Wow, this forum is horrible.

[Deleted member 33117]

I have used it twice both at the recommended and doubled dosages with no noticable improvement. Therefore, in my opinion, it sucks.

All the studies in its effectiveness in humans that I have seen are inconclusive.

Do what you want though

The studies are not inconclusive per se. They simply show that thus far no test group has seen an improvement in strength gains or muscle mass from using it over what the control group gained. In other words... they are concluding that until we get some results from studies showing otherwise, we must conclude it doesn't have much effect.

 

[DANABOLIC55]

I think this shows just how powerful supp. advertising really is. Every time I read a mag and see a cool looking ad. w/ one of the pros in it with all of the cool graphics and colors, my dumb meter spikes and I think damn! I gotta try that.
Then, all too quickly I come back down to reality. We are all such visual creatures and they play this to a "T". Todays culture is so roid mis-informed and fearful it's really pitiful. All of this we know already though. I try to pump this site as much as possible and do my part to spread the "good word(s)"

 

[d3track]

BodyBy.....

why should we not wrack our brains trying to get info on these supplements? If you are so big on research you should realize that the search for knowlege has no limits. There is research on most of the ingrediants in the supplements as well as on aas. And yes, I have a college degree, and yes I know my way around a libray, the campus is 1/4 mile from my house.
If we don't do the research, how are we going to find things that work? look at how long it took for creatine to catch on. how long were people eating only liver tablets and whole milk before protien poweders becaome popular?
I say everyone keep doing research, share experiences. Otherwise we will not make progress.
Not trying to flame you, but I am not impressed with your self promotion, trying to tell others that they don't know anything and you have all the answers.
You have some great information, please share it, don't just flame others who are not as comfortable in the library as you.
I would just rather hear positive info from you, not just bashing

peace

 

[DANABOLIC55]

d3...

It is the supps company's job to report and research this stuff truthfully. Not ours. That's why AF's stuff is so good. It's created & researched by REAL slammers before it's released. Not some suit w/ a decent yet un-tested hypothesis. Not flammin you either. Some people react differently to different items & it takes self testing-to a degree. However, i think most here agree that the claims these companies make are ridiculous and have only one motive..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[d3track]

I agree
But why should we not learn about what we are putting into our bodies?
there was a time when all of us did not know much

just dont like the negativity

off the gym

QUAD DAY!

 

[Liftbig]

i agree with bodybyfinaplix. ive been done wasting my time with all the supplement bs. ive tried alot of supplements, and consequently wasted ALOT of money. these are the only supplements that are worth buying imo, becuase they have worked for me...

multivitamin
vitamins in general
bcaas
Creatine- like cell tech(way over priced but i like it, i use a cheaper brand called hyper cell 2, its the same exact thing, just not the high priced labeling bullshit)
more vitamins.
protien powder(although i consider this food)
zma(this is just vitamins really)
flax oils, fish oils, etc

thats it.

if you notice the majority of these are really food products if you think about it. so when looking for supplements anything that is pretty much food is gonna be you best bet. anything else is pretty much a waste of money.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

i agree with bodybyfinaplix. ive been done wasting my time with all the supplement bs. ive tried alot of supplements, and consequently wasted ALOT of money. these are the only supplements that are worth buying imo, becuase they have worked for me...

multivitamin
vitamins in general
bcaas
Creatine- like cell tech(way over priced but i like it, i use a cheaper brand called hyper cell 2, its the same exact thing, just not the high priced labeling bullshit)
more vitamins.
protien powder(although i consider this food)
zma(this is just vitamins really)
flax oils, fish oils, etc

thats it.

if you notice the majority of these are really food products if you think about it. so when looking for supplements anything that is pretty much food is gonna be you best bet. anything else is pretty much a waste of money.

Very well said.

D3t, as liftbig can attest because he has clearly gone through the same thing I have, there is a reason I have little positive to say on this topic. I've wasted alot of time, and money buying and researching suppliments, that when the actual scientific evidence is looked at closely are, for lack a better explination, sugar pills and snake oil. Most of the claims of the suppliemnt industry are so outlandish, and based on nothing more that poorly thought out theories on how they might benefit bodybuilders. The few that do work can usually be obtained cheaper just by eating foods that are rich in them. How can I say anything positive when I see products like myostatin-inhibitors and and new, totally unscientific creatine transport systems come out on the market every day,that are not only useless, but would cost me more money to use that my current steroid stack. Then I come on a forum like this one for the first time and see 18 and 19 year old kids throwing their money away because some company has tricked them into buying these things, and see people proclaiming them as beneficial. My initial post was one of shock, rather than careful though. I had read about 7 or 8 posts on this forum and was in shock that people on a site such as EF were we try to bring a little bit of truth to the world of bodybuilding. My statements concerning suppliments and the companies that manufacture them are negative, becuase my experiences with them have been negative, and logic and science both tell me these corporations are run by con artists, trying to rob young nieve bodybuilders and atheletes of their hard earned $$$.

 

[Synpax]

I'm afraid I have to discount your entire post on this topic because you go right out and say prohormones are a "waste of time." I would wager many people who use these and get no results aren't using them properly - or might just have the genetics that they don't respond to them.

But for me, 500mg of 1-test a day has had substantial gains after two weeks of use. After the first week, what I could do in the gym substantially increased. I could do what I could not do before. I also get a pump much much more easily. The only side effect is a deeper voice.

And of course, everyone else who has had these types of benefits will also discount your opinions not only on this but on other things where you may know exactly what you are talking about.

 

[krayzfresh]

I have yet to try fish oils. I'm not running any suppliments right now except for the occasional ECA stack which is always a way to go. Other than that I have used Creatine Monohydrate which I know to work and protein powder of course. Everything else is whatevers in the fridge and in the pantry and I'm a pretty built MoFu

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I'm afraid I have to discount your entire post on this topic because you go right out and say prohormones are a "waste of time." I would wager many people who use these and get no results aren't using them properly - or might just have the genetics that they don't respond to them.

But for me, 500mg of 1-test a day has had substantial gains after two weeks of use. After the first week, what I could do in the gym substantially increased. I could do what I could not do before. I also get a pump much much more easily. The only side effect is a deeper voice.

And of course, everyone else who has had these types of benefits will also discount your opinions not only on this but on other things where you may know exactly what you are talking about.

I stand by my statement about prohormones. What does 1-test (a legal anabolic steroid in the US) have to do with this arguement? Prohomrones are steroid "precursers" that may or may not be converted into testosterone or an anabolic steroid by the liver, at different rates in different individuals. Bear in mind that the liver will be most reluctant to allow these compounds to convert to levels that will elevated blood serum levels to a supralogical dose. 1-AD is an example of a prohormone that CAN be converted by the liver into the anabolic steroid 1-testosterone.

Since you use 1-test, bear in mind you are using a weak anabolic steroid, thus are a juicer, a steroid user, not a pro-hormone user. Thus your argument is moot, and totally without merit. I will point out that the $$$ cost to gain ratio on 1-test is not at pronounced as that of many popular steroids, nor are the side effects per mg in the bloodstream less than most other steroids, thus I fail to see the major benefit to using it, other than legality, which can often be worked around with legal loopholes for many steroids.