Wrestlers that bodybuild, but also have to "make weight"...

[Nighthawkk]

My friend is competitive in wrestling and now is trying to desperately lose fat to get into a certain weight class. But he's doing it in a very dangerous manner and starving himself during the day, and also taking ECA. We still lift together but he is erratic with all this stuff...one month he's bulking then the next he barley eats anything all day except for maybe some protein shakes or small meals. Isn't this the totally wrong way to go about it? I don't know what to tell him because I don't wrestle, but you bulk up and then suddenly reduce calories, wont you lose more muscle than fat? I want to help him to not screw up what he worked for by doing something this stupid... Any ideas?

 

[The Terminator]

^ for my boy tapoutm...I could probably answer this but I have been on here WAY too long today...

 

[superbigzane]

nighthawk playa.. tell the guy..

to get on a keto diet,, eat low carb,, 6 meals a day

slap in some ECA with a nice CLEn/T3 STACk if he wants to..

and hit em up with 20mins cardio ed

and if he does juice tell him to run some winny or maybe some tren to prevent catabolism

and boy he'll be lean in no time..

 

[genarr4]

Post on the diet board. You'll get more informed answers there.

... and yes, what your buddy is doing is not the proper way.

 

[ironmaster]

I've trained wrestlers for years. Two of my sons are D1a NCAA all-americans. The first advice I offer is to FORGET cutting weight. Wrestlers who lack self confidence cut weight to wrestle smaller people. This generally backfires, because you lose strength and energy when you diet, and flexibility when you fluid deplete.
The best wrestle in their natural weight class and concentrate on skill and strength.

 

[Nighthawkk]

I've trained wrestlers for years. Two of my sons are D1a NCAA all-americans. The first advice I offer is to FORGET cutting weight. Wrestlers who lack self confidence cut weight to wrestle smaller people. This generally backfires, because you lose strength and energy when you diet, and flexibility when you fluid deplete.
The best wrestle in their natural weight class and concentrate on skill and strength.

Hmm, you make a very good point. I'll have to put him in his place!

 

[genarr4]

I've trained wrestlers for years. Two of my sons are D1a NCAA all-americans. The first advice I offer is to FORGET cutting weight. Wrestlers who lack self confidence cut weight to wrestle smaller people. This generally backfires, because you lose strength and energy when you diet, and flexibility when you fluid deplete.
The best wrestle in their natural weight class and concentrate on skill and strength.

No truer words have ever been spoken. When I competed submission wrestling at first I cut weight all the time to fight the smaller guys. But as I watched what was really going on I realized a less stressed out bigger me was a much better wrestler. Didn't gas, was much stronger, and far more relaxed.

Now I'm not talking about wrestling as a fat ass, just no extreme diets one month before a match.

 

[kiloamp]

It's funny how things in wrestling never change. My father wrestled for West Point in the late 50's and I wrestled from 4th grade into High School in Virginia in the 70's and 80's. It was the same for my father as it was to me ... ' if you are able to make a lower class then you were expected to cut the weight.' It wasn't until I started powerlifting that I realized how much strength I was losing when I bombed out dropping from the 181 to the 165 in three days. Your friend should take Ironmasters advice, it will help him in the long run.

 

[twistedneck]

I also have found that cutting weight or calories to wrestle / grapple smaller guys sucks. I have NO energy for daily workouts on the Ketogenic diet. My f'n sweat smells like ammonia and i tap out from fatigue against any good opponent. My mental agressiveness plummets and I don't recover at all for the next days training.

That doesn't mean you can't diet.. I think Nelson put it right "eat less move more"

Regards, TW.

 

[Vectork39]

i wreslted through high school, college and went to the olympic trials in dallas a few years back, and i can tell you that 99% of the top place winners were "cutting" weight. "cutting" weight can be interpreted in different ways, Kiloamp obviously you are going to lose strength and energy dropping 16 lbs in 3 days, thats just common sense. But if done correctly, you can gain the crucial advantage over your opponent. Theres no point in droppin excessinve amounts of weight quickly, thats the key to losing, but if you eat smart, train like a madman, and put forth 110% you can safely and effectively drop a weight class. The major problem is that people start way too late, this must be done months before your first match. In theory its great if everyone wrestled at their own natural weight, and GENERALLY the cutting weight backfires, but not to those who go on to win. I gotta jet right now but i'll post details when i get back.

 

[variation]

well, I fight.. it's not wresting... It's Hung gar chuan style kung fu, if I don't up my calories I drastically drop fat, and some muscle... a good training session can burn 1000 calories..

so I'd tell him to perhaps go on an anti-catabolic (low water retention steroid) and increase his training which will make him a better fighter.

really go over techniques, and for recovery with minimal fat gain, after a hard training session he could inject 10iu's of slin and consume 12g isolated whey protein per lb of bodyweight.

... the mass lack of calories must really hurt his fighting ability.

 

[variation]

oh ya no carbs till the slin is no longer present in the body and I'd say consume more whey protein every hour or so after injection.. this method ensures you don't get fat. and with intense training prior result should be a loss of fat.

*advice from variation is to be used at your own risk, and should not take the place of the advice of a physicians.

 

[ufc 44]

i just competed in the grapplers quest this weekend in the superheavy division and i didnt have to drop no weight for the morning weigh ins and i felt great,cutting weight is tough no matter what the reason

 

[twistedneck]

Hey UFC 44, what was your lead up nutrition wise, any sups? Did you have good gas? TW

 

[ufc 44]

i carbed up hard friday night cause i didnt have to worry about making weight,i had rice with beans fri night and saturday my stomach was all screwed up from nerves so i had acouple met rx shakes during the day and when i was about an hour away from my division being called i had a carb drink,i also chewed 8 thia d-bol tabs throughout the day to help with my aggression,nothing fancy about it but it seems to be a good system that really keeps my energy and aggression up,i had decent gas cause ive been doing alot of mat work along with my bodybuilding program,no supplements at all just some d-bols and deca peace

 

[twistedneck]

UFC44, sounds like u know what your doing - carbs proein / empty stomach all there. Was your body used to the D-balls or is it something you save for competition days? Did you feel any crazy dball pumps whlie you were going at it?

Thanks, TW.

 

[ufc 44]

i was on 4 d-bol aday for my bodybuilding routine leading up to the tournament so the extra dbol just pushed me into overdrive,i started getting crazy forarm pumps in the middle of my match and if people knew how many grappler guys are on roids they would be shocked as hell,it seemed like every other guy i talked to was on something,deca,d-bol,eq,you name it,i always used to think only us bodybuilders use the juice,man was i wrong

 

[Silent Method]

I've trained wrestlers for years. Two of my sons are D1a NCAA all-americans. The first advice I offer is to FORGET cutting weight. Wrestlers who lack self confidence cut weight to wrestle smaller people. This generally backfires, because you lose strength and energy when you diet, and flexibility when you fluid deplete.
The best wrestle in their natural weight class and concentrate on skill and strength.

Good post. The bottom line is this - if the athlete is in condition and if thier body composition is decent, cutting and attempting to drop a weight class is bullshit.