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21gun
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click this link to see their comparison on backs'.
http://www.kulturistika.com/picturesweb/porovnani/porovnani9.jpg
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Yates, Coleman, Arnold
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ILOVEMYWIFE
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I'd still say dorian has the best back.
norsemuscle
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Dorian
DieselGunz
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dorain has the thickness for sure, coleman might have more width tho
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i think that is arnold now LOL
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Ilovetolift
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COlemans back looks better, all three have same mass id say.
norsemuscle
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Ilovetolift said:
Get your eyes checked, Ronnie Coleman has the 2nd best back of all time, his conditioning has never been on par with Dorian.
Ronnie has Yates in most other things but I believe Dorian has better Calves, Back, Traps, Glutes. Everything else Ronnie is better.
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chazk
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those are not really the best pics to compare .the one of arnold was taken at the beach where he was just standing over franco spotting him on a bench press no telling what time of year it was could have been 8 months out from the bigO.
dorians yates back in that pic looks the biggest and most conditioned but its not fair becuase that pic or coleman was not taken with in the last 3 years and colman has changed alot.
but for arnies defense i would have to say that arnold for his day had a awsome lower lat insertion and deep fucking crevas in his lower back thats just a bad pic off season of arnold. Arnold also had very nice trap insertion on the back itself that seemed to give the traps a awsome look.
I would like to see arnolds pic from the 1974 O his standing relaxed i bet you guys would do a fucking double take becuae of its beauty .Plus arnold had something that nether yates or coleman has when they were contest ready .arnold had veins running through his mid back like a spider web and in his lats also .
If you look close at that pic of arnold offseason you can see a few off them in the center of the back on arnold when he was contest ready his back was like a fucking road map. maybe not has huge but as conditioned and defined hell yea.You could even see the little rotator cuffs muscle on top of arnolds scapulas(should blades)in perfect detail .
I'm gonna dig and dig and see if i can find the 74 O pics of arnold he was at his prime.I think in 1974 becuase 75 he was a little skinner and weight 225 to 230 while in 74 he was 237.
dorians yates back in that pic looks the biggest and most conditioned but its not fair becuase that pic or coleman was not taken with in the last 3 years and colman has changed alot.
but for arnies defense i would have to say that arnold for his day had a awsome lower lat insertion and deep fucking crevas in his lower back thats just a bad pic off season of arnold. Arnold also had very nice trap insertion on the back itself that seemed to give the traps a awsome look.
I would like to see arnolds pic from the 1974 O his standing relaxed i bet you guys would do a fucking double take becuae of its beauty .Plus arnold had something that nether yates or coleman has when they were contest ready .arnold had veins running through his mid back like a spider web and in his lats also .
If you look close at that pic of arnold offseason you can see a few off them in the center of the back on arnold when he was contest ready his back was like a fucking road map. maybe not has huge but as conditioned and defined hell yea.You could even see the little rotator cuffs muscle on top of arnolds scapulas(should blades)in perfect detail .
I'm gonna dig and dig and see if i can find the 74 O pics of arnold he was at his prime.I think in 1974 becuase 75 he was a little skinner and weight 225 to 230 while in 74 he was 237.
norsemuscle
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chazk said:
Good post and good points. Whenever you take different pictures and combine them the comparison loses merit. I really hope you can find some of these pictures, I would love to see. Arnold has a unique physique that has never been replicated to this day. Guys have gotten bigger but not better in aesthetics. Imagine what arnold could have done today with the knowledge gained over the past 30 years.
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It looks yates is the strongest
1968Charger
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ARNOLD WAS 240 IN 1975 MR O NOT 225 .THAT WAS HIS WEIGHT IN THE 1980 MR. O WATCH PUMPING IRON THEY HAVE THE WEIGHT IN THE MORNING OF THE SHOW WHICH WAS THE 1975 MR. O .chazk said:
norsemuscle
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I want to see the freakiest back pic for all three of these guys then we can talk and compare.
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http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m12.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m13.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar296.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar430.jpg ARNOLD JUST BE4 THE 1975 MR O WEIGHT 240 NOT 225 http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar556.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar163.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar196.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar189.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery11/ar238.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m54.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery3/m566.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery3/ga27.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery4/m254.jpg ARNOLD V.S SERGIO http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery5/m651.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery7/mg178.jpg ARNOLD 1973 ,HIS LAT SPREAD WAS NEVER THAT GOOD http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg34.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg35.jpg ARNOLD IN PUMPING IRON AT 240 IN 1975 http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg98.jpg ARNOLD IN 1980 MR O. AT 220 LBS ,HIS LIGHTEST WEIGHT IN COMP http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg8.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg7.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg14.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/vmg18.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg86.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery8/xmg85.jpg ARNOLD IN THE 1973 MR O. http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar64.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar63.jpg ARNOLD IN THE 1972 MR O.http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar89.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar93.jpg http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery10/ar87.jpg
norsemuscle
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Thanks for the pics. Bodybuilders looked better back in those days. Guys today have too much mass on their frames. I would take arnold physique over Ronnie's and Dorian's anyday, but he can't really even be in the comparisson mass wise.
chazk
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sorry bro but arnold weight was at prejudging the nightbefore at 240 not the day of the show .it has been said by sources that were at the contest in 1975 arnold was only weighing around 230 maybe even as low as 225. arnold was really dyhdrated and every one knows that have competed that you can lose 10lbs from prejuding the night before to the day of the show due to duretics and trying to keep a small tight stomach empty. SO if arnold weight was 240 the night of the o in 1975 i dont buy it he was not as full and big as the year before weighing even less. It was a movie man arnold was setup to win they padded his weight to sound more impressive sorry to break it to ya the annouced what the guys weighed the day before at pre juding weigh in.1968Charger said:
I have only done one small novice show with lasix and herbal green tea to lose the water I lost 7 pounds in one day after the prejuding weigh in And the next morning untill 4 ok I only ate nibbles of food I felt like total shit.
on that note you openly admit arnold weighed 220 in 1980 looks like arnold was ripping down a few days before instead of weighing in at prejudging then doing the diuretics
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they had the weigh in before prejudging not 5 minutes before the show.
sources say when arnold was on stage he was around 225 to 230 in 1975.Im not talking about the prejuding weigh in. I can loose 7 lbs over night with lassix so do most bodybuilders.even if arnold weighed 240 that morning he could have lost 10lbs with eaze becuase that sthe way arnold was he was ether bulky or on directics and ripped before a show no real inbetween
thanks for the slide show it was very nice .
in 1980 they prob just annouced his weight that day
In 1974 he supposed weighed 237 onstage and it showed becuase he looked 15lbs bigger then in 1975 although he was not as ripped as in 1975.
sources say when arnold was on stage he was around 225 to 230 in 1975.Im not talking about the prejuding weigh in. I can loose 7 lbs over night with lassix so do most bodybuilders.even if arnold weighed 240 that morning he could have lost 10lbs with eaze becuase that sthe way arnold was he was ether bulky or on directics and ripped before a show no real inbetween
thanks for the slide show it was very nice .
in 1980 they prob just annouced his weight that day
In 1974 he supposed weighed 237 onstage and it showed becuase he looked 15lbs bigger then in 1975 although he was not as ripped as in 1975.
1968Charger
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show me proofchazk said:
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you need to get your facts right .the lightest he ever was in the 1970's was 235 lbs competion weight ,225 my ass ,every artical i every read and i have read alot all say the same ,he was 240 in 75 and 73, 74 he was 235 and in 1980 he was 220 and he looks it .all you talk about is sources at the 75 mr o ??? "LOL" proof is what you need not talk !!!chazk said:
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norsemuscle
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21gun said:
Arnold also, was missing growing each thigh to the size of his waist, and 1 and 1/2 times his arms, thats sooo symetrical
. Mass has taking precedence over aesthetics to the point where the sport is a joke.
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chazk
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the only proof i need is i have stepped on stage i know what I weigh in at 9am and how much water I loose by 6pm.1968Charger said:
watch puming iron close what time was the weigh in and the actual time of the show.notice arnolds condition at breakfast and the then notice the condition after the diuretics 10+/- hours later big difference
i suppose you think anrold was 6'2? also
arnold has never been 6'2
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-177.html
what people say and what they are is two diff things
I never said arnold didnt weigh around 235-240 in the film puming iron at weigh in .I just said on stage after diuretic use its obvious he lost that last 10lbs of water he was holding the day before hell even that morning arnold looked soft with water untill he managed to pull out the water that day with diuretics. Your time line is way off you dont understand the time the weigh in took place and the time the actual show took place.
i'm not going to argue with you becuase you have no concept of time .
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no you have no proof other than what you think !!!chazk said:
21gun
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The whole point of this thread is to see the changes bodybuilders have gone though over the years. Obviously some shit has changed (i.e. amounts of drugs used). But, also - diet, training programs, etc have also changed. Believe me, those guys back then were not all drug-free either.150shot said:
chazk
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1968Charger said:
1968charger thanks for the private message you sent me confirming what i posted that around was around 225lb in the 75 show and not the over inflated joe weider weight you have read in the books over the years.
you should atleast give me credit and post in the room the weight frank zane replied to you in a email about how much arnold weighed. Was it 225lbs? or not?
Did frank zane give you the "proof" ?
alot of arnold was myth added to build the legend. But no matter what the books say other bodybuilders have confirmed it. One that have stood on stage with him have said arnold was 225lbs in the 75 big o. Even arnold himself said years ago his arms were never over 21 inches not even during conan when he was his biggest and softest.
Hey man no beef or anything I'm just glad zane got back with your emails you sent him and you were honest enough to man up to it and post that frank a reliable source says arnold was 225lbs during the 75 show.
Its to hard to explain the entire story to people about arnold broken leg and the directic use from pre judging to show time the next night.But I'm glad zane set it straight
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all he did was email mail me back with both weights ,his and aronlds thats it "LOL" at least he answerd me 
i was so happy i cant even tell you .i think arnolds best year was 1973 at 235 lbs he was cut and huge .i emailed alot of old pros only zane got back to me.....
i was so happy i cant even tell you .i think arnolds best year was 1973 at 235 lbs he was cut and huge .i emailed alot of old pros only zane got back to me.....
chazk
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so what weight did he email you back for arnold in 1975?1968Charger said:all he did was email mail me back with both weights ,his and aronlds thats it "LOL" at least he answerd me
I'm glad frank emailed you . He often makes visits some of the local gyms here in central florida with his "eat like zane look like zane "seminar The first 30 minutes are free next unless you want to stay then you have to pay.If zane is in tampa soon i'll ask him becuase I am thinking about just paying for the weekend class.
I know how much you love arnold. I love arnold as well.done be ashamed to type the numbers 225lbs in the forum as arnolds weight in 1975 frank zane confirmed it ken whailer even said arnold was 225 just after the show he claimed he saw arnold get on the scale tired ,weak and almost shaking from starvation before he hity his after party to smoke a fat joint and eat cake like a chubby fat kid .
I'm glad we have come to the same conclusion now you see in 1973 arnold was 235lbs in 1974 he was supposed to be 233-237lbs then in in late 74 he fell off a stage while guest posing and broke his leg and didnt train them as he did before so in 1975 its shows and arnold even looks 10lbs lighter in 1975 then he did in 73 and 74. I think arnold was at his peak in 1974 when he posed down and lou came in second.
but back to the question what did frank zane tell you in the email arnold weighed in 1975? forget about the joe weider myths and padded figures put the ego aside arnold himself has even admitted his arms were never over 21 inchs and some of his best lifts were exaggerated as they got told and retold in the books and from others .
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Glad I wasn't the judge.
solidspine
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Even on the Arnold pics, ronnie and dorian are bigger.
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