they were.. but the CIA's black helicopters stormed the museum where they were kept and tossed them into a firepit.

And why is the honus for proving alien existence always on the American government? It's always us with the coverups and the secrecy. If proof of aliens is so prevalent, there must be more examples on this big blue globe of ours. It always seems like people make it out that the US is in charge of a worldwide alien coverup.. when all along the masterminds are the republic of Djibuti.

And polar drifitng is constantly happening.. it affects the 'true' equator, as far as weather goes. Polar reversals are a regular occurance as well.. every 500,000 years or so. It doesn't just happen in one day, it takes thousands of years.. and it also doesn't turn the tropics into an artic climate.. it just reverses the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field. Who knows what will happen when that occurs next.. it could be as minute as it just affecting compasses or as severe as solar winds and other astro-meanies tearing into the Earth's atmosphere.
 
J-DAM said:
If UFOs really did appear back then, why weren't they painted as the main subject of a painting, instead of a random obscure blob in the background.

Oops, wait, I'm sure they were.. but the CIA's black helicopters stormed the museum where they were kept and tossed them into a firepit.

And why is the honus for proving alien existence always on the American government? It's always us with the coverups and the secrecy. If proof of aliens is so prevalent, there must be more examples on this big blue globe of ours. It always seems like people make it out that the US is in charge of a worldwide alien coverup.. when all along the masterminds are the republic of Djibuti.

And polar drifitng is constantly happening.. it affects the 'true' equator, as far as weather goes. Polar reversals are a regular occurance as well.. every 500,000 years or so. It doesn't just happen in one day, it takes thousands of years.. and it also doesn't turn the tropics into an artic climate.. it just reverses the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field. Who knows what will happen when that occurs next.. it could be as minute as it just affecting compasses or as severe as solar winds and other astro-meanies tearing into the Earth's atmosphere.

They were! The religion is belief in aliens as those pics show! Religeon is the main theme in those pictures so the aliens ARE infact the centerpiece.

Besides, the even doesnt have to be drawn in the center of the object to be the main event, and UFOs certainly dont fly between you and some other guy so you could draw it in the center of the painting. You draw what you see, you see a image in the right corner of your drawing, you draw it.
 
First of all, no pole shift is going to happen next year...I heard this B.S. would happen on 5/5/2000 when I think 6 of the nine planets were in alignment on one side of the earth and supposedly their combined gravitational pull would throw the earth off its axis. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
I read J-DAM's last post and as I noted eariler, magnetic shifts of the poles do occur on a regular basis..this has been proven by taking soil samples of various strata on the earth's surface.
Also to ponder, is has been proven that Antarctica was once a tropical region. This can be attributed to either catastrophic events (ie. a pole shift) happening in the past OR the theory now that the entire landmass of the earth was once one large continent and subsequent plate shifting causes it to break and form the present day 7 continents.
I lean toward the theory that catastrophic events HAVE occurred on the Earth many times in the past (meteor strikes, pole shifts, floods, etc.), wiping out most or all living life at that moment in time., but that these events are random and cannot be predicted by science.
 
look at it this way would it benefit the government to tell us any of this? No it would lead to wide spread chaos.
 
SSAlex- It is impossible to prove a negative. The onus of proof is on you.

Give me a break? The old Columbus argument? Our situation is a bit different. For one," Copernicus, Geordano Bruno, Galileo all used the scientific method to a degree. They took an obversation, made a hypothesis and tested it. They did not believe some crackpot websites or a conspiracy show on the Stupid tube. For two, explain, exactly, how a planet that large would go undetected if it passed close enough to earth to change the magnetic poles, if such a thing is what causes the shifts. I would like some solid evidence that the magnetic field of a passing rogue planet (that somehow made it past jupiter) shifts our magnetic pole without throwing us out of orbit. Next your going to go Velikovsky on us.

There is no conspiracy, there is no goverment coverups on scientific observations. Science is a self-correcting, valid form of collecting information, testing such information, and screening out the bogus information. Science is a method, not some board of scientists "deciding" what they will accept.

Your photos don't prove anything, for one, they are paintings. Done by people. Secondly, the human mind searches for patterns, thus creating its own bias.
 
He already explained how it could be undetected, its orbit is like a comit once it gets close enough to the sun its speed greatly accelerates..
 
It would still be detectable, a planet is much larger than a comet. It would cause all kinds of havoc in the Oort cloud, and on the outer planets and their moons. I think they went through this with the Idea of Nemesis.
 
Being blocked? Blocked by what? Do you even understand gravitational forces?

You just keep an eye on that sky and hope, I will be comfortable knowing it is BS now.
 
epimetheus said:
Being blocked? Blocked by what? Do you even understand gravitational forces?

You just keep an eye on that sky and hope, I will be comfortable knowing it is BS now.

It prob has a built in anti-gravity force field.......this was built by aliens that just happen to be the forefathers of an old chimpanzee called Eboo who likes dunking cookies in big cups of tea.

I'm suprised that you hadn't realised this......I saw it on TV once so it must be true.
 
epimetheus said:


http://archive.stsci.edu/hst/getting_started.html

All data from the hubble telescope is retrievable. Not all of it is in handy Jpeg form though. Sometimes it does take up to a year for information to be available to the public, though I doubt this has to do with any conspiracy to hide knowledge from the public.


actually, all the data from the Hubble - even the raw data that hasn't been dealt yet, is public. they are hoping more people will take it and work with it so that they can deal with the large volume (seems to me that would leave it open for tampering - but perhaps they have a way to check it).
well, this was the case a few years ago - haven't bothered looking recently.

you can find a "conspiracy" anywhere you want if you choose to blind yourself to the facts enough
 
SSAlexSS said:


Read some books by Zacharias Sitchin.

I read a lot of his books back in the 80's.
Really interesting. He shows pics of ancient Summerian tablets that show a plausable link that there is a connection between this "planetX" and human evolution, ancient catastrophies, man's relationship to God, the "garden of Eden" and the "Tree of Life".

It's been a long time, but as I remember he talks about a planet in a highly eliptical orbit.
On one swing past the sun it's gravitation pulled apart another planet that existed where the astroid belt is today.
Part of that planet became our moon(which is known to have very different composition than Earth), and part of it crashed into Mars , evaporating all the water and atmosphere on that planet, and part of it crashed into Earth causing mass extention (pre-Dinosaur). Other scientists that don't believe Sitchin have agreed we seem to have regularly spaced "mass-extinction" events that wipe out the prevalent species.
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