XX and XY ...

[musclemom]

I agree. But, why should people who choose to have children get more days off and paid the same?

Y'know, well, first up, someone has to reproduce. Second, if everyone stops having kids there won't be anyone around to support the rest of us when we get to be old farts. Finally, as a woman, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. We're bitched out and called lazy if we are stay at home moms. We're disconnected and unavailable if we work and ask someone else to pick up the kid so WTF, literally. In this economy most families can't make it on one average person's salary, you do the best you can. But seriously, your comment ... kids aren't a luxury item, like a boat. I hate to sound cliched but children are the future, of our species, of this planet. Ideally you want intelligent, motivated individuals breeding, as opposed to ignorant, unmotivated trash.

Also, I was surprised about this to...

Female absenteeism is not just about child care
Why women call in sick more than men is a complex workplace issue

I can't really guess what the deal is here, but I will tell you a fact, women, overall, have more chronic health issues than men. I am a medical transcriptionist. My specialty is neurology and neurosurgery. Those are NOT, in any way, gender biased fields (as opposed to say, urology, gynecology, etc.) However, women FAR outnumber men. I'm looking at a patient sheet, there are ten patients on it, 7 are women. That's about the average ratio.

I also do the transcription for a headache management center. The ratios change even more drastically, then. The women outnumber the men at least three to one.

I have my own ideas about this and it's totally off topic, it's got to do with stress and our current society and the endocrine system.

Anyway, the way I look at it, they didn't say how many days we're talking (I'd like to see if we're talking unreasonable numbers). And another thing, is this paid sick time, unpaid sick time, what? Frankly, my husband works for a company that does NOT reimburse unused sick/vacation time at the end of the year, so he makes sure he burns it up. Some companies, however, do $$$ reimburse you for paid leave. Some companies don't pay for time off at all. That could impact people's decisions whether to take a few extra mental health days or not.

 

[PICK3]

I have a rant... Oh who me? Not Frisky!!!

When will XX be treated as fairly as XY? More experience, more productivity, yet less pay and severly less respect. My work is on time, and the demand on me is quite a bit more than my male counterparts. I don't think it's fair. I have been in the oil field (male based field) for over 8 years and not a damn thing has change.

I put in more time and more energy than two of the XY's in our office and they still get the upper hand treatment.

I would get more respect as a damn prostitute than a career woman in this field. Maybe its this small hick ass town I live in and the egotistical assholes I have to work with (not all men, but the majority) have no respect for women taking 'their' jobs.

My Sr. Estimator set me up for failure on the first day I started... why? Hell I dunno, never meet the man before. I didn't fail, and that irritated him even more... why? Because I didn't need him! I didn't beg for his help, cry because I just didn't understand like he expected me to do... He doesn't like me much, and really didn't like having to come to me to ask question on how to do something reguarding a class we took... oh that killed him.

Ok, I've had my rant!

No reply's necessary, but it was so much better to type it here rather than go postal up in this place.

And I didn't even scratch the surface of the difference of treatment given amongst male/female in my field. Oh and I am the first woman in company's history here to hold this positon. Guess its scary for them, wouldn't want a woman to be a bit better than you would you?

 

[Frisky]

Nice

 

[all the whey]

Y'know, well, first up, someone has to reproduce. Second, if everyone stops having kids there won't be anyone around to support the rest of us when we get to be old farts. Finally, as a woman, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. We're bitched out and called lazy if we are stay at home moms. We're disconnected and unavailable if we work and ask someone else to pick up the kid so WTF, literally. In this economy most families can't make it on one average person's salary, you do the best you can. But seriously, your comment ... kids aren't a luxury item, like a boat. I hate to sound cliched but children are the future, of our species, of this planet. Ideally you want intelligent, motivated individuals breeding, as opposed to ignorant, unmotivated trash.

I can't really guess what the deal is here, but I will tell you a fact, women, overall, have more chronic health issues than men. I am a medical transcriptionist. My specialty is neurology and neurosurgery. Those are NOT, in any way, gender biased fields (as opposed to say, urology, gynecology, etc.) However, women FAR outnumber men. I'm looking at a patient sheet, there are ten patients on it, 7 are women. That's about the average ratio.

I also do the transcription for a headache management center. The ratios change even more drastically, then. The women outnumber the men at least three to one.

I have my own ideas about this and it's totally off topic, it's got to do with stress and our current society and the endocrine system.

Anyway, the way I look at it, they didn't say how many days we're talking (I'd like to see if we're talking unreasonable numbers). And another thing, is this paid sick time, unpaid sick time, what? Frankly, my husband works for a company that does NOT reimburse unused sick/vacation time at the end of the year, so he makes sure he burns it up. Some companies, however, do $$$ reimburse you for paid leave. Some companies don't pay for time off at all. That could impact people's decisions whether to take a few extra mental health days or not.

I never said having kids was bad. I love kids.

The only problem I have is when people are selfish and have them too young, or with some loser. Then, the kids suffers.

The main point of the Article, the NOW, etc is... If you choose to have kids and take more days off or choose a "flexible" job...Then, don't bitch about it.

Yes, women may have more health problems. That may be one of the reasons women may miss more days of work not relating to children.

But, these are some of the general reasons they are saying women generally make less money.

Unfortunately, the NOW has no stats on frisky or musclemom.


I don't think anyone should be discriminated against. A woman doing the same job as a man should be paid the same.

Which I why don't think guys should have to pay for dates.

 

[musclemom]

Unfortunately, the NOW has no stats on frisky or musclemom.

I don't think anyone should be discriminated against. A woman doing the same job as a man should be paid the same.

Which I why don't think guys should have to pay for dates.

Well, dating I got married the first time pretty young, so cash flow was a problem for everyone. I've gone on plenty of McDonald's and Putt-Putt dates in my time and done it happily. I've gone dutch in my time, and I've had guys ask me out when I had ZERO income and they were happy to be able to treat me so whatever. It's different when you're talking 17/18 year olds versus the 30+ age group.

As for equal pay for equal work, you'd think that would be a given but it ain't.

My personal work ethic ... well, there's a reason I'm happier now, self employed, even though I'm currently making chump change, i.e., my stress levels have dropped about 200% since I had to stop working with nitwits.

 

[Wulfgar]

I prefer XXX