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I am a Xenadrine user and think that the product is wonderful. However, if I have not been drinking enough water or if my body is in ketosis I cannot take the reccommended 2 tablet dosage. I think that when taking all products you have to consider your size and tolerance as compared to the average person.
 
"I support the idea that EC diet pills can enhance weight loss but I have some proofs that it doesn't worth taking the risk.. eventhough I had used this product quite a few times in the past."

So you are essentially saying "Do as I say, not as I do".

"It is easy to lose weight, but keeping it off is the challenge. How can ephedra and caffeine be a solution for weight loss?
A person’s body gets use to the substances ingested each day, especially something addicting like ehperda and caffeine,so discontinuing the use of the pills could also leave the person feeling weak,tired and fatigued easily."

Medications for weight loss are not the solution, but key factors in the battle. They are simply aids.

"If a person uses ehpedra and caffeine as a temporary appetite suppressor, the lost weight would be easy to gain back."

This is true of all medications, diets or routines. But appetite control is a major advantage for any diet.

"Larger doses of ephedrine and caffeine or other stimulants may have slightly enhance weight loss in individuals that exercise and maintain a low fat diet but the adverse effects are far greater than the small enhancement of weight loss."

They can cause major compositional changes compared to normal dieting:

Astrup A, Buemann B, Christensen NJ, Toubro S, Thorbek G, Victor OJ, Quaade F.

"The effect of ephedrine/caffeine mixture on energy expenditure and body composition in obese women."
Metabolism. 1992 Jul;41(7):686-8.

The above study was one of the first showing a significant effect on body COMPOSITION, not mere weight loss. Later studies have shown improvement in blood lipid levels and very few adverse reactions, in fact a recent study has shown that the EC combination is safe for adolescents, under medical supervision.

"Caffeine does stimulate the nervous system,which then increases heart rate but it does not increase metabolic rate or the ability for the body to burn more calories than usual.
The dosage in the EC pills is said to be equal to 6 cups of coffee a day.This high level of caffeine will cause “jitters,irritability, insomnia and elevated blood pressure."

Incorrect, study after study shows that caffeine alone increases metabolic rate and lipid oxidation.

Bracco D, Ferrarra JM, Arnaud MJ, Jequier E, Schutz Y.

"Effects of caffeine on energy metabolism, heart rate, and methylxanthine metabolism in lean and obese women."
Am J Physiol. 1995 Oct;269(4 Pt 1):E671-8.

Koot P, Deurenberg P.

"Comparison of changes in energy expenditure and body temperatures after caffeine consumption."
Ann Nutr Metab. 1995;39(3):135-42.

"Caffeine is also a diuretic, which seems good because excess water would leave the body via urine,but the problem is that even though the body weight is decreasing, the body fat is not.
Also,there are not any studies that show a significant and permanent weight loss from caffeine."

True, this is the reason for the conbination, which is the only combination to show a true synergistic response.

"As for ehpedra,FDA advises a person not to consume more than 24 mg a day or more than 8 mg at one time.You can tell me that FDA's principles are garbage but many different side affects can occur from taking these pills:nervousness, headache, insomnia, heart palpitations, and dizziness.Ephedrine and caffeine could also have an effect on blood pressure and blood sugar.People with high blood pressure, a history of cardiovascular or thyroid disease,diabetes,prostate problems or are taking prescription medicine are advised not to take these products."

The FDA's advise is not based on science, so I must state that it is garbage. Like all drugs, ephedrine/caffeine can have side effects, and must be used cautiously, but I don't see the FDA attacking the makers of acetaminophen products, which destroys livers by the hundreds every year.

"So,it's up to yourself to consider whether you want to use such a supplement or not."

We agree, and now that I have corrected some of your errors, I believe that people can make a more educated decision.
 
Cockdezl...

You're the fucking man bro, thanks for putting some sanity and science back into this thread!
 
I agree that Cockdez is "da man" and 100% on the ball. However this question will come up again within a few weeks, and no one will remember this thread (except maybe cockdez, frackal and myself). Bookmark this someone, pretty please. Maybe even make it a sticky?
 
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