WTF!? I'm confused big time!

[VictorBR]

I REALLY doubt that HGH will give you gyno , unless you are using ULTRA high doses for ultra long time .

Water retention can occur , also if using high doses .

Anyway , just because of some water retention that doesn't mean that HGH is usless for cutting , personally I think it is the best thing for cutting . It will make you lose fat like almost no other substance .


BTW Carth - Tren with dostinex is not guarantee that you will not get gyno from tren . Dostinex will help counter atack gyno cause by high prolactin levels , but WILL DO nothing to counter atack gyno cause by elevated PROGESTERONE levels , and as far as I know , TREN can give you elevated progesterone levels . Can someone confirm ?

Victor

 

[wellbilt]

i wish i could help ya bro but i cant lol i have not heard of many getting gyno from hgh but i have heard its possible due to elevated igf-1 levels why not lower your dossage aand see what happens also nolva will help lower igf-1 levels.i hope ypu get some answers bro i wish i could of been more helpfull

 

[mrplunkey]

Well, like I said, I just upped my daily dose of GH from 2ius per day to 4ius per day as of 2 weeks ago. And I have got a bit bloated and gyno has started to set in. I was wondering what the hell was going on. I'm only on 500mgs per week of Sust with 50mgs of Proviron per day. This is what I'm always on and I have never gotten gyno from this Sust/Pro stack. But now I'm reading that GH causes gyno and bloat and it makes sense now.

Need, do you remember a while back around August how I complained about getting gyno while on Tren and Dostinex? We thought it was the HCG that I was taking. And you told me to take Adex. I told you that I was taking Adex and you thought it was bunk Adex. I guess it turned out to be the GH that I was taking at the time at 6ius per day. Nolvadex got rid of the gyno. But I did have some trouble shedding water to get that paper thin skin look.

I've read HGH and AAS have synergistic effects. Is it possible that a small increase in HGH and your current cycle are interacting an producing more dramatic changes in hormone level?

And yes, going from 2 IU's/day to 4 IU's/day can definately cause some transient edema in hands and feet. Everything I"ve read tho says the edema passes (mine did).

 

[Smokescreen]

I have been on Sust500 and Proviron 50mgs for quite some time now. And I didn't get any bloat or gyno. But now that I up the dose of my GH from 2ius per day to 4ius per day, I get a little bloated and I get gyno. I did research on the web of the side effects of GH and it does say bloat and gyno.

I went over to another forum and read up on a thread of GH. A bro was saying that his boy ( BB model ) had to go to a photo shoot. That he was pretty lean and ripped as it was. But that 5 weeks prior to the photo shoot, he decided to use GH. And that he got bloated pretty good. But he only did it for 3.5 weeks. But that when he came off the GH...that he was more ripped and cutup than before!

THX....that little gyno problem I had back in the summer was not the Tren. It was the GH. It had to be the GH. It was the only thing that I was using that I then increased the dose. And thats when I got the gyno. And not to mention some nasty carpal tunnel syndrome.

 

[mikey007]

IMO you were already very susceptable to gyno from the long duration on Test and when you upped the Iu's of growth the water retention made the gyno really stand out. Mike

 

[TheRide]

I already saw that before. But his comments are not saying anything at all. Elevated IGF-1 levels. Ok...and???? What about it???

So try Pm'ing him if you want more info...

 

[Jenetic]

I already saw that before. But his comments are not saying anything at all. Elevated IGF-1 levels. Ok...and???? What about it???

Not saying anything at all? Do you need someone to hold your hand?

Look Alice, why don't you give an explanation of the hormonal regulation of breast development? What's wrong? Cat got your tongue or is your daily dosage of machismo from looking at yourself in the mirror too high?

Alright, it's time you realize that you are a fucking ingrate. You have no practical education and/or experience whatsoever, therefore you have absolutely no right to even begin commenting on the ontogeny, physiology and factors that that influence gynecomastia.

The hormones that affect growth and differentiation of breast tissue are estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, GH and IGF-1. It is through their respective receptors where estrogen promotes duct growth the progesterone supports aveolar development. Neither estrogen nor progesterone by themselves can sustain breast development without anterior pituitary hormones, GH and IGF-1. Furthermore, GH may result in an increase of IGF-1 mRNA at the mammary gland which locally promotes tissue growth. Last but not least is prolactin which has a similar relationship like estrogen/progesterone to GH/IGF-1 where it stimulates epithelial cell proliferation and enhances lobulo alveolar differentiation only in the presence of estrogen and progesterone respectively.

I'm sure you are looking for a dictionary by now. Don't panic as I will do my best to summarize my previous paragraph in a less intellectual fashion so that you can better comprehend the key points and apply it in a practical manner.

Therefore, the most common scenarios for the development of gynecomastia in men may be a result of supraphsyiological levels of estrogen/progesterone, physiological levels of estrogen/progesterone in the presence of decreased androgens or physiological levels of estrogen, progesterone and androgens in the presence of elevated GH/IGF-1.

Is that starting to make sense? Perhaps you need an example such as the usage of Nolvadex in the treatment of gynecomastia. Hopefully, by now you can recognize how estrogen and IGF-1 are related in regards to gynecomastia as well as the effects of Nolvadex on estrogen and IGF-1. I think a relatively valid conclusion that Nolvadex inhibits the stimulation of ductal growth from estrogen and concurrently inhibits the role of IGF-1 in stromal/ductal hyperplasia.

In conclusion, all you need in order to diagnose the origin versus playing the guessing game is to have blood work performed. You do have common sense don't you?

Happy Holidays,

Jenetic

 

[adam wj]

pwnage

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Jenetic again.

lol

 

[Jenetic]

pwnage

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Jenetic again.

lol

Childs play

Jenetic

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

On a side note, is massive and prolonged GH use the reason why the bodybuilders nowadays look so blocky, or is it just general hugeness caused from giant amounts of roids?

What's the real point of even using it? How much does it really bring to the table. Bodybuilders back in the day didn't use it and they still got huge and ripped. Just curious.