Wow ! kicked in :)

[Greatercow]

yiiiiiiiiihaaaaah i think my test kicked in on starting my 3rd week of test e 250 mg

my bench went up from repping with 215 to now repping 235-245


I LOVE IT I FEEL LIKE A MANIAC IN THE GYM

i have to calm myself on the weights not to hurt myself

 

[lilj888]

good to hear that 250mg is working good for u because alot of ppl are telln me to do 500mg
how often do u inject a week

 

[Greatercow]

i do every 6 days one shot

 

[lilj888]

u just takin test?

 

[Greatercow]

yup its my first cycle test E 250/mg week for 8 or 10 weeks havet decided yet depends on the aromatization ill get

 

[lilj888]

id do 10 weeks just from what i have herd about enanthate to get better results, if it was prop then 8 would be fine

 

[bw1]

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good to hear.

 

[halfcenturian]

Congrats! It's a great feeling huh?

 

[DannoMight]

now you know the POWAAA OF THA DARK SIDE!!!!

 

[badhabit08]

does it usually do that for you guys? kick in then u get a burst of strength i mean.

 

[FIRE FIGHTER614]

yiiiiiiiiihaaaaah i think my test kicked in on starting my 3rd week of test e 250 mg

my bench went up from repping with 215 to now repping 235-245


I LOVE IT I FEEL LIKE A MANIAC IN THE GYM

i have to calm myself on the weights not to hurt myself

HAHAHA COOL ....IM WAITING .......being off cycle sucks

 

[TexasTurkey1001]

yiiiiiiiiihaaaaah i think my test kicked in on starting my 3rd week of test e 250 mg

my bench went up from repping with 215 to now repping 235-245


I LOVE IT I FEEL LIKE A MANIAC IN THE GYM

i have to calm myself on the weights not to hurt myself

Nice! Can you post some stats, age, time lifting ect..!?!?







-

 

[ironcheif1984]

Wow and some people say you cant grow on 250mgs EW. Have you seen any difference in your appearance yet.

 

[swole]

fellas i never go above 300mg of test, ever.

to be honest i feel my sweet spot is 200mg of test with 300mg of primo - i can use this combo for quite some time and still grow depending on my diet and routine

 

[DaveTSI]

fellas i never go above 300mg of test, ever.

pussy











lmao j/k swole

 

[DannoMight]

fellas i never go above 300mg of test, ever.

to be honest i feel my sweet spot is 200mg of test with 300mg of primo - i can use this combo for quite some time and still grow depending on my diet and routine

most don't realize how important those 2 are.

 

[P4D2A022]

a lot of ppl i feel get underdosed gear so they truly dont know how much hormone is in the actual product... keep the cycles simple and get creative with your diet/training program!

 

[JLowe02]

good to hear. i am about to start pinning 250 a week while dieting to preserve muscle, but if its working that good for you on a bulk, i may actually gain some muscle with it. i usually have no trouble gaining a little muscle while losing body fat if im on aas, i just didn't know 250 test was that strong.

 

[ironcheif1984]

a lot of ppl i feel get underdosed gear so they truly dont know how much hormone is in the actual product... keep the cycles simple and get creative with your diet/training program!

Exactly.

 

[ironcheif1984]

fellas i never go above 300mg of test, ever.

to be honest i feel my sweet spot is 200mg of test with 300mg of primo - i can use this combo for quite some time and still grow depending on my diet and routine

See you dont need crazy doses to grow and people are always recommending 500mgs of test alone for a first cycle when you can grow just fine with only 250-350mgs of Test EW the most important is your diet combined with the Test you will grow to new levels on a dose of 250-350mgs EW. I did and as you see so dose Swole

 

[perryscoon]

10 years ago i was recommended 500mg sustanon, 400mg deca, and 50mg of dbol for a first cycle. that was the NORM! Sure, I swelled up like a balloon but I know now that I did not need that much.

I think 30mg of dbol and 500mg of test is plenty for any rec body builder.

I am on a 16 weeker of tren and test right now an I am LOVING life right now. fuck i love tren.

 

[Greatercow]

Nice! Can you post some stats, age, time lifting ect..!?!?

-

i went from 212 to 215 as of now but a i did lose some fat in the progress

im 24 5'9" been lifting on and off for 6 years but i already posted that in some thread i cant seem to find

neways ill be posting pics at the end

now i can see why people tend to up the doses its so addictive and always want more... i just try and relax and enjoy myself i dont think ill ever go higher than 400mg / week even if its not doing anything no more to my body i guess its my body telling me its had enough and ill stop ill try to keep it as safe as possible

ill be integrating a little cardio 3 times a week well see what it does

 

[canadianhitman]

good to hear that 250mg is working good for u because alot of ppl are telln me to do 500mg
how often do u inject a week

Far too many people try a high dose without ever taking the time to find out if they respond well to lower doses. Great gains can be made on 250mg of test per week if you have good receptors.

 

[ASC]

Congrats bro. sounds like you are gonna be a beast! i still didnt do injectables, but im gonna try a dbol cycle first pretty soon.

 

[Latamier]

It is an amazing feeling, isnt it?

 

[Greatercow]

It is an amazing feeling, isnt it?

THE BEST

ant wait til week 6

 

[ALIN]

yiiiiiiiiihaaaaah i think my test kicked in on starting my 3rd week of test e 250 mg

my bench went up from repping with 215 to now repping 235-245


I LOVE IT I FEEL LIKE A MANIAC IN THE GYM

i have to calm myself on the weights not to hurt myself

sounds like its working well.

 

[crxdog]

yiiiiiiiiihaaaaah i think my test kicked in on starting my 3rd week of test e 250 mg

my bench went up from repping with 215 to now repping 235-245


I LOVE IT I FEEL LIKE A MANIAC IN THE GYM

i have to calm myself on the weights not to hurt myself

Hey bro what PCT you got for this cycle? I will be doing the same very shortly

 

[tsuwr927]

Far too many people try a high dose without ever taking the time to find out if they respond well to lower doses. Great gains can be made on 250mg of test per week if you have good receptors.

I agree with this. Some people seem to start off way to high. On the flip side though there are some people who i do believe need higher doses. I am one of these. Started off at 300mg/wk and didn't see much of anything. Bumped it up to 500 and it made a world of difference. My advice, start off low and adjust accordingly.

 

[OMEGA]

Excellent

300-500 is Great for a First Cycle, and AI's generally not need either

 

[Greatercow]

Hey bro what PCT you got for this cycle? I will be doing the same very shortly

ive got PP test recovery stack and an AI in case

 

[lilj888]

Far too many people try a high dose without ever taking the time to find out if they respond well to lower doses. Great gains can be made on 250mg of test per week if you have good receptors.

well would i have good receptors if i gained 23lbs on dbol with only 25mg/day and ive only lost around 5lbs and ive been off for 3 weeks??

 

[Varsearch]

well would i have good receptors if i gained 23lbs on dbol with only 25mg/day and ive only lost around 5lbs and ive been off for 3 weeks??

Did you use anything with it ? or just straight dbol injectable or oral ?
What's your pct after just dbol ? Is that you in your avatar ? Monsterous back

 

[lookinfit75]

now you know the POWAAA OF THA DARK SIDE!!!!

HAHAHA! Good one.

If this is your first cycle, you don't need more than 250 per week and if you are using sus, think about shooting every 10 days. Prop E3D or M-W-F. I used those protocols during my first cycle along with some other goodies and I gained 25 lbs. worth of muscle. The higher doses are for the cats whos' receptors are burning/burnt out.
There's nothing better than that feeling of overall well-being once the juice kicks in. I felt like I was walking on clouds, nothing bothered me or pissed me off. Well nothing except some slow-poke at the gym or someone trying to talk just as I was about to start a set haha.

 

[lookinfit75]

Did you use anything with it ? or just straight dbol injectable or oral ?
What's your pct after just dbol ? Is that you in your avatar ? Monsterous back

If I am not mistaken, that is Dexter Jackson's back.

 

[lilj888]

Did you use anything with it ? or just straight dbol injectable or oral ?
What's your pct after just dbol ? Is that you in your avatar ? Monsterous back

dbol oral only, with nolva as pct been almost 4 weeks off gained 23 lbs lost only 6 and i think alot of the 6lbs was being away from the gym for a week and being on vacation, eating 1 meal a day

 

[crxdog]

ive got PP test recovery stack and an AI in case

Excellent. What is your AI yur using?

 

[Greatercow]

a-dex

 

[HAYEZ]

HAHAHA! Good one.

If this is your first cycle, you don't need more than 250 per week and if you are using sus, think about shooting every 10 days. Prop E3D or M-W-F. I used those protocols during my first cycle along with some other goodies and I gained 25 lbs. worth of muscle. The higher doses are for the cats whos' receptors are burning/burnt out.
There's nothing better than that feeling of overall well-being once the juice kicks in. I felt like I was walking on clouds, nothing bothered me or pissed me off. Well nothing except some slow-poke at the gym or someone trying to talk just as I was about to start a set haha.

Shooting sust once every 10 days? Prop e3d? What are you talking about? tis is not the right information

 

[lookinfit75]

Shooting sust once every 10 days? Prop e3d? What are you talking about? tis is not the right information

When I used that gear, that is the protocol I was told to use and it worked well for me. It was my first cycle and not only did I gain 25 lbs in a 12 week cycle but I lost 42 lbs. Granted there were other compounds involoved (Deca, Bolbanone, Primo, Oxana, Cynomel, Clem, Proviron) but all were used sparingly.

 

[*The_West*]

When I used that gear, that is the protocol I was told to use and it worked well for me. It was my first cycle and not only did I gain 25 lbs in a 12 week cycle but I lost 42 lbs. Granted there were other compounds involoved (Deca, Bolbanone, Primo, Oxana, Cynomel, Clem, Proviron) but all were used sparingly.

it would probably help if you could spell half of these before you used them.
hell, it sounds like you are just reeling off names of compounds to make it sound like you know something.
prop is shot ed or eod due to its short half life. sust can be shot twice a week, but is best suited to heavy dose test cycles where you are shooting it eod to make use of the prop ester in it.

 

[*The_West*]

im not even close to being an experienced user and even i know that.

 

[*The_West*]

It was my first cycle and not only did I gain 25 lbs in a 12 week cycle but I lost 42 lbs

and what on earth do you mean by this? you gained 25 lbs, but lost 42 lbs? so after the cycle you were 17 lbs lighter than when you started? sounds like a great cycle...

 

[lookinfit75]

it would probably help if you could spell half of these before you used them.
hell, it sounds like you are just reeling off names of compounds to make it sound like you know something.
prop is shot ed or eod due to its short half life. sust can be shot twice a week, but is best suited to heavy dose test cycles where you are shooting it eod to make use of the prop ester in it.

What are you upset about, that I mispelled Boldenone? Furthermore, just because that is the protocol that you are accustomed to doesn't mean it's the only one out there. The person that advised me is an experienced BB who is also a friend and I seriously doubt he would do anything to hurt me or misinform me. No need for personal attacks as we are all humans and prone to make mistakes and the last time I checked, this wasn't a spelling forum. But since you want to split hairs, in the english language is gramatically correct to capitalize the first word of every sentence haha.

 

[lookinfit75]

and what on earth do you mean by this? you gained 25 lbs, but lost 42 lbs? so after the cycle you were 17 lbs lighter than when you started? sounds like a great cycle...

I was refeing to BF%. I lost over all weight but gain lean mass weight. What, are you having a bad day or something?

 

[*The_West*]

I was refeing to BF%. I lost over all weight but gain lean mass weight. What, are you having a bad day or something?

no, i just dont like it when i see people advising people on shoddy cycles. if your friend really is an experienced bodybuilder, he would know that injecting sust e10d and prop e3d or m/w/f is not a good idea at all, and likely to cause fluctuations in blood testosterone levels, which a lot of the time are the cause of the onset of undesirable or harmful side effects.

 

[lookinfit75]

no, i just dont like it when i see people advising people on shoddy cycles. if your friend really is an experienced bodybuilder, he would know that injecting sust e10d and prop e3d or m/w/f is not a good idea at all, and likely to cause fluctuations in blood testosterone levels, which a lot of the time are the cause of the onset of undesirable or harmful side effects.

I understand and commend you for what appears to be genuine concern but I'll stick to the advice of pal for the time being. Less is better IMHO.
Here's a little exerpt from Chemical Muscle Enhancement by Author L. Rae, an eBook that I read first before I decided to get into this stuff.

Sustanon-250
Active Life: About 3 weeks
Drug Class: Adrogenic/Anabolic steroid (for Injection)
Average Reported Use: Men 125-2000mg weekly
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: Yes
Liver Toxicity: Low except in high dosages over 1000mg weekly
High Blood Pressure" Yes
DHT Conversion:Yes
Decreases HPTA Function: Significantly after 2 weeks
Aromatization: Yes, somewhat less than test. cyp or enanthate

Sust 250 is a mix of 4 test esters:
Prop. 30mg
Phenylpropionate 60mg
Isocaproate 60mg
Deconoate 100mg

This is a well structured product that acts as a well time-released high anabolic/androgenic testosterone. In fact due to Test. Prop, this product becomes active after a day, but through the series of the other 3 tests., remains active for 3 weeks. Yada yada yada....
The description goes on to say:
Males normally utilzed dosages of 250-1000mg but some used higher dosages. As a rule, excellent results were realized with a dosage of 250-500mg every 7-10 days.

End of quote.

 

[HAYEZ]

I understand and commend you for what appears to be genuine concern but I'll stick to the advice of pal for the time being. Less is better IMHO.
Here's a little exerpt from Chemical Muscle Enhancement by Author L. Rae, an eBook that I read first before I decided to get into this stuff.

Sustanon-250
Active Life: About 3 weeks
Drug Class: Adrogenic/Anabolic steroid (for Injection)
Average Reported Use: Men 125-2000mg weekly
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: Yes
Liver Toxicity: Low except in high dosages over 1000mg weekly
High Blood Pressure" Yes
DHT Conversion:Yes
Decreases HPTA Function: Significantly after 2 weeks
Aromatization: Yes, somewhat less than test. cyp or enanthate

Sust 250 is a mix of 4 test esters:
Prop. 30mg
Phenylpropionate 60mg
Isocaproate 60mg
Deconoate 100mg

This is a well structured product that acts as a well time-released high anabolic/androgenic testosterone. In fact due to Test. Prop, this product becomes active after a day, but through the series of the other 3 tests., remains active for 3 weeks. Yada yada yada....
The description goes on to say:
Males normally utilzed dosages of 250-1000mg but some used higher dosages. As a rule, excellent results were realized with a dosage of 250-500mg every 7-10 days.

End of quote.

Just because a drug stays active for a certain time period doesn't mean you don't need to inject it again. After injections there will be a time where it peaks and then the levels start to lower. The point of timed frequent injections is to keep the levels stable in your body to get the most gains with least amount of side effects. Sus every 10 is not the way to do it. Prop needs eod or ed there's no other way

 

[perryscoon]

When I used that gear, that is the protocol I was told to use and it worked well for me. It was my first cycle and not only did I gain 25 lbs in a 12 week cycle but I lost 42 lbs. Granted there were other compounds involoved (Deca, Bolbanone, Primo, Oxana, Cynomel, Clem, Proviron) but all were used sparingly.

Times have changed my friend. We now understand the drugs much better and no one shoots sust every 10 days. You pretty much have to be an idiot to do such a thing now.

Sust should be shot EoD due to the short ester test-p in it to keep blood levels from bouncing up and down.

More stable blood levels=less sides, better gains, better recovery.

 

[lookinfit75]

Just because a drug stays active for a certain time period doesn't mean you don't need to inject it again. After injections there will be a time where it peaks and then the levels start to lower. The point of timed frequent injections is to keep the levels stable in your body to get the most gains with least amount of side effects. Sus every 10 is not the way to do it. Prop needs eod or ed there's no other way

The three weeks is hilighted to show how long the drug stays active in one's system. Nowhere in any of my posts have I said to inject once every 3 weeks. I can accept Prop EOD but even the book "Anabolics 2007 6th Edition" by William Llewellyn says that 7-10 will produce excellent results.
and I quote:
"Administration in Men:
To treat androgen insufficiency, the prescribing guilines for Sustanon 250 call for a dosage of 250mg every 3 weeks. Although active in the body for a long time, Sustanon 250 is usually injected every 7-10 days for musle-building purposes. This schedule will allow for the higher doses most commonly applied by athletes, and more stable elevations in hormones level. The usual dosage amongst athletes is in the range of 250-750mg per injection, taken in 6-12 week cycles in length. This level is sufficient for most users to notice exceptional gains in muscle size and strength.
End quote.
That's 2 respected publications plus the anectodal advice from my bros. There isn't much more I can say about this subject as I have exhausted my resources which have in no way contradicted my initial statement. Rather they have proven my intial assertion so if you want to continue refuting what I have said that is fine but I am done trying to prove myself.
Take care bros and happy debating.

 

[perryscoon]

The three weeks is hilighted to show how long the drug stays active in one's system. Nowhere in any of my posts have I said to inject once every 3 weeks. I can accept Prop EOD but even the book "Anabolics 2007 6th Edition" by William Llewellyn says that 7-10 will produce excellent results.
and I quote:
"Administration in Men:
To treat androgen insufficiency, the prescribing guilines for Sustanon 250 call for a dosage of 250mg every 3 weeks. Although active in the body for a long time, Sustanon 250 is usually injected every 7-10 days for musle-building purposes. This schedule will allow for the higher doses most commonly applied by athletes, and more stable elevations in hormones level. The usual dosage amongst athletes is in the range of 250-750mg per injection, taken in 6-12 week cycles in length. This level is sufficient for most users to notice exceptional gains in muscle size and strength.
End quote.
That's 2 respected publications plus the anectodal advice from my bros. There isn't much more I can say about this subject as I have exhausted my resources which have in no way contradicted my initial statement. Rather they have proven my intial assertion so if you want to continue refuting what I have said that is fine but I am done trying to prove myself.
Take care bros and happy debating.

Sure, you will see results pinning sust every 10 days, it doesn't mean thats the way you should do it. Hell if seeing a "result" is all you are talking about you could prob take 8 dbol once a week on fridays and see "results".

We're talking about maximizing results and seeing less sides. The BEST way to take full advantage of the drug is EoD.

 

[HAYEZ]

I give up..do as you please

 

[Greatercow]

my thread was about the safe and low dose use of AAS and the results i got now guys keep it positive

 

[whitemahon]

You guys may have missed that there is only 30mg of prop in Sustanon. 220mg of longer acting test esters. The whole point of Sustanon is to take effect quickly & keep your blood levels stable for the longest possible period. It's a "stack" in one drug. Using it just as you would prop is not beneficial & pinning more than 2x per week is unnecessary. By the time the prop is metabolized, the phenylprop hits, followed by the iso & deconate. Save your ass some irritation & some pinz along the way.

 

[alexl2]

You guys may have missed that there is only 30mg of prop in Sustanon. 220mg of longer acting test esters. The whole point of Sustanon is to take effect quickly & keep your blood levels stable for the longest possible period. It's a "stack" in one drug. Using it just as you would prop is not beneficial & pinning more than 2x per week is unnecessary. By the time the prop is metabolized, the phenylprop hits, followed by the iso & deconate. Save your ass some irritation & some pinz along the way.

+1

 

[Varsearch]

You guys may have missed that there is only 30mg of prop in Sustanon. 220mg of longer acting test esters. The whole point of Sustanon is to take effect quickly & keep your blood levels stable for the longest possible period. It's a "stack" in one drug. Using it just as you would prop is not beneficial & pinning more than 2x per week is unnecessary. By the time the prop is metabolized, the phenylprop hits, followed by the iso & deconate. Save your ass some irritation & some pinz along the way.

That makes perfect sense, obviously coming from someone who knows Sustanon, nicely put, my mentor loves Sustanon and uses it a little more agressively 750mg split Mon-Thurs-Sun- and continues this first 3 weeks to load up,been using this for sometime, then for him 500mg every seven days for the next 9 weeks, he just won a bench competition ending at 390 for 3 reps he's a little monster it looks easier if you have short arms he's 5'9" 185lb not too shabby for a little guy.

 

[GdupM6]

Im about to start my Test Enanthate cycle soon. Im being advised to do 500mg EW for 10 weeks. What do you recommend?

24 years old
170lbs
bf% between 13 to 15 %
Training is consistent.

 

[cobracock1979]

good first cycle - whats your height?

 

[boyer]

You guys may have missed that there is only 30mg of prop in Sustanon. 220mg of longer acting test esters. The whole point of Sustanon is to take effect quickly & keep your blood levels stable for the longest possible period. It's a "stack" in one drug. Using it just as you would prop is not beneficial & pinning more than 2x per week is unnecessary. By the time the prop is metabolized, the phenylprop hits, followed by the iso & deconate. Save your ass some irritation & some pinz along the way.

Great Post!

 

[HAYEZ]

You guys may have missed that there is only 30mg of prop in Sustanon. 220mg of longer acting test esters. The whole point of Sustanon is to take effect quickly & keep your blood levels stable for the longest possible period. It's a "stack" in one drug. Using it just as you would prop is not beneficial & pinning more than 2x per week is unnecessary. By the time the prop is metabolized, the phenylprop hits, followed by the iso & deconate. Save your ass some irritation & some pinz along the way.

I still would shoot the sust eod..why take a mixture of tests if you are not useing each to there max potential? If you only want to pin twice a week use cyp or enan...me i like to have everything timed correclty and consistent keeping blood levels as stable as possible...pins are pocket change

 

[GdupM6]

good first cycle - whats your height?

Height is at 5'7.

 

[whitemahon]

I still would shoot the sust eod..why take a mixture of tests if you are not useing each to there max potential? If you only want to pin twice a week use cyp or enan...me i like to have everything timed correclty and consistent keeping blood levels as stable as possible...pins are pocket change

Sustanon keeps your blood levels more stable than any other testosterone. I wish I could draw you a line graph to show you the difference in test levels with sustanon vs. enanthate or cyp. The compound has a cascading effect and is specifically designed to use each ester to its maximum potential. Blood levels will take longer to reach peak serum levels & actually be less stable if you shoot it at a lower dose eod.

 

[shoestring2]

You guys may have missed that there is only 30mg of prop in Sustanon. 220mg of longer acting test esters. The whole point of Sustanon is to take effect quickly & keep your blood levels stable for the longest possible period. It's a "stack" in one drug. Using it just as you would prop is not beneficial & pinning more than 2x per week is unnecessary. By the time the prop is metabolized, the phenylprop hits, followed by the iso & deconate. Save your ass some irritation & some pinz along the way.

I tend to agree with this.

 

[alexl2]

I might be wrong on this, but i read somewhere the whole reason sustanon was invented was to allow fewer injections for HRT due to the time-release effect.

 

[boychimalochi]

Sustanon keeps your blood levels more stable than any other testosterone. I wish I could draw you a line graph to show you the difference in test levels with sustanon vs. enanthate or cyp. The compound has a cascading effect and is specifically designed to use each ester to its maximum potential. Blood levels will take longer to reach peak serum levels & actually be less stable if you shoot it at a lower dose eod.

This is correct. The different esters kick in at different times to keep your levels stable. You even get a 7 ester 300mg/ml test.